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Is Patrick Cripps no 1 player over Clayton Oliver? According to Robbo in his top 50, Cripps is No 1 L Neale no 2 and Clayton Oliver no 3.

Cripps should never ever have won the Brownlow, and he was third in Contested Ball and Clearances. Clarry was NO 1 IN CONTESTED BALL, AND NO 1 IN CLEARANCES. To me then this should have read, 1 Clayton Oliver, 2 Neale and 3 Cripps.

Oliver is head and shoulders the better of the 3 IMO

 

c'mon mr. fence, stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really believe 😲

I like robbo, he's passionate about the game and clearly loves football.

But twice a year he releases his top 50 and reminds us that he's a dumb [censored]

 

Both excellent players but I’d have Clarry because he’s so durable. Cripps career will go the same way as fyfe I reckon 


The Robbos of that universe see the metallic paint bonnet above the engine steel:

Goals - Cripps 20, Neale 11, Oliver 5

Marks inside 50 - Cripps 16, Neale 7, Oliver 1

I think Cripps is very similar to Hawkins at Geelong - in that he plays for a side whose supporters make him seem much more unlikeable than he is.

I think Oliver is a better player, but I’m bias because I’ve seen Clayton do things for us that I’ve never seen another Melbourne player do. 

 

I've got no issue with Cripps being rated ahead of Oliver this year, because I think Oliver was below his best in the weeks after being maimed by Selwood. Nobody in their right mind could possibly rank Oliver below Neale though.

The coaches have voted Oliver the best player in the league the past two years running. No other player has achieved that feat since Gary Ablett Jnr in the late 2000s. Cripps has never won this award. 

The coaches are more knowledgeable about the game than any media personality or umpire. They know what roles a player has been asked to perform and the true value of their effort, output and impact on the game. I trust their view above all others.

Oliver is the best player in the league. It's scary he's somehow still got more improvement in his game. If he adds consistent goal scoring to his repertoire, he could reach the Ablett Jnr, Dusty, Judd levels and be considered one of the best players in the AFL this century. Cripps may have (wrongly) won the Brownlow medal, but he is an inferior player in basically every facet. He's also far less durable. 


The word 'bias' according to the Cambodge English Dictionary means: "the action of supporting or opposing a particular person or thing in an unfair way, because of allowing personal opinions to influence your judgment."

A person who holds or forwards such an opinion is 'biased'. This is not about Clarry - he is the greatest footballer to have ever graced a field in a billion years - it's about this creeping use of people saying that they are or may be 'bias'. 

@Demonstone: you've been slacking off on policing this one. 

 

He kicks more goals as well but leadership is the most important attribute Cripps has over Oliver.

Head to head I’m taking Clarry of course but there’s an argument that Cripps has the weight of an entire club on his shoulders and should be factored in to his ranking.

As Clarry continues to mature he’ll get better in that aspect and the Brownlow votes will flow and anyone questioning his ranking will be silenced. 

5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

As Clarry continues to mature he’ll get better in that aspect and the Brownlow votes will flow and anyone questioning his ranking will be silenced. 

Chilling. But I'm all for it. 

Clarry: 'The Silence'

And now another perspective

 

 

 


13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He kicks more goals as well but leadership is the most important attribute Cripps has over Oliver.

Head to head I’m taking Clarry of course but there’s an argument that Cripps has the weight of an entire club on his shoulders and should be factored in to his ranking.

As Clarry continues to mature he’ll get better in that aspect and the Brownlow votes will flow and anyone questioning his ranking will be silenced. 

I actually don’t think Cripps is a great leader. He can lead through action, but he doesn’t appear a good organizer or motivator on field like a Luke Hodge for example. More that for a long time he was the only good player in a [censored] team, so carried a burden beyond him, similar to Nathan Jones.

Choo-choo should have always been Neo:. You need a pause button to appreciate his ninja brilliance. 

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53 minutes ago, poita said:

I've got no issue with Cripps being rated ahead of Oliver this year, because I think Oliver was below his best in the weeks after being maimed by Selwood. Nobody in their right mind could possibly rank Oliver below Neale though.

After watching most of the Brisbane games this year, would have to disagree....And i love Oliver as a player!

Neale literally carried his team most of the season, had some phenomenal games and much more damaging with ball in hand.

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27 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Clarry: 'The Silence'

Clarry with a Silencer??? Sounds like a Cannon with a Supression device!! Still causes all maner of destruction however!! On the footy field this = Total Destruction and Annilhilation!  🤩

CHOO CHOO SILENCER...??? LIKE THE SOUND OF THAT!!!😃

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24 minutes ago, roy11 said:

And now another perspective

 

 

 

Well yes @roy11, but to put it into perspective your reposting a tweet from a man who puts the Derrr in Dwayne.


51 weeks a year people treat Robbo like the guy who runs the ferris wheel at a local fair, then his top players list come out and there's genuine surprise that he's got NFI.

It has always seemed to me that Clarrie gets marked harder than his peers. It's almost like pundits will jump on the first hint of a reason to mark him down, as if they want to mark him down. However, a third spot in 2022 is not the end of the world.  

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

The coaches have voted Oliver the best player in the league the past two years running. No other player has achieved that feat since Gary Ablett Jnr in the late 2000s. Cripps has never won this award. 

The coaches are more knowledgeable about the game than any media personality or umpire. They know what roles a player has been asked to perform and the true value of their effort, output and impact on the game. I trust their view above all others.

Oliver is the best player in the league. It's scary he's somehow still got more improvement in his game. If he adds consistent goal scoring to his repertoire, he could reach the Ablett Jnr, Dusty, Judd levels and be considered one of the best players in the AFL this century. Cripps may have (wrongly) won the Brownlow medal, but he is an inferior player in basically every facet. He's also far less durable. 

Word. 

 
5 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

It has always seemed to me that Clarrie gets marked harder than his peers. It's almost like pundits will jump on the first hint of a reason to mark him down, as if they want to mark him down. However, a third spot in 2022 is not the end of the world.  

Life having red hair. 

Calling @WERRIDEECan you give us a best 22 of red-heads? 


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