Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)

[rjay 23,895]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

The confidential report (unvetted and unproven) was leaked to the ABC . During Grand Final week no less for maximum impact.

On another matter the Reports author is accused of fraudulently obtaining hundreds of thousands of dollars from Murray Valley Aboriginal Cooperative

 

It wasn't leaked to the ABC...

The journalist, Russell Jackson carried out his own investigation and spoke separately with families involved.

He was not reporting on the confidential report.

[McQueen 17,863]

41 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Surely there is no happy ending for anyone in this

My point is to simply call out some of the reactions made early on, which were quite obviously a pile on in the absence of objective facts that have never materialised

Mate it was of a sensational nature with regards to indigenous players and partners. The article painted a very bleak picture and people reacted accordingly.
End of story. 

[rjay 23,895]

1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

I don't know that this latest development proves anything one way or the other apart from the AFL being very keen on sweeping potentially embarrassing matters under the rug and protecting their brand.

Suspect we haven't heard the last of this and there is still more to be played out.

 

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

The only people exonerated right now is Gil and the salesman he got his carpet from. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

Wow

 

Just wow

 

Talk about rush to judgement 

[daisycutter 28,494]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

It wasn't leaked to the ABC...

The journalist, Russell Jackson carried out his own investigation and spoke separately with families involved.

He was not reporting on the confidential report.

egg/chicken  horse/cart

you just don't know rjay, so you'd be best served keeping your opinions to yourself

[rjay 23,895]

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Edited May 30, 2023 by rjay

[McQueen 17,863]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Wow

 

Just wow

 

Talk about rush to judgement 

……….without conclusion. 🤪

[layzie 28,718]

11 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

What % do you think is true?

5/7.

It was a pretty big news story to come out of thin air though and a bigger kerfuffle of an investigation by the AFL. 

[Kent 2,581]

11 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

What % do you think is true?

somewhere between 0 and 100 would be my guess

[DubDee 20,572]

why don’t they do an AFL and say Hawks are not guilty but fine them a million dollars. that’ll clear it up beautifully 

the AFL are an absolute embarrassment. was bad enough with the tanking debacle but this is an issue that affects peoples lives! either do something positive or STFU

[Cranky Franky 1,486]

Sadly whenever the word "racism" is involved then fairness & common sense go out the window & the lynch mob turns up and there are many here on Demonland always ready with pitchforks & torches.

[DubDee 20,572]

11 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Surely there is no happy ending for anyone in this

My point is to simply call out some of the reactions made early on, which were quite obviously a pile on in the absence of objective facts that have never materialised

what do think has changed in the past 24 hours? do you think the allegations are less or more true because the AFL closed the investigation?

i’ll give you the answer - nothing has changed. in people homes around australia people are speculating if this is true and wondering if Clarko did this etc. this forum is just a reflection if this. so maybe get off your high horse

[sue 8,424]

Gil's announcement contained many 'odd' sentences, so carefully worded that you wondered what they were hiding. Reminded me of Yes Minister.

[sue 8,424]

6 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Sadly whenever the word "racism" is involved then fairness & common sense go out the window & the lynch mob turns up and there are many here on Demonland always ready with pitchforks & torches.

Doesn't mean that there is a lot of fix.  People who have personally never been subjected to racism generally underplay it's significance.   Those who have been on the pointy end of racism know where the real lynch mobs are.

[old55 21,288]

11 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Sadly whenever the word "racism" is involved then fairness & common sense go out the window & the lynch mob turns up and there are many here on Demonland always ready with pitchforks & torches.

Ironic metaphor

[old55 21,288]

I'm very keen to hear how the AFL could have handled this differently. The Hawthorn Football Club handed them a grenade with the pin out.

[DubDee 20,572]

1 minute ago, old55 said:

I'm very keen to hear how the AFL could have handled this differently. The Hawthorn Football Club handed them a grenade with the pin out.

not wait for 8 months for Clarko to almost have a breakdown and then say ‘nothing to see here’ the next week

Agree the Hawks are primarily in the wrong but this sat in the AFL’s too hard basket while good people suffered

[layzie 28,718]

11 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

This. 
The only people exonerated right now is Gil and the salesman he got his carpet from. 

Nobody has been proven guilty or otherwise, but by pulling the classic “nothing to see here” move, all the AFL has once again done is left mud everywhere.

Clarkson, Fagan and the HFC will have this mark against their name for a long time regardless of whether it’s deserved or not, and those who made the allegations get no real resolution either. And in the end we’ve made no progress on indigenous relations.

But hey, WE SAVED THE BRAND

 

Not a bad carpet salesman himself ole Gil. 

[old55 21,288]

44 minutes ago, DubDee said:

not wait for 8 months for Clarko to almost have a breakdown and then say ‘nothing to see here’ the next week

Agree the Hawks are primarily in the wrong but this sat in the AFL’s too hard basket while good people suffered

You haven't proposed what the AFL could have done differently.

[Cranky Franky 1,486]

48 minutes ago, sue said:

Doesn't mean that there is a lot of fix.  People who have personally never been subjected to racism generally underplay it's significance.   Those who have been on the pointy end of racism know where the real lynch mobs are.

Tell me about it. As a migrant I copped it in the neighbourhood as well as at school. The ones who copped it worse were English migrants aka poms.

Back then when we copped abuse we gave it back in return.

[Redleg 37,567]

Wonder how long until Clarko returns.

[beelzebub 22,225]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Wonder how long until Clarko returns.

How long before the defamation suits.....

[DubDee 20,572]

24 minutes ago, old55 said:

You haven't proposed what the AFL could have done differently.

taken action on this debacle 7 1/2 months ago and at least tried to save the reputation of an AFL legend. or pub locally back Clarko etc and take some action action the hawks so they can be accountable for their own [censored]

[D4Life 2,299]

Reeks of playing politics!

Wonder who was the Hawk president at the time?

[jnrmac 18,953]

12 hours ago, rjay said:

It wasn't leaked to the ABC...

The journalist, Russell Jackson carried out his own investigation and spoke separately with families involved.

He was not reporting on the confidential report.

Yep He was just stumbling along in his day job and happened randomly upon this story.