Daisy on Indigenous round and the minute's silence for the Queen

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The AFLW attracted controversy last weekend when it ditched plans for a minute's silence to remember the Queen because of Indigenous round.

Here's an articulate, intelligent and passionate explanation of why it matters from Daisy Pearce. 

For all those people who say Indigenous round is just a tokenistic, virtue-signalling concept, here's proof from our skipper that there's real substance behind the sentiment and a willingness to stand up for principles when it matters most. 

You might disagree with her stance, but there's no denying that she's taken the time to consider her position and has thought about these issues at length. If that's not the purpose of Indigenous round, then what is?

 

[Fritta The Hair G.O.A.T. 510]

Daisy is so well spoken, what a legend. Succinctly and eloquently put while not stepping on the toes of the Queen's legacy - so glad she's a Demon 

[sue 8,479]

Very impressive.  How can such an intelligent person sit next to BT without feeling ill is beyond me.

[roy11 3,042]

Love Dais, will be a very sad day seeing her in a Cats polo

[Jibroni 4,252]

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Jibroni

[Bitter but optimistic 21,560]

3 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

I agree. It sounded shallow and scripted. I'm no royalist btw but for mine , Daisy has lost some credibility.

[Ugottobekidding 915]

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. They are still white people who thin they speak for indigenous people because they think they are superior.

[Mickey 4,219]

Good on Dais. This stance will always get blow back from some, and they're entitled to their opinion. But the fact the AFLW prioritised Indigenous round, and the position of the Indigenous people involved, doesn't concern me at all.

The Queen has received due respect from an enormous majority of the population and society as a whole. This one act, to prioritise an Indigenous position during Indigenous round, doesn't diminish that for mine.

And before people say 'it's white people speaking for Indigenous people', don't forget this started because the person doing the welcome to country was not comfortable doing it with the minute's silence. And if First Nation's people say this is a legitimate issue for them, then it's not up to us to tell them it's not.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Fantastic from Daisy. Has clearly had lots of education around this and taken it in, something I would guess many who are quick to oppose her thoughts have not had.

It's not like she encouraged people to be negative about the Queen, she in fact praised her life of service, but merely talked about the timing of it being during Indigenous round and the context of all that means for the people that round is specifically for trying grow our understanding about.

I do find it pretty hilarious the usual suspects are somehow combining 'We need to move on from history' with 'We should celebrate history' while maintaining a straight face...

Edited September 16, 2022 by Lord Nev

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51 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I agree. It sounded shallow and scripted. I'm no royalist btw but for mine , Daisy has lost some credibility.

I think the only one losing credibility here is you and your comments are at best disingenuous. To suggest her comments were shallow more highlights your own shallowness than anything. If you think it sounded scripted then I think you need to listen again and pick up the feeling with which it was said. I thought it was clear that she had pondered at length the reasoning behind the decision and come to the conclusion that the decision that was made was completely understandable. She then expressed that understanding in a forthright and articulate manner. You could do well to ask the maid what she thinks of Daisy and her comments, you might find it instructive, even beneficial. Then again I could be completely wrong (about the maid bit, not about Daisy).

Of course all the above could be disregarded if BBO is simply stirring the pot, which is a distinct possibility. In which case; I will dismount my stead and scurry back into my holier than thou cave.

Edited September 16, 2022 by dworship

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3 minutes ago, dworship said:

I think the only one losing credibility here is you and your comments are at best disingenuous. To suggest her comments were shallow more highlights your own shallowness than anything. If you think it sounded scripted then I think you need to listen again and pick up the feeling with which it was said. I thought it was clear that she had pondered at length the reasoning behind the decision and come to the conclusion that the decision that was made was completely understandable. She then expressed that understanding in a forthright and articulate manner. You could do well to ask the maid what she thinks of Daisy and her comments, you might find it instructive, even beneficial. Then again I could be completely wrong (about the maid bit, not about Daisy).

I stated my view dworship - I'll leave it at that.

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2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I stated my view dworship - I'll leave it at that.

Interesting, I had edited my post but you got in before you read it, your reply does answer my edit however. I'll leave it at that.

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22 minutes ago, dworship said:

Interesting, I had edited my post but you got in before you read it, your reply does answer my edit however. I'll leave it at that.

Its called having an opinion and a valid one. If you disagree that's your call but the AFLW acted with no class and Daisy tried to justify it.

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4 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Its called having an opinion and a valid one. If you disagree that's your call but the AFLW acted with no class and Daisy tried to justify it.

If you read what I wrote and actually understood it, I believe Daisy has pondered the decision that was made and could understand and empathise with it. Just a hypothetical question but do you think Queen Elizabeth II really cares?

You have obviously determined I don't have valid opinion, so jog on sunshine.

[BDA 20,679]

Uncle Colin didn't acknowledge the Queen's passing last Friday after his welcome to country. No one else seemed to notice (or didn't comment anyways) but i did. And why would he. The Crown means oppression and colonisation. Dispossession. I'm an Irish republican so I get it. We had 800 years of it.

At the same time i acknowledge the significance of the Crown as an institution and what it means to British people and monarchists. I don't want to disrespect that. Tradition is important in every culture.

There are 2 points of view. both equally valid. I think we should respect each others position. And leave it at that.

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1 hour ago, dworship said:

If you read what I wrote and actually understood it, I believe Daisy has pondered the decision that was made and could understand and empathise with it. Just a hypothetical question but do you think Queen Elizabeth II really cares?

You have obviously determined I don't have valid opinion, so jog on sunshine.

I think she's beyond caring dworship !

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2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. They are still white people who thin they speak for indigenous people because they think they are superior.

Would be hard to fit in more sweeping statements and predictable stereotypes in as few words as these. Well done!

[bush demon 1,915]

Anyway, the monarchists on here have now got the KC111 version to enjoy at their leisure. 

[Little Goffy 12,794]

Let's just all agree that it is remarkable that Daisy expressed a considered and thoughtful opinion on the matter. Puts her in a very small bracket!

The monarchy is an ethnic symbol par excellence. Elizabeth II was the Notre Dame (see what I did there?) of Britishness, the Parthenon of Englishness.

I can accept that it is a sensitive moment for anyone whose identity is wrapped up in what is a pretty incredible and complex ethnic history and legacy. Exploitation and resistance, empire and liberation, privilege and working class pride, stuffy conservatism and unprecedented social diversity all in a single tradition. Some of the 'hot-takes' denigrating Britishness via the Queen have been plain idiotic and, frankly, racist.

BUT

I think it is a fairly straightforward thing to understand that for most indigenous Australian's, there's no real way to spin the idea that during 'Indigenous round' you can insert a ritual of devotion and deference to someone who, symbolically, we must all swear loyalty to for no reason other than her supposedly superior bloodline.

And it's not as if there is a shortage of such ritual obeisance going on.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Fantastic from Daisy. Has clearly had lots of education around this and taken it in, something I would guess many who are quick to oppose her thoughts have not had.

It's not like she encouraged people to be negative about the Queen, she in fact praised her life of service, but merely talked about the timing of it being during Indigenous round and the context of all that means for the people that round is specifically for trying grow our understanding about.

I do find it pretty hilarious the usual suspects are somehow combining 'We need to move on from history' with 'We should celebrate history' while maintaining a straight face...

Agree. She showed guts and gumption. In short supply in my opinion,  in a  country too timid to have its own head of state. It is quite pathetic.

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16 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

[praha 10,372]

What disappointed me was that Sir Douglas Nicholls was knighted by the Queen for his contributions to the Indigenous community, and he spoke very fondly of her. It was a mistake and oversight by the AFLW and Daisy has fallen for a pretty shallow movement from within a dense progressive movement. This takes us a step back imo.

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15 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

So there can never been reconciliation? Even with Australia? Australia as a country as a genocidal history. Suggesting there can't be recognition of the most progressive thinking Queen ever, and someone who actually recognised contributions to improving the lives of Indigenous, suggests this movement has no interest in actual reconciliation. It's on a pathway to nowhere.

[Jibroni 4,252]

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

History happened and you can't change it, yes we can learn from but part of this is showing respect for others. Sadly this is not the way of going about it.

 

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13 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. 

I just typed the wittiest one liner (which is why this has been edited), but the word idiots without the ‘s’ is somehow censored on this forum (not a joke), and i’m such an ideological purist that I thought it better to tell that story than to adjust my joke.

Edited September 16, 2022 by The heart beats true