Jump to content

Daisy on Indigenous round and the minute's silence for the Queen


Grapeviney

Recommended Posts

The AFLW attracted controversy last weekend when it ditched plans for a minute's silence to remember the Queen because of Indigenous round.

Here's an articulate, intelligent and passionate explanation of why it matters from Daisy Pearce. 

For all those people who say Indigenous round is just a tokenistic, virtue-signalling concept, here's proof from our skipper that there's real substance behind the sentiment and a willingness to stand up for principles when it matters most. 

You might disagree with her stance, but there's no denying that she's taken the time to consider her position and has thought about these issues at length. If that's not the purpose of Indigenous round, then what is?

 

  • Like 13
  • Thanks 3
  • Love 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

Edited by Jibroni
  • Like 16
  • Love 1
  • Facepalm 7
  • Sad 2
  • Angry 2
  • Vomit 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

I agree. It sounded shallow and scripted. I'm no royalist btw but for mine , Daisy has lost some credibility.

  • Like 8
  • Haha 1
  • Facepalm 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good on Dais. This stance will always get blow back from some, and they're entitled to their opinion. But the fact the AFLW prioritised Indigenous round, and the position of the Indigenous people involved, doesn't concern me at all.

The Queen has received due respect from an enormous majority of the population and society as a whole. This one act, to prioritise an Indigenous position during Indigenous round, doesn't diminish that for mine.

And before people say 'it's white people speaking for Indigenous people', don't forget this started because the person doing the welcome to country was not comfortable doing it with the minute's silence. And if First Nation's people say this is a legitimate issue for them, then it's not up to us to tell them it's not.

  • Like 18
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Fantastic from Daisy. Has clearly had lots of education around this and taken it in, something I would guess many who are quick to oppose her thoughts have not had.

It's not like she encouraged people to be negative about the Queen, she in fact praised her life of service, but merely talked about the timing of it being during Indigenous round and the context of all that means for the people that round is specifically for trying grow our understanding about.

I do find it pretty hilarious the usual suspects are somehow combining 'We need to move on from history' with 'We should celebrate history' while maintaining a straight face...

Edited by Lord Nev
  • Like 11
  • Love 1
  • Vomit 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I agree. It sounded shallow and scripted. I'm no royalist btw but for mine , Daisy has lost some credibility.

I think the only one losing credibility here is you and your comments are at best disingenuous. To suggest her comments were shallow more highlights your own shallowness than anything. If you think it sounded scripted then I think you need to listen again and pick up the feeling with which it was said. I thought it was clear that she had pondered at length the reasoning behind the decision and come to the conclusion that the decision that was made was completely understandable. She then expressed that understanding in a forthright and articulate manner. You could do well to ask the maid what she thinks of Daisy and her comments, you might find it instructive, even beneficial. Then again I could be completely wrong (about the maid bit, not about Daisy).

Of course all the above could be disregarded if BBO is simply stirring the pot, which is a distinct possibility. In which case; I will dismount my stead and scurry back into my holier than thou cave.

Edited by dworship
  • Like 4
  • Love 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, dworship said:

I think the only one losing credibility here is you and your comments are at best disingenuous. To suggest her comments were shallow more highlights your own shallowness than anything. If you think it sounded scripted then I think you need to listen again and pick up the feeling with which it was said. I thought it was clear that she had pondered at length the reasoning behind the decision and come to the conclusion that the decision that was made was completely understandable. She then expressed that understanding in a forthright and articulate manner. You could do well to ask the maid what she thinks of Daisy and her comments, you might find it instructive, even beneficial. Then again I could be completely wrong (about the maid bit, not about Daisy).

I stated my view dworship - I'll leave it at that.

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I stated my view dworship - I'll leave it at that.

Interesting, I had edited my post but you got in before you read it, your reply does answer my edit however. I'll leave it at that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, dworship said:

Interesting, I had edited my post but you got in before you read it, your reply does answer my edit however. I'll leave it at that.

Its called having an opinion and a valid one. If you disagree that's your call but the AFLW acted with no class and Daisy tried to justify it.

  • Like 6
  • Facepalm 3
  • Shocked 1
  • Sad 1
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Its called having an opinion and a valid one. If you disagree that's your call but the AFLW acted with no class and Daisy tried to justify it.

If you read what I wrote and actually understood it, I believe Daisy has pondered the decision that was made and could understand and empathise with it. Just a hypothetical question but do you think Queen Elizabeth II really cares?

You have obviously determined I don't have valid opinion, so jog on sunshine.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Uncle Colin didn't acknowledge the Queen's passing last Friday after his welcome to country. No one else seemed to notice (or didn't comment anyways) but i did. And why would he. The Crown means oppression and colonisation. Dispossession. I'm an Irish republican so I get it. We had 800 years of it.

At the same time i acknowledge the significance of the Crown as an institution and what it means to British people and monarchists. I don't want to disrespect that. Tradition is important in every culture.

There are 2 points of view. both equally valid. I think we should respect each others position. And leave it at that.

  • Like 7
  • Thanks 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, dworship said:

If you read what I wrote and actually understood it, I believe Daisy has pondered the decision that was made and could understand and empathise with it. Just a hypothetical question but do you think Queen Elizabeth II really cares?

You have obviously determined I don't have valid opinion, so jog on sunshine.

I think she's beyond caring dworship !

  • Haha 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. They are still white people who thin they speak for indigenous people because they think they are superior.

Would be hard to fit in more sweeping statements and predictable stereotypes in as few words as these. Well done!

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Let's just all agree that it is remarkable that Daisy expressed a considered and thoughtful opinion on the matter. Puts her in a very small bracket!

The monarchy is an ethnic symbol par excellence. Elizabeth II was the Notre Dame (see what I did there?) of Britishness, the Parthenon of Englishness.

I can accept that it is a sensitive moment for anyone whose identity is wrapped up in what is a pretty incredible and complex ethnic history and legacy. Exploitation and resistance, empire and liberation, privilege and working class pride, stuffy conservatism and unprecedented social diversity all in a single tradition. Some of the 'hot-takes' denigrating Britishness via the Queen have been plain idiotic and, frankly, racist.

BUT

I think it is a fairly straightforward thing to understand that for most indigenous Australian's, there's no real way to spin the idea that during 'Indigenous round' you can insert a ritual of devotion and deference to someone who, symbolically, we must all swear loyalty to for no reason other than her supposedly superior bloodline.

And it's not as if there is a shortage of such ritual obeisance going on.

 

 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Fantastic from Daisy. Has clearly had lots of education around this and taken it in, something I would guess many who are quick to oppose her thoughts have not had.

It's not like she encouraged people to be negative about the Queen, she in fact praised her life of service, but merely talked about the timing of it being during Indigenous round and the context of all that means for the people that round is specifically for trying grow our understanding about.

I do find it pretty hilarious the usual suspects are somehow combining 'We need to move on from history' with 'We should celebrate history' while maintaining a straight face...

Agree. She showed guts and gumption. In short supply in my opinion,  in a  country too timid to have its own head of state. It is quite pathetic.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, Jibroni said:

Im disappointed in Daisy, I thought she would understand the significance of the Queens passing for which AFLW failed to do this.

We stand and listen to Welcome to Country when we are meant to be one country. We are not responsible for the past and cant undo history, all we can do is continue to try and undo these.

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What disappointed me was that Sir Douglas Nicholls was knighted by the Queen for his contributions to the Indigenous community, and he spoke very fondly of her. It was a mistake and oversight by the AFLW and Daisy has fallen for a pretty shallow movement from within a dense progressive movement. This takes us a step back imo.

  • Like 8
  • Thanks 1
  • Facepalm 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

So there can never been reconciliation? Even with Australia? Australia as a country as a genocidal history. Suggesting there can't be recognition of the most progressive thinking Queen ever, and someone who actually recognised contributions to improving the lives of Indigenous, suggests this movement has no interest in actual reconciliation. It's on a pathway to nowhere.

  • Facepalm 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m disappointed in this , I thought you would understand the significance of the monarchy in our colonial history ..and the genocide of our indiginous. 

We stand and listen to welcome to country to recognise we are one country. Ironically we give a minutes silence to the monarch of another country. We are responsible for our past , our willingness to understand what that is demonstrates that. 

History happened and you can't change it, yes we can learn from but part of this is showing respect for others. Sadly this is not the way of going about it.

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

The board is full of lefty idiots more interested in their own virtue signalling. 

I just typed the wittiest one liner (which is why this has been edited), but the word idiots without the ‘s’ is somehow censored on this forum (not a joke), and i’m such an ideological purist that I thought it better to tell that story than to adjust my joke.

Edited by The heart beats true
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    REDEEM by Meggs

    How will Mick Stinear and his dwindling list of fit and available Demons respond to last week’s 65-point capitulation to the Bombers, the team’s biggest loss in history?   As a minimum he will expect genuine effort from all of his players when Melbourne takes on the GWS Giants at Ikon Park this Thursday.  Happily, the ground remains a favourite Melbourne venue of players and spectators alike and will provide an opportunity for the Demons to redeem themselves. Injuries to star play

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    EASYBEATS by Meggs

    A beautiful sunny Friday afternoon, with a light breeze and a strong Windy Hill crowd set the scene, inviting one team to seize the day and take the important four points on offer. For the Demons it was not a good Friday, easily beaten by an all-time largest losing margin of 65 points.   Essendon threw themselves into action today, winning most of the contests and had three early goals with Daria Bannister on fire.  In contrast the Demons were dropping marks, hesitant in close and comm

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 9

    DEFUSE THE BOMBERS by Meggs

    Last Saturday’s crushing loss to Fremantle, after being three goals ahead at three quarter time, should be motivation enough to bounce back for this very winnable Round 5 clash at Windy Hill. A first-time venue for the Melbourne AFLW team, this should be a familiar suburban, windy, footy environment for the players.   Essendon were brave and competitive last week against ladder leader Adelaide at Sturt’s home ground. A familiar name, Maddison Gay, was the Bombers best player with

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 33

    BLOW THE SIREN by Meggs

    Fremantle hosted the Demons on a sunny 20-degree Saturdayafternoon winning the toss and electing to defend in the first quarter against the 3-goal breeze favouring the Parry Street end. There was method here, as this would give the comeback queens, the Dockers, last use of the breeze. The Melbourne Coach had promised an improved performance, and we did start better than previous weeks, winning the ball out of the middle, using the breeze advantage and connecting to the forwards. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    GETAWAY by Meggs

    Calling all fit players. Expect every available Melbourne player to board the Virgin cross-continent flight to Perth for this Round 4 clash on Saturday afternoon at Fremantle Oval. It promises to be keenly contested, though Fremantle is the bookies clear favourite.  If we lose, finals could be remoter than Rottnest Island especially following on from the Dees 50-point dismantlement by North Melbourne last Sunday.  There are 8 remaining matches, over the next 7 weeks.  To Meggs’

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    DRUBBING by Meggs

    With Casey Fields basking in sunshine, an enthusiastic throng of young Demons fans formed a guard of honour for the evergreen and much admired 75-gamer Paxy Paxman. As the home team ran out to play, Paxy’s banner promised that the Demons would bounce back from last week’s loss to Brisbane and reign supreme.   Disappointingly, the Kangaroos dominated the match to win by 50 points, but our Paxy certainly did her bit.  She was clearly our best player, sweeping well in defence.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 4

    GARNER STRENGTH by Meggs

    In keeping with our tough draw theme, Week 3 sees Melbourne take on flag favourites, North Melbourne, at Casey Fields this Sunday at 1:05pm.  The weather forecast looks dry, a coolish 14 degrees and will be characteristically gusty.  Remember when Casey Fields was considered our fortress?  The Demons have lost two of their past three matches at the Field of Dreams, so opposition teams commute down the Princes Highway with more optimism these days.  The Dees held the highe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 1

    ALLY’S FIELDS by Meggs

    It was a sunny morning at Casey Fields, as Demon supporters young and old formed a guard of honour for fan favourite and 50-gamer Alyssa Bannan.  Banno’s banner stated the speedster was the ‘fastest 50 games’ by an AFLW player ever.   For Dees supporters, today was not our day and unfortunately not for Banno either. A couple of opportunities emerged for our number 6 but alas there was no sizzle.   Brisbane atoned for last week’s record loss to North Melbourne, comprehensively out

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 1

    GOOD MORNING by Meggs

    If you are driving or training it to Cranbourne on Saturday, don’t forget to set your alarm clock. The Melbourne Demons play the reigning premiers Brisbane Lions at Casey Fields this Saturday, with the bounce of the ball at 11:05am.  Yes, that’s AM.   The AFLW fixture shows deference to the AFL men’s finals games.  So, for the men it’s good afternoon and good evening and for the women it’s good morning.     The Lions were wounded last week by 44 points, their highest ever los

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 3
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...