TEAMS: Rd 23 vs Brisbane

[Kent 2,604]

10 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

I reckon we should give that red head a go in the centre bounce occasionally.  Clayton something is his name I think.

Seriously though, I think it will be Gus back to the wing.  If not him, then Spargo who played on Langdons wing when he missed those games earlier in the year.

Spargo is not a winger full stop

[Stein9193 129]

1 hour ago, forever demons said:

Calm ,calm down WCW dont get sucked in by self important drips.I hope you have great night helping our beloved dees win

Knight in shining armour :/

 

[forever demons 1,854]

3 minutes ago, Stein9193 said:

Knight in shining armour :/

 

WCW might have summed you up pretty well ,so slither away into the dark

[Vipercrunch 2,816]

30 minutes ago, Kent said:

Spargo is not a winger full stop

Yet he was the first choice of our coaching group to play on the wing when Langdon was injured earlier in the year.  But what would they know....

[Kent 2,604]

1 minute ago, Vipercrunch said:

Yet he was the first choice of our coaching group to play on the wing when Langdon was injured earlier in the year.  But what would they know....

exactly he was a liability in my view much better up forward  Brayshaw is a true defensive wing and wins his contests 

Spargo not so

[Lucifers Hero 37,207]

I know we all love TMc and want him back but lets remember he was dropped this year not long before his injury.

Our game is now built to have one tall fwd  Would we change it for two tall fwds this late in the season?

We know that heading into the finals, team selection, cohesion etc relies on consistency and predictability.  We have deliberately changed to a smaller fwd line and it is starting to click despite the shortcomings of ball movement and i50 delivery.

Not sure TMc will make it back into the team nor we add another tall down there. 

[Vipercrunch 2,816]

Just now, Kent said:

exactly he was a liability in my view much better up forward  Brayshaw is a true defensive wing and wins his contests 

Spargo not so

Do you have any evidence to support that he is a liability when he goes to the wing?  If so you need to send it to the club because he is still more often than not, the player that goes to the wing when JJ or Langdon are off the ground.

[mo64 5,209]

1 minute ago, Vipercrunch said:

Do you have any evidence to support that he is a liability when he goes to the wing?  If so you need to send it to the club because he is still more often than not, the player that goes to the wing when JJ or Langdon are off the ground.

This forum is based on opinions that are generally supported by evidence. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Spargo is a failure as a wingman, if you watch the games. 

The "the match committee knows better" argument is a load of rubbish. They don't always get it right.

[Vipercrunch 2,816]

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

This forum is based on opinions that are generally supported by evidence. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Spargo is a failure as a wingman, if you watch the games. 

The "the match committee knows better" argument is a load of rubbish. They don't always get it right.

Yet more proof that some supporters here have no idea of the match day roles players are given.  They want the forwards to play like Dunstall and Lockett in the 80's and the wingmen to play like Matera in the 90's.  It's 2022, football has evolved and for the most part, we have no idea of what the KPI's are for most players on the ground.

[mo64 5,209]

6 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

Yet more proof that some supporters here have no idea of the match day roles players are given.  They want the forwards to play like Dunstall and Lockett in the 80's and the wingmen to play like Matera in the 90's.  It's 2022, football has evolved and for the most part, we have no idea of what the KPI's are for most players on the ground.

Yeah I'm sure that Spargo met his KPI's with his 4 possessions.

[djr 1,071]

23 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I know we all love TMc and want him back but lets remember he was dropped this year not long before his injury.

Our game is now built to have one tall fwd  Would we change it for two tall fwds this late in the season?

We know that heading into the finals, team selection, cohesion etc relies on consistency and predictability.  We have deliberately changed to a smaller fwd line and it is starting to click despite the shortcomings of ball movement and i50 delivery.

Not sure TMc will make it back into the team nor we add another tall down there. 

I agree. Also Tmac is a slow starter after injuries.

[layzie 29,139]

17 minutes ago, mo64 said:

This forum is based on opinions that are generally supported by evidence. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Spargo is a failure as a wingman, if you watch the games. 

The "the match committee knows better" argument is a load of rubbish. They don't always get it right.

They don't always get it right but we can agree they have the best chance out of all of us for getting it right mo64?

[Vipercrunch 2,816]

2 minutes ago, djr said:

I agree. Also Tmac is a slow starter after injuries.

It's going to be a real interesting watch to see how it unfolds for that reason and what @Lucifers Hero said.  

[Lord Nev 13,511]

10 hours ago, John Demonic said:

You were pumping up Weideman like he was Wayne Carey all year

Was that when I said he's purely a depth player and will never 'break out' or when I said Goody will possibly trade him?

Obviously not paying much attention buddy.

 

[old55 21,403]

45 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Yeah I'm sure that Spargo met his KPI's with his 4 possessions.

Do you really think number of possessions is one of Spargo's KPIs?

[Macca 16,173]

We are playing 1 key forward only because we only have 1 that can play the position.  And some would argue that Brown has underperformed anyway (I disagree as I don't expect Brown to be able to consistently beat 2 or 3 opponents whilst trying to mark long bombs)

We are now at a point where we are asking Brown to sometimes go up with one arm to tap it down to the front & centre area (unless he is doing that under his own volition)

One of the reasons we haven't performed as well this season is T-Mac not being available (and firing) Our structure up forward has been easier to counter

2 KPF's, a 3rd forward (Fritsch) and a resting ruck was our make-up last year and it worked well.  Melksham has hit a bit of form so he makes up for the shortfall somewhat but we need him to maintain that form.  Fritsch, Gawn & Brown need to get amongst it tonight as well.  We at least need 2 or 3 of the 4 players (in total) to fire as Brisbane could be expected to score 12 or 13 goals goals on their home deck

They've got 3 talls that could prove to be difficult to curtail.  They (the Lions) won't be the same easy-beats we encountered 2 months ago

Demons by 15 points!

 

[Kent 2,604]

1 hour ago, Vipercrunch said:

Yet more proof that some supporters here have no idea of the match day roles players are given.  They want the forwards to play like Dunstall and Lockett in the 80's and the wingmen to play like Matera in the 90's.  It's 2022, football has evolved and for the most part, we have no idea of what the KPI's are for most players on the ground.

No I want wing men to at least half their contests! Not so interested in KPI's as we will never know what they are for indiviguals

I'm not against Spargo only where is is played for greater effectiveness

[Deefiant 427]

59 minutes ago, old55 said:

Do you really think number of possessions is one of Spargo's KPIs?

May not be but I think Spargo himself would know that he had an ordinary game. There were two efforts by him that really stuck out in my mind. In quick succession he had two opportunities to put pressure on the ball carrier on the wing near the boundary line. Instead he was easily brushed off. I remember one led to a direct goal. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by Deefiant

[Macca 16,173]

Our forward line has been deliberately crowded all season (by opposition teams) and our counter measure has been to outnumber the opposition in their forward lines. 

To not do that would leave opposition forward lines open with a lot of 1 on 1's  in open space

But Brisbane don't play that style. They aren't a total defence team nor do they flood back as a matter of course.  They back their style to beat the other teams

So in a way, we know what we are getting from Brisbane.  However, if they are allowed to play their style they can beat us especially if they can move the ball into their forward line at speed

I agree with a few others, Harmes to go to Neale and maybe Brayshaw back to the wing in a defensive style

But I reckon we need to more than match them out of the middle and at the stoppages.  If their midfielders can move the ball quickly to their 3 tall forwards and crumbers, they'll be a handful tonight

Edited August 19, 2022 by Macca

[leave it to deever 15,953]

I have  a feeling either Frita or Bbb or both are going to have big games.

I don't know why ..it will be a tough game but I really think we will come away with the chocolates.

And finish 2nd for the year. 

Dees by 28 points .  To have a big 3rd qrt.

Perhaps I have a reverse case of mfcss.

Go dees.

Enjoy the win fellow dlanders.

Also hoping to see a big game from Tracc. A gf performance. He hasn't been as good as last year imho. Not bad but not on fire.

Oliver seems to be doing more thn he should and he and Gus have been awesome.

Anb to lift too.

Edited August 19, 2022 by leave it to deever

[Binmans PA 26,292]

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

Spargo gives bugger all,slow, doesnt get enough of it and hardly hits the scoreboard. Dont give a stuff about his percieved forward pressure. SMITH would have been a much better bet up forward to assist BBB

I reckon Clarry is the only one you've got right, picket, and any nuffy could see he was going to be a star.

Edited August 19, 2022 by A F

[Binmans PA 26,292]

15 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Have to feel for Jordon. Played a lot last year but ended up in the sub role in the pointy end.

Now he's been in the starting 22 for the first 21 games this year but loses his spot late. If he isn't the sub this week, it will be his first game out of the side since 2020.

His form had dipped and put his spot at risk, although the same could clearly be said for Sparrow and Spargo as well.

I know you know this, but they offer different things. Sparrow is more explosive from stoppage and arguably stronger in the contest, with a more penetrating kick than JJ. Spargo is the deliverer, even if he only gets it 10 times.

I like them all, but we need more from our defensive winger now that Langdon is being shut out of games. I reckon that's the call on Gus to the wing. He can still roll through the middle at times, but if he can have an influence down the other wing it might bring Langdon into the game too.

Edited August 19, 2022 by A F

[Deemania since 56 6,197]

14 hours ago, kev martin said:

I see Sparrow as a protector and safety, tough to tackle, can receive a hot handball and gets out of jail. 

Shepards our main ball movers and getters, when in close.

Good sized mid.

Can run all day and still perform when exhausted. 

Usually a good kick, has the capacity to pop up when is needed and will take it on when it is his time.

Loads of potential as he learns to position himself well and deliver the ball to advantage. 

He is learning from Oliver, Trac, Brayshaw and Viney.

Very impressive package, if you ask me. Develop, develop, let loose!

[layzie 29,139]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

I know you know this, but they offer different things. Sparrow is more explosive from stoppage and arguably stronger in the contest, with a more penetrating kick than JJ. Spargo is the deliverer, even if he only gets it 10 times.

I like them all, but we need more from our defensive winger now that Langdon is being shut out of games. I reckon that's the call on Gus to the wing. He can still roll through the middle at times, but if he can have an influence down the other wing it might bring Langdon into the game too.

I think so too. Gus to the wing and back Sparrow in for some minutes in the middle.

[Binmans PA 26,292]

14 hours ago, djr said:

If that is a genuine question then you know sweet FA about how we play. I don't know why you even bother postering.

Jeepers. Settle down.