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17 hours ago, SFebes said:

Yes I'd love to see it and if it actually means anything. I do know that the in game "pressure rating" is very pivotal for momentum shifts and whether a side is "on" however its very frustrating to not know whether this is the actual rating. When we are "on" our pressure rating is 200+

Pressure and all may be a factor but an even more concerning stat is that we are ranked 18th for scores from turnover mentioned on 'On the Couch'. For reference we were ranked 5th for this stat last year and the previous 4 premiers all in the top 4.

But this stat is also indirectly correlated to our pressure so they are interlinked and if it isn't addressed soon it will cost us big time.

[doc roet 1,279]

I'd like to see Bowey tried as as small forward. Is fast, gutsy, smart and gets a lot of the ball. 

[Demon3 2,541]

10 minutes ago, doc roet said:

I'd like to see Bowey tried as as small forward. Is fast, gutsy, smart and gets a lot of the ball. 

I really like this.. i think him fwd of centre would help and should be tried. Id easily give him a try. 

ANB is a leader, and he is a goer and he is always trying, but right now he is caught in no mans land. He is playing a bit higher up the ground, not impacting, and therefor not impacting fwd pressure. Not sure what his role is at the moment.

[picket fence 16,655]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

What a surprise Picket calling for Spargo to be dropped,

Must be permanent cut and paste, unbelievable what you can’t see or more likely too pigheaded to acknowledge you don’t understand 

Your footy IQ is severely lacking

Amazing to think that a player ( who plays as a FORWARD ) does niether, get enough posessions nor kick enough goals. Oh thats right he is in the side because of his pressure! Spare me, a forward needs to KICK GOALS, thats why they are forwards, Get It!??

Edited August 9, 2022 by picket fence

[MrFreeze 1,855]

In: bowey Harmes

Out: Hunt Sparrow 

JVR for melk is a dream

[MrFreeze 1,855]

59 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I really like this.. i think him fwd of centre would help and should be tried. Id easily give him a try. 

ANB is a leader, and he is a goer and he is always trying, but right now he is caught in no mans land. He is playing a bit higher up the ground, not impacting, and therefor not impacting fwd pressure. Not sure what his role is at the moment.

ANB is ranked as elite for tackles and pressure acts this season. He sacrifices his game to enable others to play there's. Our gut run players are critical for team structure. 

[Demon3 2,541]

16 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

ANB is ranked as elite for tackles and pressure acts this season. He sacrifices his game to enable others to play there's. Our gut run players are critical for team structure. 

Fair call. 

[mo64 5,482]

36 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

ANB is ranked as elite for tackles and pressure acts this season. He sacrifices his game to enable others to play there's. Our gut run players are critical for team structure. 

That's fine if he didn't cough the ball up through fumbling or getting caught in possession, because he's been slow in mind and body. I didn't need stats to disprove what I'm seeing.

I just read all the definitions of Pressure Acts. They are so broad, it borders on meaningless. The only Pressure Act that is relevant is one which results in a turnover by the opposition or a stoppage. In a recent Crows game, Laird and Gray had something like 40 tackles combined, and they lost the game. 

I've had no issue with ANB for a season and a half, but since the bye, he's been out of form. And our team structures have been dissected by the better teams who are prepared to take us on. Something needs to change.

[Go the Biff 3,360]

11 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That's fine if he didn't cough the ball up through fumbling or getting caught in possession, because he's been slow in mind and body. I didn't need stats to disprove what I'm seeing.

I just read all the definitions of Pressure Acts. They are so broad, it borders on meaningless. The only Pressure Act that is relevant is one which results in a turnover by the opposition or a stoppage. In a recent Crows game, Laird and Gray had something like 40 tackles combined, and they lost the game. 

I've had no issue with ANB for a season and a half, but since the bye, he's been out of form. And our team structures have been dissected by the better teams who are prepared to take us on. Something needs to change.

That's it in a nutshell. ANB is horribly out of form - with the ball. Without the ball his running, pressure & work-rate are all still there. However if he was to be dropped, we need to find someone who can perform his function at his level & better. I don't think that's Chandler nor Bedford nor Lawrie. I wonder if that could be Harmes or perhaps Jordan with Brayshaw then returning to the wing.

[Abyssal 434]

14 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That's fine if he didn't cough the ball up through fumbling or getting caught in possession, because he's been slow in mind and body. I didn't need stats to disprove what I'm seeing.

I just read all the definitions of Pressure Acts. They are so broad, it borders on meaningless. The only Pressure Act that is relevant is one which results in a turnover by the opposition or a stoppage. In a recent Crows game, Laird and Gray had something like 40 tackles combined, and they lost the game. 

I've had no issue with ANB for a season and a half, but since the bye, he's been out of form. And our team structures have been dissected by the better teams who are prepared to take us on. Something needs to change.

‘Pressure Acts’ are stats for stats sake.

1.2 points for “corralling” , big deal.

If ANB is to be so well regarded for his ‘pressure acts’ and leadership, and not winning the ball, disposing it well and hitting the scoreboard, then lets start officially counting the number of fumbles and poor choices he makes.

 

[old55 22,779]

Demonland:

ANB's pressure acts aren't worth a cracker, drop him! 

MFC are 17th for pressure acts - the sky is falling!

[Pennant St Dee 12,658]

4 hours ago, picket fence said:

Amazing to think that a player ( who plays as a FORWARD ) does niether, get enough posessions nor kick enough goals. Oh thats right he is in the side because of his pressure! Spare me, a forward needs to KICK GOALS, thats why they are forwards, Get It!??

Thank you for reinforcing my comments on your footy IQ.

Apologies also to ever Deelander who wasted their hard earned backing Spargo to win the Coleman

[DubDee 24,348]

FYI

Demon ladies bounce is 4:40pm on Sat at the G. Practice match only but the chance to redeem themselves after the GF loss begins

[DubDee 24,348]

Just now, DubDee said:

FYI

Demon ladies bounce is 4:40pm on Sat at the G. Practice match only but the chance to redeem themselves after the GF loss begins

Maybe we put a helmet on Tayla Harris and play in the mens?? Show them how to hit the pack hard

[Neil Crompton 5,309]

4 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

ANB is ranked as elite for tackles and pressure acts this season. He sacrifices his game to enable others to play there's. Our gut run players are critical for team structure. 

I don’t think anyone is questioning his gut running and defensive skills - they are excellent. But it’s his offensive skills that are really letting him, and the team down over the last 6 or so games. It’s all very well to run and tackle, but all that good work gets negated when he turns the ball over so regularly. 
He’s regressed to the ANB of 2 seasons ago, and no one wants to see that player re-emerge. Hopefully a couple of games in the 2’s will get his decision making, confidence and skill set working again - back to where they generally have been for the last season and a half.

[MrFreeze 1,855]

13 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

I don’t think anyone is questioning his gut running and defensive skills - they are excellent. But it’s his offensive skills that are really letting him, and the team down over the last 6 or so games. It’s all very well to run and tackle, but all that good work gets negated when he turns the ball over so regularly. 
He’s regressed to the ANB of 2 seasons ago, and no one wants to see that player re-emerge. Hopefully a couple of games in the 2’s will get his decision making, confidence and skill set working again - back to where they generally have been for the last season and a half.

I understand the lack of offense but I don't think he should be the scape Goat. His poor offense is symptomatic of the whole team.

Petracca, Oliver and viney deserve way more blame. They rack possessions and waste them regularly. ANB was not the main player dump kicking it into the forward line.

[mo64 5,482]

37 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Thank you for reinforcing my comments on your footy IQ.

Apologies also to ever Deelander who wasted their hard earned backing Spargo to win the Coleman

Can you explain why Spargo only had 59% game time last week, the lowest in the team? And as a comparison, since the bye, Spargo averages 65% game time compared to Kozzie's 85% game time. You'd think the more seasoned player would have more game time.

[mo64 5,482]

6 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

I understand the lack of offense but I don't think he should be the scape Goat. His poor offense is symptomatic of the whole team.

Petracca, Oliver and viney deserve way more blame. They rack possessions and waste them regularly. ANB was not the main player dump kicking it into the forward line.

Lol, ANB couldn't get a clean possession. We have other structural and game plan issues, but ANB is out of form, pure and simple.

[adonski 10,809]

A wasp could play ANB's role

Just buzzin around, being a nuisance 

[binman 41,947]

3 hours ago, old55 said:

Demonland:

ANB's pressure acts aren't worth a cracker, drop him! 

MFC are 17th for pressure acts - the sky is falling!

This.

[Diamond_Jim 12,357]

I'm ready to swap Melksham for JVR.

It may not work but we are going nowhere over the next 4-6 weeks with this forward setup.

Chandler is the conservative addition. His VFL form is excellent but I wonder if he can deliver at AFL level

[John Demonic 5,502]

Wasn't there a stat that said 46% of Spargo's inside 50's result in a mark, which is the best in the comp? And our next best player is Viney at 19% which is the league avg and every other player is below. Dropping Spargo sounds like a great way to fix our forward connection 

Edited August 9, 2022 by John Demonic

[Dr. Gonzo 23,701]

16 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

We are really missing that 2nd tall. Gawn just doesn't kick straight enough to be a threat. I think it's time to unleash the Rooy. In van Rooyen and Harmes out Melksham and Sparrow.

At times it wasn't even that Gawn was playing second tall. At the first siren Jackson was ruck, Gawn FF and Brown was .....on the bench! Whats the point they may as well have started Max ruck, Brown FF and Jackson on the bench (like they often do).

Max has played much more time forward in recent weeks, is that because we are lacking tall forwards or to protect Max before September?

[mo64 5,482]

13 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Wasn't there a stat that said 46% of Spargo's inside 50's result in a mark, which is the best in the comp? And our next best player is Viney at 19% which is the league avg and every other player is below. Dropping Spargo sounds like a great way to fix our forward connection 

Since you have all the Champion Data stats, can you tell me how many inside 50's Spargo averages since the bye? Just as a comparison, Spargo averages 11 possessions per game, whilst Viney averages 30. If Spargo is averaging 46% of 2, does that make him a lock in the team?

[layzie 32,806]

Pressure acts and pressure ratings are two different things I believe. The rating is what is made up of corralling and all those other grades of pressure acts.

But by sheer weight of numbers ANB is never below 20 pressure acts a game. If you ever just soley watch him in a game all he does is run, run and run some more. Massive part of the structure, yes I'd like him to do more with the footy but I wouldn't be dropping him.