CHANGES: Rd 19 vs Western Bulldogs

[Webber 10,563]

41 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Big call coming back from a broken right thumb after only two weeks. Can speak from first hand experience it ain't much fun handballing with your right hand when your thumbs broken. Three to six is the normal prognosis.

Pain and functional quality depends on the type of fracture, where it is, and type of internal fixation used. If the thumb does what he requires of it, he’s ready. 

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

If we drop Fritsch we would stuggle to kick more than 4 goals for the match

[Willmoy1947 4,166]

Melksham stays in, really toughens up our forward line. Bring in Weideman, he does as well. Give Jackson a spell, or Max.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,368]

12 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Give Jackson a spell, or Max.

Yeah, that's not happening.

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Oliver is back and Lever expected to play according to Goody.

[BDA 22,955]

Confirmed by goody. Clarry will play

Clarry's back: Ball-magnet Melbourne Demon Clayton Oliver to return, coach confident on Jake Lever (afl.com.au)

[Demonland 73,266]

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,950]

34 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Melksham stays in, really toughens up our forward line. Bring in Weideman, he does as well. Give Jackson a spell, or Max.

Not sure that view is universally shared on Demonland.

[binman 44,187]

18 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

 

[rpfc 28,841]

Well, that makes things easier. Or harder. Petty ok to come back? Was he mentioned?

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11 minutes ago, binman said:

 

Hmmmmmmm  🤔 

[loges 6,767]

31 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure that view is universally shared on Demonland.

If you're going to bring in Weid you might as well give JVR a try, he might just show something whereas Weid?

[In Harmes Way 7,826]

1 hour ago, willmoy said:

Melksham stays in, really toughens up our forward line. Bring in Weideman, he does as well. Give Jackson a spell, or Max.

Not everyone gets sarcasm

[Dr. Gonzo 24,368]

26 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Well, that makes things easier. Or harder. Petty ok to come back? Was he mentioned?

He was out under the H&S protocols so you'd assume he's right to come in

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,950]

2 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Not everyone gets sarcasm

True. Just after I posted I realised I may have missed the sarcasm. And although I could have edited or deleted my post, I decided to let my naivete stand.  

[monoccular 17,607]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

To win the flag I think  Petty should come back as CHF and Tommo keep his place at FB. 
On the other hand could Tommo bullock his way like Tmac snd create ball drops etc for  the smalls up forward?  Isn't as good a player as Tmac so let's give Petty a go at this stage.

I also think Howes should be given 2/3 weeks to find form and look at him as an extra forward  possibility for say HFF  who can mark and move around. Yes is a gamble but worth looking at snd giving him a chance at this stage.  Or maybe try Rivers up forward as he competes well. 
 

The Petty option seems a reasonable option, but Howes after missing so much footy is way out of left field.  JVR would seem way ahead in the pecking order.

2 hours ago, Webber said:

Pain and functional quality depends on the type of fracture, where it is, and type of internal fixation used. If the thumb does what he requires of it, he’s ready. 

Exactly my thoughts - there are several parts to the thumb, some involved directly in hand balling, and others not.  Anyway it is a Bulldogs game so surely in the interests of equity he should be allowed to just throw it.

Edited July 20, 2022 by monoccular

[Webber 10,563]

18 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Anyway it is a Bulldogs game so surely in the interests of equity he should be allowed to just throw it.

Somebody had to say it, I guess. 

[deejammin' 2,374]

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Well, that makes things easier. Or harder. Petty ok to come back? Was he mentioned?

Petty was confirmed as coming back in Selwyn’s injury update video. Makes it interesting. For me:

In:

Oliver, Petty

Out:

Melksham, Tomlinson 

Both outs are stiff, they were ok.
 

I thought going small was looking good after the Brisbane game but with Max and Luke a bit down on their contested marking there might be a spot for Weid or JVR. Especially with the dogs backs not so great against tall forwards. I’d prefer JVR on form but Weid is experienced so might get the nod. If we go bigger I think Spargo goes out, his main asset, his kicking, is off, and Bedford is applying more pressure and x-factor. 

Edited July 20, 2022 by deejammin'

[Bates Mate 4,511]

1 hour ago, loges said:

If you're going to bring in Weid you might as well give JVR a try, he might just show something whereas Weid?

I'm mostly underwhelmed by Weid as well but he has shown he can at least create a contest at AFL level , and on occasions been better than serviceable. Jvr will get his chance next year. He has shown glimpses but hardly banging down the door will multiple bags and dominating at VFL. If we choose to go tall I'd prefer to go with a player who we know can compete at AFL and won't be a liability

Edited July 20, 2022 by Bates Mate

[drysdale demon 4,837]

3 hours ago, willmoy said:

Melksham stays in, really toughens up our forward line. Bring in Weideman, he does as well. Give Jackson a spell, or Max.

 

2 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

Not everyone gets sarcasm

It was either sarcasm or stupidity, take your pick.

[loges 6,767]

51 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

I'm mostly underwhelmed by Weid as well but he has shown he can at least create a contest at AFL level , and on occasions been better than serviceable. Jvr will get his chance next year. He has shown glimpses but hardly banging down the door will multiple bags and dominating at VFL. If we choose to go tall I'd prefer to go with a player who we know can compete at AFL and won't be a liability

Unfortunately you want all the things Weid isn't 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

Just watched the Goody presser. Not a great sign for BBB. I'm fearing his career maybe over sooner rather than later.

It does add some context to his performances of late and his lack of impact, which has been duly noted. Appears as though he doesn't train much in shorter turnaround games, which will severely impact his movement and fitness. So its no surprise that coming off a 9 day break, he looks much much better and has a greater impact for longer. The other thing I notice is that BBB tends to have his biggest impact early on in the game, but tends to fade out, which again probably is another indication of the severity of his injury. 

[58er 6,675]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

The Petty option seems a reasonable option, but Howes after missing so much footy is way out of left field.  JVR would seem way ahead in the pecking order.

Exactly my thoughts - there are several parts to the thumb, some involved directly in hand balling, and others not.  Anyway it is a Bulldogs game so surely in the interests of equity he should be allowed to just throw it.

MON   I forgot about J. Smith and would also suggest also that Joel  come back and be tried up forward as a roaming type.

 

10 minutes ago, CYB said:

Just watched the Goody presser. Not a great sign for BBB. I'm fearing his career maybe over sooner rather than later.

It does add some context to his performances of late and his lack of impact, which has been duly noted. Appears as though he doesn't train much in shorter turnaround games, which will severely impact his movement and fitness. So its no surprise that coming off a 9 day break, he looks much much better and has a greater impact for longer. The other thing I notice is that BBB tends to have his biggest impact early on in the game, but tends to fade out, which again probably is another indication of the severity of his injury. 

Be OK for after Bye break Round 23 and if we win and have break before Prelim. Give BBB limited time for Prelim and keep fresh for GF if possible.  

[monoccular 17,607]

4 minutes ago, 58er said:

MON   I forgot about J. Smith and would also suggest also that Joel  come back and be tried up forward as a roaming type.

 

Be OK for after Bye break Round 23 and if we win and have break before Prelim. Give BBB limited time for Prelim and keep fresh for GF if possible.  

58 - a fit Joel (I know a very unknown, sadly) would add a lot of versatility as a forward or a defender, despite his limitations.

With BBB's future now  looking rather uncertain, we need some height up forward, so it may be it is time for the Weed to make his final  case again.  

Whilst I have been hoping that JVR may get a gig sooner rather than later, throwing him in without an experienced forward partner may be too much to ask: or, he could of course stand up and announce his presence.

[Deemania since 56 6,737]

17 hours ago, picket fence said:

NO.. pressure acts dont cut it for me... How many times did he get the ball???? Not bloody enough. BACK TO CASEY! As Barassi once said

" You give me possesions.... and I'll shut up"

End of Rant!

Interestingly, Barassi - like so many Demon supporters - was seldom incorrect. Possessions - and the retention thereof of the football for plans C, D, E & F in a chain of continuous possession - are everything. Too many Demons think they are Tracca-clones, going goalward but in most cases, too far out. Bedford needs teamwork to get support for his little cameos and when he is lining up close to goal, it is almost a certainty. It is up to the team to provide that support through not bombing the pill in panic from too far out. I love his pace, his grip-snatch on the ball, his ability to lead to space. That is what needs to be recognised by midfielders and roaming half-forwards; Bedford, like Kozzie, is available. It will only take a bit of training practice and one or two 'game-time' experiences to settle this play, Petal. This is offensive work, not defensive pressure .