Always felt Brodie was too intellectual for Pies … doesn’t fit.

The guy's username who started this thread is very fitting.

Just cannot see how this works for us on the field.

35 minutes ago, A F said:

Are we really questioning the FD on this without the full details? Surely there's a point where they deserve some credit and trust?

I'm questioning the notion of getting a player who's just suffered his second consecutive serious injury, and is on a guaranteed 5 year contract. Add to that, both Max and Grundy have been no.1 ruckman at their club, and neither are proven forwards.

So yes, I am questioning the wisdom of our FD.

Grundy played his best football as a solo ruckman. Not sure he really compliments Gawn and he would cost a fair chunk of cap space even if the Pies pay a large percentage of his wages. 

No convinced

Is this part of the peacemeal approach we've had with our forward line for the past 4-5 years?

Would rather we throw what we get for Dogga plus his cap space at a good key forward. Who? I'm not sure.

Maybe we can do both.

We have the best ruck in the comp with little support (assuming Dogga leaves). But we have no quality key forwards, with both BBB and Tmac aging and on one leg

Send Grundy the the Richmond doc for a thorough physical

 

 

Edited August 9, 20222 yr by Stiff Arm

Worth considering.

Part of the appeal of Grundy at the Dees is that he is NOT at our premiership rivals Geelong and Pies. 

However, would he not prefer Geelong and be #1 ruck?

The implication of us having 700k or so for the next 5 years for Grundy, would seem to be that we do not have any other big KPF recruit in the pipeline for the foreseeable future. It's win now with what we have, what JVR becomes and what other smaller pieces we can acquire via free agency and trade

Edited August 9, 20222 yr by John Demonic

Who knows what the deal will be? Maybe the Pies buy him out of his contract and he starts afresh with a new one at the Dees. With our.current cap tightness, there’s no way that we will pay overs for a very good, but injury-prone number 2 ruck.

I'm literally missing a patch of skin on my head from scratching it over this one

I can see the appeal. 

Gawn over 30 and I'm sure we'd like to start transitioning him forward more over the coming years to prolong his career. He can be a head ache for opposition backmen, regardless of his questionable goal kicking. 

If it were to happen, we'd have to change our method going forward, especially if Ben Brown is still playing. And perhaps there's another forward we're eyeing off. 

Interesting to hear nevertheless. 

 

Would a Grundy / Weidman trade be in the offing, with a swapping of 2nd / 3rd round picks?

Of course pies pay part salary, while still getting a cash dump to chase a GWS player!

On 7/24/2022 at 8:19 AM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

It is indeed a bleak weekend for the club in the narrow context of season 2022, but this othering is surely a few fries short of a happy meal. Apart from the obvious, (i.e. who in their right mind seeks facts on Demonland?), what the hell is an incorrect fact?                 

In the words of Tom Wills, it's a speculator.

What do people genuinely think of Grundy's forward craft? 

I think the footy department boffins have enough credits in the bank to be trusted to make the right call.

If they reckon he's a good fit and the price tag is right then why the hell not? Ruck is the position of least depth on our list and Grundy is a proven commodity, albeit he hasn't been amazing the last few seasons. Trust the process

23 minutes ago, layzie said:

What do people genuinely think of Grundy's forward craft? 

Hard to judge considering he actually barely played there when he was at Collingwood due to being the number 1 ruckman.

But going off these small highlights it certainly shows he is more then capable of doing some damage up forward with his contested marking.

Clean grabs and and a far more accurate kick for goal then Gawn.

 

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hard to judge considering he actually barely played there when he was at Collingwood due to being the number 1 ruckman.

But going off these small highlights it certainly shows he is more then capable of doing some damage up forward with his contested marking.

Clean grabs and and a far more accurate kick for goal then Gawn.

 

Yeah these are my general thoughts without having too much sample data, decent overhead and a better set shot without being spectacular.

The question for me is how much of an upgrade would his forward work be on Dogga's? Plenty of questions to be answered on this one. 

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah these are my general thoughts without having too much sample data, decent overhead and a better set shot without being spectacular.

The question for me is how much of an upgrade would his forward work be on Dogga's? Plenty of questions to be answered on this one. 

I think when we drafted Jackson, Grundy would have been the prototype for what we hoped.

Grundy was doing it to an AA level over multiple years and Jackson has had one good burst in a GF.

If I was an opposition coach, Grundy as a 2nd ruck would be terrifying.

Let's for a second imagine Dogga is gone. We are still in our premiership window. Max is 31 next season. Tmac and BB are getting injured or playing sore more often. Weid isn't up to it. JVR is still developing. We have massive holes up forward and now also in the ruck when Max gets injured or needs a break. Established forwards and rucks aren't falling out of trees. As long as the pies are picking up some if the bill, then its a no brainer. Dogga isn't better than Grundy in terms of output anyhow, its an upgrade in the short to medium term.He is a way better mark and ruck

27 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah these are my general thoughts without having too much sample data, decent overhead and a better set shot without being spectacular.

The question for me is how much of an upgrade would his forward work be on Dogga's? Plenty of questions to be answered on this one. 

Basically if he can hold more than one mark a game in the forward line then he’d be a significant upgrade on Dogga 

26 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I think when we drafted Jackson, Grundy would have been the prototype for what we hoped.

Grundy was doing it to an AA level over multiple years and Jackson has had one good burst in a GF.

If I was an opposition coach, Grundy as a 2nd ruck would be terrifying.

Disagree. Grundy and Jackson are totally different. Jackson has the ability to get space and be an outlet at clearances, through his athleticism. He's also miles better at ground level. In ruck contests, Jackson relies on his leap, whereas Grundy relies on his strength and size. Neither have proven themselves to be great contested marks. Jackson still has time on his side to change that.

Grundy was a high possession getter at Collingwood under Buckley, because of how indirect they played. He'd often be on the end of a sideways chip pass. Once Buckley was sacked, his stats dropped. The Pies would be rapt to get him off their books, even if they're paying part of his salary.

I can't project how good Jackson will become, but it will be completely different type of player to AA Grundy.

39 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Disagree. Grundy and Jackson are totally different. Jackson has the ability to get space and be an outlet at clearances, through his athleticism. He's also miles better at ground level. In ruck contests, Jackson relies on his leap, whereas Grundy relies on his strength and size. Neither have proven themselves to be great contested marks. Jackson still has time on his side to change that.

Grundy was a high possession getter at Collingwood under Buckley, because of how indirect they played. He'd often be on the end of a sideways chip pass. Once Buckley was sacked, his stats dropped. The Pies would be rapt to get him off their books, even if they're paying part of his salary.

I can't project how good Jackson will become, but it will be completely different type of player to AA Grundy.

Fair call.

In simpler terms, Grundy is a little more useful than just a ruckman and we would hope that for Jackson.

Jackson gets manhandled in the ruck, Grundy doesn't.

It's a net positive for me.

 

Grundy is a box filler. 

He doesn't win the important possessions that you need a ruck to win for your team to be successful. He's a hard worker who you can plug into the ruck all day and get an honest contest, but he's the smallest 203cm 108kg player that you could ever see. 

More important than that, though, is that his contract makes him completely untradable to a contender. Hard pass.

I don’t know why anyone cares what Collingwood is paying him? We only pay what we think he is worth, and they take it or leave it. Simples.

4 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

I can see the appeal. 

Gawn over 30 and I'm sure we'd like to start transitioning him forward more over the coming years to prolong his career. He can be a head ache for opposition backmen, regardless of his questionable goal kicking. 

If it were to happen, we'd have to change our method going forward, especially if Ben Brown is still playing. And perhaps there's another forward we're eyeing off. 

Interesting to hear nevertheless. 

 

Gawn and Brown as the talls, with Fritsch and then a mosquito fleet at their feet. Kozzy, Bedford, Chandler with ANB and Spargo at high half forward. We can target the 20m hot spot at the top of the square ala Richmond 2017. Then play a higher defensive zone, and two goalkeepers behind them.