On 02/11/2023 at 21:17, Redleg said:

He wanted to play finals with us, yet we selected a bloke we wouldn’t even bring on for a few minutes.

Clearly a FD decision.

You could easily argue that cost us a PF.

Thanks all 16 of you who agree about the FD decision and I say Coaches also. 

I know you have agreed as you thought perhaps Brody  should have played but the whole decision on selection etc and who players an d who didn’t or was  allowed or not on the ground has been my point all along. 
Some terrible team and coach selections and decisions which ever way you look at it. 

And please Macca don’t come up with reasons that’s and so couldn’t go off or come on because …. 

Match day rules are meant to be flexible or workable and are what you make of them. 

It was ours to do something with and we didn’t just sat on the pine or in the box and let Rome burn while Nero fiddled. 

Gawn and Grundy could have worked with a more astute tactician at the helm

Absolutely smoked us tonight. Outplayed max hugely. No other words. 

It was nice and generous of our club to trade this tremendous ruckman to Sydney for a half eaten ham sandwich.

All we’ve achieved is making a top 8 rival’s midfield considerably better, while our ruck department is now depleted.

Club should have asked for a first rounder based on what Grundy was worth to Sydney, not what he showed in 2023.

Gawn message to Goodwin 

 

 

1 hour ago, adonski said:

Gawn and Grundy could have worked with a more astute tactician at the helm

Couldn't agree more. Thought we were completely one dimensional in our use of the pair of them. So many potential options but we just went forward,  ruck, bench. No thought , no initiative. 

We've still got a Luke Jackson sized hole in our team that might have been offset with a more nuanced approach to the Gawndy project 

 

He's still gone fellas, let it go.

1 minute ago, layzie said:

He's still gone fellas, let it go.

I have @layzie,  long ago. Good player, seems a good person.  Glad we had him. That said I'd have preferred he stunk it up against us. 

7 minutes ago, layzie said:

He's still gone fellas, let it go.

We let him go far too quickly and easily 

Lets see how he goes for the rest of the season.

We made Sydiney look like Billionaires tonight.

Hopefully our one bad below par performance for the year.

Edited March 7, 20241 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

The club treated Grundy deplorably.
Sang him a sugary song to get him here and then completely gave up on him halfway through the season.
Leaving him out of the finals was the final insult.
Played tonight like he'd had Gawns picture on the bathroom mirror all pre-season.

What concerns me the most is the message that sends to other players we try to entice to the club in future.
If things aren't quite clicking you could be frozen out real quick.
Does that come under the culture category?
I dunno.
But it aint a good look.
 

Edited March 7, 20241 yr by Fork 'em

I said at the time, why let him go to Sydney, only made a real rival stronger, Adelaide or Tigers would have been better.

Conditions suited Grundy with the ball on the ground more than not. Gawn's strength is his arial contest, which with the ball like a cake of soap was, taken out of the game.

58 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Conditions suited Grundy with the ball on the ground more than not. Gawn's strength is his arial contest, which with the ball like a cake of soap was, taken out of the game.

I came on here to post exactly this.  They're both different types of ruckman with Brodie adding more physicality once the pill is on the ground and was always going to add more value here.

No one could take a grab last night so Max's 'one wood' was basically gone after quarter time.

Brodie had some nice moments but a few are getting very carried away here.  He had multiple turn over kicks and a couple of absolutely fluffed hand balls as well.  Fairly certain, he would feature highly in clangers for the match.

Still, he's a good player and I wish him well.  We rolled the dice with him (basically the only big man available after or first straight sets exit) and it didn't work.  It diminished both Gawn's and his output when we realised none can play forward more than a pinch hit here and there.

I'm happy we got him in to try something going all out for a flag.  Once it didn't work and we realised both suck up forward with no forward craft at all, then the right thing to do was cut him loose.

8 hours ago, DEE fence said:

I said at the time, why let him go to Sydney, only made a real rival stronger, Adelaide or Tigers would have been better.

 

Adelaide would be as good as Sydney if Grundy went there. They should make the eight this year.

 

Grundy was noticeably far fitter looking than he was with us.. he looked primed, whilst for us he looked a plodder

10 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Lets see how he goes for the rest of the season.

We made Sydiney look like Billionaires tonight.

Hopefully our one bad below par performance for the year.

Agreed.

The blokes could not mark for us.

He did well last night but we'll see if he was playing on revenge fumes.

9 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

The club treated Grundy deplorably.
Sang him a sugary song to get him here and then completely gave up on him halfway through the season.
Leaving him out of the finals was the final insult.
Played tonight like he'd had Gawns picture on the bathroom mirror all pre-season.

What concerns me the most is the message that sends to other players we try to entice to the club in future.
If things aren't quite clicking you could be frozen out real quick.
Does that come under the culture category?
I dunno.
But it aint a good look.
 

We really shot ourselves in the foot by not playing him in the finals.

I really feel that Goody is too inflexible

But the fact he didn't play finals I think shows there was some bad blood about.

The way Grundy played last night intimated this as well.

You make some good points. Certainly Grundy was the most motivated, I've ever seen him play

It's not a great look at all for other players thinking about moving.

Edited March 7, 20241 yr by leave it to deever

9 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

The club treated Grundy deplorably.
Sang him a sugary song to get him here and then completely gave up on him halfway through the season.
Leaving him out of the finals was the final insult.
Played tonight like he'd had Gawns picture on the bathroom mirror all pre-season.

What concerns me the most is the message that sends to other players we try to entice to the club in future.
If things aren't quite clicking you could be frozen out real quick.
Does that come under the culture category?
I dunno.
But it aint a good look.
 

He came in unfit. Was played every game from round 1 to over mid year. Was bought back in and did nothing.

Showed absolutely no aptitude to get to the right spots when in the ruck, just ran his own race in there.

And made no progress as a forward when all he needed to do to keep his spot was provide the occasional contest in the right areas.

Gawn had a stinker last night for sure. And Grundy is looking fitter thanks to a year in the MFC program and us looking after his fitness. It was the perfect conditions for a ruck who's great strength is ground ball follow ups. The ball was on the deck most of the night. Good for him.

Moving Grundy on rather than throwing him back in to the team cold in to a final and then persisting with a bad combination was the right thing to do and reflects well on us.

We should have demanded Melbourne born Hayden Mclean in return who kicked 21 goals last year as a back up ruck which is very Luke Jackson ish, and was Sydney's best tall forward last night and in their elimination final last year.

Sydney were in dire need of a first ruck. We were in dire need of a goal kicking back up ruck.

Why did we not play hard ball given Sydney needed and wanted Grundy? Didn't we hold the leverage?

Can someone explain to me why we just made a rival significantly and noticeably better in exchange for a couple of picks in the 40's.

 

3 hours ago, Deeko2 said:

I came on here to post exactly this.  They're both different types of ruckman with Brodie adding more physicality once the pill is on the ground and was always going to add more value here.

No one could take a grab last night so Max's 'one wood' was basically gone after quarter time.

Brodie had some nice moments but a few are getting very carried away here.  He had multiple turn over kicks and a couple of absolutely fluffed hand balls as well.  Fairly certain, he would feature highly in clangers for the match.

Still, he's a good player and I wish him well.  We rolled the dice with him (basically the only big man available after or first straight sets exit) and it didn't work.  It diminished both Gawn's and his output when we realised none can play forward more than a pinch hit here and there.

I'm happy we got him in to try something going all out for a flag.  Once it didn't work and we realised both suck up forward with no forward craft at all, then the right thing to do was cut him loose.

Indeed, Grundy led all players from both sides with 9 clangers.

He was good, don't get me wrong, but he was nowhere near as good as most are saying. 

19 hours ago, adonski said:

Gawn and Grundy could have worked with a more astute tactician at the helm

Max looked tired and Grundy never played that well for us.

5 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Indeed, Grundy led all players from both sides with 9 clangers.

He was good, don't get me wrong, but he was nowhere near as good as most are saying. 

It’s been a long term tactic to let the less efficient users get a lot of it. So,metimes it’s hurts the team

Grundy must have been shocked when Goodwin preferred Schache (soft marshmallow) and Tmcd (couldn’t move) in the finals last year.  Bizarre.  Neither Tmcd or Schache contributed anything as we lost both finals. 
 

Goodwin sold Grundy the candy then froze him out very quickly.  Yet others like Spargo play one good game in 10 and get picked weekly (even with no preseason).  
 

These are the facts.  
 

No ill feeling from anyone including Max as Grundy and his manager then obviously sought a move.