3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I might be on my own here but I actually think Caro is one of the best Journo's going around...

Amongst a sea of utter nonsense perhaps she’s ok. The standards of the afl media are the lowest of low. There is no genuine football analysis anywhere, just inflamed opinion, high horse editorialising, cheap, shallow points on the game disguised as analysis.
She hates Melbourne, refuses to ever bash Richmond and she really doesn’t report on the game. Just the “saucy” stuff outside the actual game. Which I wish the afl media would stop. It is they who create endless problems for players. Most afl “stories” aren’t really stories. They are the media yapping at each other. The industry doesn’t need half of it. Oh and she absolutely wreaks of entitlement, but a lot of the industry does.

Edited June 23, 20223 yr by von

i thought eddie was constantly interrupting her to be honest

and i rate her

and detest him

Younger posters may not be aware that when Caro was growing up, her father, Ian "Octa" Wilson, was Richmond president and a very powerful man in the football world.

She has always had an excellent list of contacts in the industry and her sources are usually sound.

I think some people criticise her journalism on the basis that they don't care for her personally.  I get that she can be abrasive and tends to be soft on her beloved Tigers, but her articles are on the money more often than not.

42 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Shouldn't it be "Verbosus" ?

You could be right. I am away on holidays and the mind is in relaxation mode.

12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i thought eddie was constantly interrupting her to be honest

and i rate her

and detest him

I watch the show every week, both nights, for years and believe me she interrupts all the time.

It is very annoying, when you want to hear the others finish their sentence.

27 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Younger posters may not be aware that when Caro was growing up, her father, Ian "Octa" Wilson, was Richmond president and a very powerful man in the football world.

She has always had an excellent list of contacts in the industry and her sources are usually sound.

I think some people criticise her journalism on the basis that they don't care for her personally.  I get that she can be abrasive and tends to be soft on her beloved Tigers, but her articles are on the money more often than not.

But are they a necessary contribution to the sport? They seem generally peripheral to the game and designed to destabilise. 

45 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I watch the show every week, both nights, for years and believe me she interrupts all the time.

It is very annoying, when you want to hear the others finish their sentence.

i never want to hear any sentence lloyd or kornes say...usually cos each new uttering contradicts what they've said previously...

 

She’s being sued by Glen Bartlett which is a positive reflection on her in my book

over eggs some of the back room politicking pieces she writes but overall I think she fair and balanced. One of the better afl journos I reckon 

12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i never want to hear any sentence lloyd or kornes say...usually cos each new uttering contradicts what they've said previously...

 

Yep, complete BS all of it.

Gee it makes me laugh when they ask the victims of their repetitive attacks “so how are you coping with the pressure (that us media have created)”

often the answer will be some generic response such as “it has been tough, but the boys are just banding together and focusing our energy on the weekend”    

(You can see their minds ticking over, and thinking/wanting to say, “we don’t listen to any of your BS, and actually couldn’t give a stuff, as we know it’s all fabricated drama designed to generate greater clicks/listeners/viewers/ratings”)

Edited June 23, 20223 yr by 1964_2

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

i thought eddie was constantly interrupting her to be honest

and i rate her

and detest him

I tried to watch it but couldn’t work out who was interrupting who. You can’t mention any thing Collingwood or Richmond on the show and at times they are quite shameless. However they all have the ability to sound reasonable, intelligent and informative when discussing everyone else’s teams.!!

Wilson is brilliant IMHO. Do I always agree with her? No. Does she sometimes get it wrong? Yes. Who amongst us hasn't made mistakes? We're all keyboard heroes to some degree, including QD. Pointing out the errors of others whilst being reluctant to admit our own is par for the course online. 

She has been brilliant in holding the often nefarious VFL/AFL to account for decades. She used to get suck into Oakley and Vlad on a regular basis. 

And as for the morons in clubland . . . she's been superb. For example:

• the hypocrisy of the Swans whinging while benefitting from COLA, draft concessions and AFL handouts to recruit stars,
• the series of completely dysfunctional administrations at Linton Street over five decades, with a spectacular highlight (hard to pick one admittedly) being the duplicitousness fiasco involving Blight (thanks for all the headlines Minibus),
• she was the first to go after the Golden Child at Windy Hill before it became popular game fishing,
• she couldn't stand the Elliott cheating regime at Royal Parade,
• she chased down the Crows in 2018,
• called out the finger up-the-date debacle at Bunt Road for exactly what it was,
• she went ferreting after Meth Coke, and
• called out the sanctimoniousness at the Filth on a monthly basis. 

And finally, I would say this. If she is talking over Triple Chins, I am not surprised. She has been subjected to, and had to put up with, sexism, prejudice, misogyny, behind the hand sniggers, and white male 'right to entitlement' at all levels of the game for a long time. How she has survived it is amazing. She must be a strong person. She has had to interrupt to be heard over the egocentric, self-important, arrogant and attention seeking FWs for a long time. Wilson has played a huge part in paving the way for a greater role for women in the game. Her legacy is assured. 

Edited June 23, 20223 yr by Queanbeyan Demon
Typo

8 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

How do we “cancel” her?

enough is enough. 

I'll pile on when required!!

On 6/23/2022 at 8:00 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Wilson is brilliant IMHO. Do I always agree with her? No. Does she sometimes get it wrong? Yes. Who amongst us hasn't made mistakes? We're all keyboard heroes to some degree, including QD. Pointing out the errors of others whilst being reluctant to admit our own is par for the course online. 

She has been brilliant in holding the often nefarious VFL/AFL to account for decades. She used to get suck into Oakley and Vlad on a regular basis. 

And as for the morons in clubland . . . she's been superb. For example:

• the hypocrisy of the Swans whinging while benefitting from COLA, draft concessions and AFL handouts to recruit stars,
• the series of completely dysfunctional administrations at Linton Street over five decades, with a spectacular highlight (hard to pick one admittedly) being the duplicitousness fiasco involving Blight (thanks for all the headlines Minibus),
• she was the first to go after the Golden Child at Windy Hill before it became popular game fishing,
• she couldn't stand the Elliott cheating regime at Royal Parade,
• she chased down the Crows in 2018,
• called out the finger up-the-date debacle at Bunt Road for exactly what it was,
• she went ferreting after Meth Coke, and
• called out the sanctimoniousness at the Filth on a monthly basis. 

And finally, I would say this. If she is talking over Triple Chins, I am not surprised. She has been subjected to, and had to put up with, sexism, prejudice, misogyny, behind the hand sniggers, and white male 'right to entitlement' at all levels of the game for a long time. How she has survived it is amazing. She must be a strong person. She has had to interrupt to be heard over the egocentric, self-important, arrogant and attention seeking FWs for a long time. Wilson has played a huge part in paving the way for a greater role for women in the game. Her legacy is assured. 

let me praise your post QB - I saw how bad afl media is this week when North Melb provided its own PR video on JHF's coat hanger.

The reason the afl media is poor is because there is no money now for journos like Carro.

The Fourth Estate holds these clubs to account and Carro the best at this in my time.

Carro has bitten into topics in our club that I have found hard to digest but the truth hurts sometimes.

Triple C is a disgraceful-monologued know-all - I avoid him but occasionally I see him and there he is Mr Takeover Merchant.

 

Edited June 24, 20223 yr by Anti-Saint
posted by accident

I don’t agree at all with the OP, or his ongoing vendetta against Caro. 

But even if I did, mods do we need yet another thread on this?

Far out. 

On 6/23/2022 at 2:02 PM, old dee said:

You are not alone dd!

Is three still considered a crowd?

32 minutes ago, Anti-Saint said:

let me praise your post QB - I saw how bad afl media is this week when North Melb provided its own PR video on JHF's coat hanger.

The reason the afl media is poor is because there is no money now for journos like Carro.

The Fourth Estate holds these clubs to account and Carro the best at this in my time.

Carro has bitten into topics in our club that I have found hard to digest but the truth hurts sometimes.

Triple C is a disgraceful-monologued know-all - I avoid him but occasionally I see him and there he is Mr Takeover Merchant.

 

Did you see when your favourite Caro piled into De Goey, dismissing his mental health issues as a poor excuse, even after it has come out that he is having time away from the club?

she is a germ, who needs to wind it up. 

On 6/23/2022 at 1:03 PM, Redleg said:

I have just seen the funniest thing I have seen on TV in ages.

Caro on footy classified last night, complained that Eddie interrupted her.

All she does on that show is interrupt the other panellists and talk over them constantly. Eddie snapped back that she interrupts all the time and she didn’t like it.

I couldn’t believe what she said and she is either ignorant of the fact that she interrupts all the time, or she is just stupid and self obsessed, with hearing her own voice all the time.

PS : She still hasn’t apologised to Dees fans for her incorrect slur on our booing of BOG players while they are receiving an award. She is obviously too busy interrupting to listen to what she actually says. Verbal diarrhoea at its best.

I think Caro and Eddie are both as bad as each other. Eddie is the ultimate ego maniac and has no real feel for normal social interaction cos he’s so obsessed with his own ego. The upheaval on social issues and racism at Collingwood since he left can be directly attributed to Eddie’s insensitivity and his self obsession. It was all outlined  in the disgraceful facts surrounding Collingwood’s so called “Do Better Report” into Collingwood's systemic racism, which when it was released Eddie amazingly described it as “a great day for the Collingwood Football Club”. This directly led to his being sacked as Pies’ President and his leaving the Board for which Collingwood deserves a great deal of credit. Nevertheless, Maguire continues to push the same insensitive attitudes on Footy Classified on Channel Nine which makes it from my point of view unwatchable, particularly as that Eddie “clone” Ross Lyon is still there as well. 

As far as Caro is concerned, l think she has been an outstanding AFL journalist in the past, but has well and truly gone past her “use-by date”. It is time for her to retire gracefully before her good name is soiled by those quacks Messrs Mecguire and Lyon. Alternatively, change shows. They are toxic!
 

4 hours ago, Anti-Saint said:

let me praise your post QB - I saw how bad afl media is this week when North Melb provided its own PR video on JHF's coat hanger.

The reason the afl media is poor is because there is no money now for journos like Carro.

The Fourth Estate holds these clubs to account and Carro the best at this in my time.

Carro has bitten into topics in our club that I have found hard to digest but the truth hurts sometimes.

Triple C is a disgraceful-monologued know-all - I avoid him but occasionally I see him and there he is Mr Takeover Merchant.

 

Good point about Norf A-S. For a club who has been so innovative for half a century, they have certainly lost their way. And your point about money for good quality journalism is well made. The whole sector has been hollowed-out by the tech-revolution. The industry's response in Australia to this upheaval has been astoundingly incompetent. Hope you're not a jorno A-S. :-I

On 6/23/2022 at 8:00 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Wilson is brilliant IMHO. Do I always agree with her? No. Does she sometimes get it wrong? Yes. Who amongst us hasn't made mistakes? We're all keyboard heroes to some degree, including QD. Pointing out the errors of others whilst being reluctant to admit our own is par for the course online. 

She has been brilliant in holding the often nefarious VFL/AFL to account for decades. She used to get suck into Oakley and Vlad on a regular basis. 

And as for the morons in clubland . . . she's been superb. For example:

• the hypocrisy of the Swans whinging while benefitting from COLA, draft concessions and AFL handouts to recruit stars,
• the series of completely dysfunctional administrations at Linton Street over five decades, with a spectacular highlight (hard to pick one admittedly) being the duplicitousness fiasco involving Blight (thanks for all the headlines Minibus),
• she was the first to go after the Golden Child at Windy Hill before it became popular game fishing,
• she couldn't stand the Elliott cheating regime at Royal Parade,
• she chased down the Crows in 2018,
• called out the finger up-the-date debacle at Bunt Road for exactly what it was,
• she went ferreting after Meth Coke, and
• called out the sanctimoniousness at the Filth on a monthly basis. 

And finally, I would say this. If she is talking over Triple Chins, I am not surprised. She has been subjected to, and had to put up with, sexism, prejudice, misogyny, behind the hand sniggers, and white male 'right to entitlement' at all levels of the game for a long time. How she has survived it is amazing. She must be a strong person. She has had to interrupt to be heard over the egocentric, self-important, arrogant and attention seeking FWs for a long time. Wilson has played a huge part in paving the way for a greater role for women in the game. Her legacy is assured. 

 

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I don’t agree at all with the OP, or his ongoing vendetta against Caro. 

But even if I did, mods do we need yet another thread on this?

Far out. 

 

The best two posts in this thread.

On 6/23/2022 at 5:11 PM, Demonstone said:

Younger posters may not be aware that when Caro was growing up, her father, Ian "Octa" Wilson, was Richmond president and a very powerful man in the football world.

She has always had an excellent list of contacts in the industry and her sources are usually sound.

I think some people criticise her journalism on the basis that they don't care for her personally.  I get that she can be abrasive and tends to be soft on her beloved Tigers, but her articles are on the money more often than not.

She can be a great journalist. She knows her trade, is uncompromising when she is following a story, and obviously has very strong contacts throughout the industry. All this developed in a world where the men in suits would have despised her as a woman being so strong, persistent and articulate.

But she makes the same mistake most modern sport journalists make: she reports rumour. She probably tries to substantiate it, but too often (maybe 2 out of every 7 "scoops") she will say stuff like "word out of Collingwood today", "or "there's a lot of talk at Essendon" etc...

Modern journalists must stop reporting rumour, suggestion, grievance and opinion as fact. If it is a rumour, let it be silent unless something gives it solid credibility. 

13 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

Did you see when your favourite Caro piled into De Goey, dismissing his mental health issues as a poor excuse, even after it has come out that he is having time away from the club?

she is a germ, who needs to wind it up. 

Surely you're not attacking Caro based on what she's said about De Goey? Why is De Goey having time away from the club? Because he  doesn't like the responses he's received following his double-down on his so-called victimisation and excusing his behaviour because he supposedly has ADHD. Of  course he's backed away from that now following no doubt multiple consultations with Collingwood media advisors. 

You don't have to like Caro without name-calling  Ridiculously over the top.

11 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

I think Caro and Eddie are both as bad as each other. Eddie is the ultimate ego maniac and has no real feel for normal social interaction cos he’s so obsessed with his own ego. The upheaval on social issues and racism at Collingwood since he left can be directly attributed to Eddie’s insensitivity and his self obsession. It was all outlined  in the disgraceful facts surrounding Collingwood’s so called “Do Better Report” into Collingwood's systemic racism, which when it was released Eddie amazingly described it as “a great day for the Collingwood Football Club”. This directly led to his being sacked as Pies’ President and his leaving the Board for which Collingwood deserves a great deal of credit. Nevertheless, Maguire continues to push the same insensitive attitudes on Footy Classified on Channel Nine which makes it from my point of view unwatchable, particularly as that Eddie “clone” Ross Lyon is still there as well. 

You don't seriously think that Eddie's comment was meant to mean that the  information contained in the 'Do Better Report' was something Collingwood  should be proud of, do you?. Clearly what he was trying to say was that the fact they'd investigated these issues and released a report was a positive  thing. His words were chosen poorly and yet another example of Eddie's gaffs and insensitivities, nothing more than that.

1 hour ago, Maldonboy38 said:

She can be a great journalist. She knows her trade, is uncompromising when she is following a story, and obviously has very strong contacts throughout the industry. All this developed in a world where the men in suits would have despised her as a woman being so strong, persistent and articulate.

But she makes the same mistake most modern sport journalists make: she reports rumour. She probably tries to substantiate it, but too often (maybe 2 out of every 7 "scoops") she will say stuff like "word out of Collingwood today", "or "there's a lot of talk at Essendon" etc...

Modern journalists must stop reporting rumour, suggestion, grievance and opinion as fact. If it is a rumour, let it be silent unless something gives it solid credibility. 

Well said. Personally I like listening to the Footyology Podcast with Rohan Connolly. I don't agree with everything said and Essendon gets too much of a run but at least it features a proper journalist rather than ex-footballers that are there just because they're ex-footballers.

If you want to listen to proper analysis concerning the Melbourne Football Club only you only need to listen to the Demonland Podcast. Better analysis than anyone on 2, 7, 9 or Fox Footy.

17 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

Did you see when your favourite Caro piled into De Goey, dismissing his mental health issues as a poor excuse, even after it has come out that he is having time away from the club?

she is a germ, who needs to wind it up. 

His mental health issues?

What are they?

Not ADHD obviously, because that is not a mental health issue, it is a neurodevelopmental disorder.

And blaming it for his behaviour is pathetic, and insuting to people with ADHD and similar neuro diverse conditions.

Edited June 25, 20223 yr by binman

The most important distinction between caro and 90% of tbe other other nongs paid to discuss football is tbat she is a trained and super experienced journalist.

Good journos write without fear or favour, know how to craft a compelling story and have mastery of the English language (or whatever their lingua franca is).

In the AFL media industry, Wilson, whose affiliation with Richmond is way over-played, is a rarity amongst a sea of (mainly) blokes who are either hopelessly conflicted or plain dumb, or both.

Although I don’t always agree with her, I’d much rather read/listen to her words than anyone else’s on that FC panel. Keep interrupting, Caro!

I find that show insufferable as it seems like a competition for who can interrupt who first followed by who can be faux-confrontational the most.

Really awkward and manufactured feel.

Edited June 25, 20223 yr by BoBo