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6 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We improved dramatically under Roosy 

North have gone backwards at a fast rate

no, Roos built solid foundations

It wasn’t pretty footy under Roos. Defensive, uncontested footy as we couldn’t two way run at that stage. But built foundations.

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    8 hours ago, Foopy on the telly said:

    To be fair, you could’ve said the same thing about Paul Roos with us 9 years ago.

    But Roos was never going to coach again after finishing his tenure with us. 🧐

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    7 hours ago, TheWiz said:

    It wasn’t pretty footy under Roos. Defensive, uncontested footy as we couldn’t two way run at that stage. But built foundations.

    The % improved. That was stage 1

    Roos appointment was a Success, Noble has been disastrous. Now it may be beyond his control, but who else would go in there to have their career ruined 

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    20 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    We improved dramatically under Roosy 

    North have gone backwards at a fast rate

    no, Roos built solid foundations

    Apologies, please disregard my comment. I read yours incorrectly.

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    At least the AFL will give them a bunk up with priority picks that they refused to give us when we were languishing at the bottom of the table and performing just as badly.

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    7 hours ago, Demonstone said:

    North are doing worse under Noble than we did under Neeld, according to this article.

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-stats-don-t-lie-where-noble-s-north-compares-with-mark-neeld-s-melbourne-20220704-p5ayzr.html

     

    Forget curing diseases and flying to Mars, I want to invest in virtual reality technology that allows us to play classics like Melbourne 2013 vs North 2022. I think we'd just win but it would be a ripper.

    Neeld very lucky to get three of his five wins against GWS when they were rubbish. If nothing else - and there isn't much - he can say he was 3-0 against Kevin Sheedy and coached our highest scoring fourth quarter of all time.

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    1 hour ago, Supermercado said:

    Forget curing diseases and flying to Mars, I want to invest in virtual reality technology that allows us to play classics like Melbourne 2013 vs North 2022. I think we'd just win but it would be a ripper.

    Neeld very lucky to get three of his five wins against GWS when they were rubbish. If nothing else - and there isn't much - he can say he was 3-0 against Kevin Sheedy and coached our highest scoring fourth quarter of all time.

    That GWS game WAS one of the most fun games to watch though.

    Michael Evans kicked 3 goals in that last quarter. A star in the making! He got delisted the next year, with a year to run on his contract if I remember rightly.

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    10 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

    At least the AFL will give them a bunk up with priority picks that they refused to give us when we were languishing at the bottom of the table and performing just as badly.

    They gave us something far better than priority picks. They gave us Peter Jackson and Paul Roos. If they'd just given us priority picks we would probably have wasted them either by making poor selections or not giving them the right environment in which to develop properly. Or both.

    I suspect North will need something similar. 

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    At least the current North have provided competition for the "worst team since Fitzroy" title.

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    6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    This wouldn't be a bad idea, but it's only a small part of the problems that North face.

     

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hunting-for-a-general-kangaroos-in-the-market-for-hodge-style-leader-20220704-p5az1q.html

    If I were North, I'd be making Angus Brayshaw a Godfather offer. He's got the talent, family connection to the club, leadership, Premiership experience and he's a free agent. If I were Brayshaw, I'd be torn between staying with a very successful club or being set up for life post-football.  

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    Getting Walsh in to review their football department is a positive action but when you hear the word 'culture' bandied around as a cause of their problems you'd think it needs to go deeper than that. 

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    The main similarity between Noble & Neeld is of course that it will never be known if they could have been an effective coach if only they had been at a functional club.

    North have been screwed ever since their 'war chest' seasons where they dumped their still-performing veterans and banked up salary cap to attract... um... was it Jared Polec?

    Missing Cunnington and with Ziebell clearly overwhelmed, by my reckoning that leaves just Luke McDonald and Todd Goldstein as mature players who can provide guidance and consistency to the group. No offense to Hall, Greenwood, Anderson, Walker and Corr, but they aren't that kind of leader.

    Meanwhile, Horne-Francis has an idea of what might be best for him, and it isn't following in the footsteps of Jack Grimes and Jack Trengove, burdened with carrying both the hopes and the midfield of his club.

    Throw in the fact that half the clubs in the competition are in search of competitive tall forwards and defenders, and there is a real danger they could lose one or both of Nick Larkey and Ben McKay. If they lose one, add an entire season to their rebuild duration. If they lose both, North have no structure left anywhere on the ground.

     It has been 11 rounds since North came within seven goals of an opponent, and their only win for the season was this;

    The Kangaroos have narrowly survived an almighty scare from a desperately undermanned West Coast outfit, holding on for a 15-point victory thanks to six goals from Nick Larkey on a chaotic day at Marvel Stadium.

    Despite being forced to make a whopping 14 changes to their Round 1 side — a VFL/AFL record — the depleted Eagles remained within striking distance of David Noble’s side for the entire game.

    I don't see how North recover from their current situation. This is ruining my morning coffee.

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    2 hours ago, Nasher said:

    That GWS game WAS one of the most fun games to watch though.

    Michael Evans kicked 3 goals in that last quarter. A star in the making! He got delisted the next year, with a year to run on his contract if I remember rightly.

    Highest scoring Q4 in our history achieved by one of the worst coaches. Makes no sense.

    I liked Gawn smashing the ball into the head of a GWS fan:

     

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    43 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    This wouldn't be a bad idea, but it's only a small part of the problems that North face.

     

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hunting-for-a-general-kangaroos-in-the-market-for-hodge-style-leader-20220704-p5az1q.html

    They can have Tomlinson. 

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    11 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

    Highest scoring Q4 in our history achieved by one of the worst coaches. Makes no sense.

    I liked Gawn smashing the ball into the head of a GWS fan:

     

    Completely forgot about that! Cop that!

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    1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    If I were North, I'd be making Angus Brayshaw a Godfather offer. He's got the talent, family connection to the club, leadership, Premiership experience and he's a free agent. If I were Brayshaw, I'd be torn between staying with a very successful club or being set up for life post-football.  

    hard to disagree, especially if they set it up so that his dad is the new ceo too

    the issue being that their second obvious leader - luke mcdonald - is essentially playing the same role as gus is now, as a half back interceptor / set-up player behind the ball

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    2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    They can have Tomlinson. 

    Tomlnson was great last year before injury.

    This year he has been fantastic at Casey, but put in a poor one against the Swans.

    I would have tried him up forward, to see if he could have helped the totally out of form BBB, while Tom is out.

    With Turner coming along well, that will put pressure on him, but he is not useless.

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    11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    I would  go hard for Larky because I am a heartless biatch.

    He would fix one of our remaining two areas of concern immediately, but realistically we would be no chance to get him. The AFL would probably try and veto any deal.

    While I don’t mind Tomlinson, I would offer any and all of him, Chandler, Laurie, Baker and Melksham to get Larkey.

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    Incredibly, Zurhaar is not the last name to have played VFL/AFL when you list alphabetically.

    Anybody know who the last player is?  Or the first?  (No googling, now!)

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