27 minutes ago, binman said:

I still wonder how 1987 would have turned out if he didn't abandon the club and his brother. Turncoat. I was furious at the time. He still left.

 

I think he still hates the club.  Baastard

traiter in capitals

4 minutes ago, sue said:

Thanks - finally some actual evidence from someone who would know about his preferences. 

Thats a pretty big assumption

I don't talk to anyone in my family about career choices

2 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Just listen to his SEN interview. It’s all there for you from the horses mouth. 

4 weeks out from finals, he has said he is not even close to a decision, ramped up media attention, creating a bidding war and/or pressuring Melb to add some $ to his offer. 
 

I already listened to it. Answered questions openly. Said he is not close to a decision which is his absolute right.
The rest is your guess work/media rubbish

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Thats a pretty big assumption

I don't talk to anyone in my family about career choices

From the article: "I’ve spoken to him about it, I’ve tried to pick his brain."

 

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

From the article: "I’ve spoken to him about it, I’ve tried to pick his brain."

 

Fair enough. 

12 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Hamish Brayshaw: “If he leaves Melbourne it’ll be for a position in the midfield and on a pretty lofty contract.”

"...I don’t think he’d leave Melbourne without a midfield opportunity elsewhere.”

 

This backs up what @goodwindees was saying on here the other day wanting a lofty contract with more midfield time.

What it also shows that the rumours on here of him signing a new contract with an announcement this week is completely out of wack.

16 minutes ago, loges said:

....it doesn't mean he's unhappy playing defence but take the negative outlook if you must 

I never said he's not happy playing defence.  

“If they can go back-to-back, I think he’ll be content with the job that he’s done there and it will be a career move for him.

“I think if they get done this year it might be a chip on the block that he wants to go again.

 

Kind of a no loss situation for us supporters if Hamish Brayshaw is on the money with the above quote.

1 hour ago, martin said:

Why the need to go down 'media street' with all of this is baffling.  Destabilising and distracting. Serves no useful purpose. .Angus should politely decline all interviews or, at the very least, give bland responses. Clearly he has an ego . This is less than ideal 4 weeks out from a final series.

I'd say Gus is also using this phase to build a bigger media profile himself. Being a premiership player would open a number of doors, but players who want a media career post-footy need to build it while they play. Gawn and Trac already have a large presence, but I feel Gus is also looking at getting a foot in that door - with both his podcast and these interviews it show's him off. He'll be guided from his father and others, who I'm sure will be saying don't waste these negotiations to uplift his profile. 

Doesn't mean he's off at all, or that the club won't know what he's doing. But I'd say Gus is working this exactly like he and his team had planned.

They might be brothers but why is Hamish who is still involved with an AFL club, even commenting on the contract intentions of a key player at another club, especially when their other brother's club is trying to poach him.

 

 

 

For some reason I thought our players would make a pact to take less money and stay together to do something really special like other clubs who've won multiple premierships

Just now, one_demon said:

For some reason I thought our players would make a pact to take less money and stay together to do something really special like other clubs who've won multiple premierships

some have

not all, it would seem

Gun on ballers get 700k+. They are the driving force behind teams winning. Only talls get paid the same and that’s often due to scarcity and potential as much as talent.

Zac Williams left GWS to get a midfielders pay packet at Carlton. Turns out he hasn’t been fit enough to play on ball but that’s really a different story.

Half back flankers or wingers only approach the same pay packet if they are two way weapons. Salem at his best qualifies for that. Someone like Saad fits the bill. Or Brad Hill (in theory). Gus does not.

If Gus wants a bigger pay packet and bigger role that’s entirely reasonable. I wouldn’t begrudge him one bit. That’s entirely in line with my thoughts that he’s our 5th most important defender and can only be paid as such.

 

4 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

some have

not all, it would seem

Is there any evidence anyone has? All our extensions have been long deals, often taking guys well in to their 30’s. It’s not really a sacrifice when you’re giving up some short term money for incredible long term security that may well see a player overpaid at the back end of their deal. 

I think it’s a myth league wide too. Geelong lost Ablett, Richmond Rance and Hawthorn Buddy, that’s the 3 most expensive guys gone from those sides. Those sides also moved out players at times too, the Tigers moved on Ellis and multiple small forwards. Hawks moved on Mark Williams who was incredibly popular with fans.
 

I’m willing to believe players will take 10-20% less, possibly a bit more if there’s bonus years, I doubt anyones leaving bulk cash on the table out of good will. 

  

15 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

...he’s our 5th most important defender and can only be paid as such.

Yes but if he played inside mid, he may become an elite midfielder because that's his best position.  In other words, playing as a defender or winger is not a true reflection of his worth because he's not as well suited to those positions.

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by one_demon

The further this has gone on, the less I'm worried about him leaving. 

From a playing perspective, losing him never really bothered me. But from a leadership and culture perspective, I wanted him to stay. 

But hearing him speak yesterday, I don't think he's fabric at all. Fabric players never speak like that.

If him leaving meant we got another late first rounder, it would only help in our quest for sustained success. 

We need another crop of elite talent coming through so that once our current core hit the 27-28 age bracket, we'll have some young players also hitting some consistency. 

Really, it's the only way a team can stay up the top. A little pain for one year and a lot of gain for future years. 

We've got to keep looking forward. 

 

1 hour ago, binman said:

I used to care about players wanting to leave.

But not since Gerard Healy left the club to go to the Swans. Outside of Robbie, our best player in that team by a mile.

I still wonder how 1987 would have turned out if he didn't abandon the club and his brother. Turncoat. I was furious at the time. He still left.

Now i could care less - if Gus wants out, see you later.

He is not playing in our midfield. So if that's what he wants, its not going to happen  

I don't begrudge him trying to to maximize his contract, or explore his options.

But i would lose a bit of respect for him, as the great teams always have gun players who have to take a pay haircut to help the cause, Hodge being an example if IIRC. And are celebrated for that sacrifice post career. 

I took great satisfaction in flogging Sydney by 10 goals in the first semi that year for that very reason. Although he did buy me a beer for my 21st at LAX airport on the way home from the games we played in Vancouver a few weeks later. 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Summary?

I never used to blame my relatives for how handsome I was.

Its all very well for Brayshaw to claim the delay is about due diligence, but now would be a good time to provide a much needed lift in spirits for the supporters. A true Demon leader would recognise that fact and would have timed any announcement to propel his team through the hangover / doldrums that have descended. Angus isn't doing that, and I now believe Angus is waiting to season end to announce his departure.

 

Gus wants more money from an ego perspective, he thinks he's every bit as good as Trac and Oliver and he's waiting til Jackson is definitively leaving for the club to give him more dollars. He doesn't want to leave Melbourne.

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

“If they can go back-to-back, I think he’ll be content with the job that he’s done there and it will be a career move for him.

“I think if they get done this year it might be a chip on the block that he wants to go again.

Those comments from Hamish are getting lost in the discussion:

• Hamish thinks if we win another flag Gus will consider moving on.
• If we don't win the flag his 'chip on the block' ie his ego, will want to make stay for another go.

So we aren't likely to get an answer until our season is over.  It also indicates he will do his all to win us another flag.

This question isn't for you BBP but does anyone really doubt his commitment?  Two flags then a chance to set himself up for life financially.  I wouldn't begrudge him that.

 

Before folks go too hard on Gus, remember Viney didn't renew his contract, after considering other offers until our season was over.  No one doubts Jack's leadership or commitment, altho if I went back to the threads of the day the dialogue would be much like this thread.

We are second on the ladder with finals around the corner, lets enjoy it. 

50 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

The further this has gone on, the less I'm worried about him leaving. 

From a playing perspective, losing him never really bothered me. But from a leadership and culture perspective, I wanted him to stay. 

But hearing him speak yesterday, I don't think he's fabric at all. Fabric players never speak like that.

If him leaving meant we got another late first rounder, it would only help in our quest for sustained success. 

We need another crop of elite talent coming through so that once our current core hit the 27-28 age bracket, we'll have some young players also hitting some consistency. 

Really, it's the only way a team can stay up the top. A little pain for one year and a lot of gain for future years. 

We've got to keep looking forward. 

 

Great summary gadson. I too felt the same.

He used wording that never in a 100 years would come from viney gawn trac oliver .

38 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Its all very well for Brayshaw to claim the delay is about due diligence, but now would be a good time to provide a much needed lift in spirits for the supporters. A true Demon leader would recognise that fact and would have timed any announcement to propel his team through the hangover / doldrums that have descended. Angus isn't doing that, and I now believe Angus is waiting to season end to announce his departure.

 

Which is the right thing to do…

2 hours ago, binman said:

I used to care about players wanting to leave.

But not since Gerard Healy left the club to go to the Swans. Outside of Robbie, our best player in that team by a mile.

I still wonder how 1987 would have turned out if he didn't abandon the club and his brother. Turncoat. I was furious at the time. He still left.

Now i could care less - if Gus wants out, see you later.

He is not playing in our midfield. So if that's what he wants, its not going to happen  

I don't begrudge him trying to to maximize his contract, or explore his options.

But i would lose a bit of respect for him, as the great teams always have gun players who have to take a pay haircut to help the cause, Hodge being an example if IIRC. And are celebrated for that sacrifice post career. 

Spot on Binman, club is bigger than anyone at the end of the day. 

He's right about one thing though, it's one of the biggest decisions he'll ever make. Leaving a bit on the table to potentially be back for more premiership reunions or maximising that nest egg. The correct answer is not the same for everybody. 

30 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Those comments from Hamish are getting lost in the discussion:

• Hamish thinks if we win another flag Gus will consider moving on.
• If we don't win the flag his 'chip on the block' ie his ego, will want to make stay for another go.

So we aren't likely to get an answer until our season is over.  It also indicates he will do his all to win us another flag.

This question isn't for you BBP but does anyone really doubt his commitment?  Two flags then a chance to set himself up for life financially.  I wouldn't begrudge him that.

 

Before folks go too hard on Gus, remember Viney didn't renew his contract, after considering other offers until our season was over.  No one doubts Jack's leadership or commitment, altho if I went back to the threads of the day the dialogue would be much like this thread.

We are second on the ladder with finals around the corner, lets enjoy it. 

I wouldn't either.