24 minutes ago, Matt said:

Freo can only work with what they have

No that's not right

They made all the promises to LJ without having the trade currency to trade him in. They have had all year  to get this organised and now they will force us into a crappy deal

1 minute ago, Kent said:

No that's not right

They made all the promises to LJ without having the trade currency to trade him in. They have had all year  to get this organised and now they will force us into a crappy deal

I was meaning (at this point in time), Freo can only work with what they have. Doesn't mean we have to like it.

4 minutes ago, Kent said:

No that's not right

They made all the promises to LJ without having the trade currency to trade him in. They have had all year  to get this organised and now they will force us into a crappy deal

We have made it possible when needed, they have the tools available to do it, they are choosing not to. Simple as that. 

I am at the point with their [censored] poor trade deals that I would say to WC fire sale on Jackson. Next years first round pick, plus this years 2nd round. He said he would go to either club, see if that was genuine or a crock of [censored]. 

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1 hour ago, COOLX said:

Would Jackson care if the Dees receive pick 13 and a future first rounder from Freo for his services. OR would Jackson feel that his value is far less than what it is really is. If West Coast trade their 2nd rounder then they would be out of the trade deal . Perhaps Jackson could put pressure on Freo (via Bell)  by telling them if you want my services you have to ......... Jackson doesn't want to go into the footy trade pool. Perhaps he may consider staying.

Why would Jackson care what his trade collateral is? He knows how Freo value him in the most tangible way possible - the $$ they have promised

He could be traded for a new Laptop and a bag of redskins & I'm betting he'd still be happy with the $$ he's taking away to play footy from home 

This idea that he's going to shutter his future earnings just to repay us morally for having drafted & developed him is just nonsense.

choices:

• freo - unders
• west coast - not interested
• draft - nothing 
• re-sign - as if

you can see where this is going

1 minute ago, fr_ap said:

Why would Jackson care what his trade collateral is? He knows how Freo value him in the most tangible way possible - the $$ they have promised

He could be traded for a new Laptop and a bag of redskins & I'm betting he'd still be happy with the $$ he's taking away to play footy from home 

This idea that he's going to shutter his future earnings just to repay us morally for having drafted & developed him is just nonsense.

Yeah and I don't think Jackson could convince Bell to pony up on the draft capital. He's really got no say in how the trade develops 

Looking at the big picture, LJ was a windfall gain when we had a good side but crashed in one year. WA have been screwed over by the eastern states with the AFL set-up which destroyed their native competitions but made them travel across the land in planes to participate in the top tier competition. We were naive putting all our eggs in one basket. The king is dead, long live Brodie Grundy.

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

You assume in all this that Jackson had made his mind up prior to last year's trade period that he wanted to go home.

How do you know that? He was barely 20 years old last year's trade period. It's not exactly incredulous to think that he might not have known what he wanted to do at that age.

So long as he hadn't told us he had already made his mind up, we were always going to back ourselves in to convince him to stay. Who knows how likely or unlikely it was 12 months ago that he might have committed to a longer contract.

Also a little unreasonable to expect him to tell the club five minutes after having had a premiership medal hung around his neck  to make a decision on his long term future at the club when he's celebrating with his team mates.  

People seem to have conveniently forgotten that after we courted Cerra, Freo asked for Jackson in exchange and we knocked them back.  

Hey Freo, how about you give us what Luke Jackson is worth? How about that?

We need to put a clause in player contracts that says you can't ask for a trade to Freo.

2 minutes ago, bush demon said:

Looking at the big picture, LJ was a windfall gain when we had a good side but crashed in one year. WA have been screwed over by the eastern states with the AFL set-up which destroyed their native competitions but made them travel across the land in planes to participate in the top tier competition. We were naive putting all our eggs in one basket. The king is dead, long live Brodie Grundy.

They didn't have to join. We really should go back to the VFL and just poach the best WA talent when they're in their physical primes.

2 minutes ago, grazman said:

Also a little unreasonable to expect him to tell the club five minutes after having had a premiership medal hung around his neck  to make a decision on his long term future at the club when he's celebrating with his team mates.  

People seem to have conveniently forgotten that after we courted Cerra, Freo asked for Jackson in exchange and we knocked them back.  

Oh wow. I had forgotten that. Sliding doors moment.

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

Hey Freo, how about you give us what Luke Jackson is worth? How about that?

 

What did we give for langdon? He was ooc and had two consecutive top 5 finishes in their b&f. 

If it was unders I'm sure they're bringing it up as a reference point. 

 

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1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

What Jackson can do is [censored] Freo and sign the dotted line with us

that ship has sailed. he's going home

Not sure how pick 13 is compensation for a 200cm premiership 20yo ruckman, would be the biggest shafting for the MFC 

20 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

What did we give for langdon? He was ooc and had two consecutive top 5 finishes in their b&f. 

If it was unders I'm sure they're bringing it up as a reference point. 

 

Strangely enough we could easily have taken Langdon through the PSD but we gave 22, our 2020 second rounder and 79.

Reasonable for an 11 -15 ranked player

PS: They gave us 26 so it was cheap in retrospect

Wonder who they took with our 2020 second rounder (it would have been around 26 I suspect)

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Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

Strangely enough we could easily have taken Langdon through the PSD but we gave 22, our 2020 second rounder and 79.

Reasonable for an 11 -15 ranked player

They sent a second back too iirc?

There was some deal that year from us that essentially gave them both young and serong. Let them get two picks in before a henry bid. Serong would've been playing for Carlton otherwise. They should be thanking us. 

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I was meaning (at this point in time), Freo can only work with what they have. Doesn't mean we have to like it.

Nah that isn’t right.  I tell you one way to CHANGE what you have - trade Lobb.  They’ve options, choosing not to progress them.

4 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Nah that isn’t right.  I tell you one way to CHANGE what you have - trade Lobb.  They’ve options, choosing not to progress them.

Lobb at this stage is getting them pick 30. That's essentially their F2. It doesn't open up anything. 

Lobb only becomes relevant when dogs trade dunkley. 

3 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

They sent a second back too iirc?

There was some deal that year from us that essentially gave them both young and serong. Let them get two picks in before a henry bid. Serong would've been playing for Carlton otherwise. They should be thanking us. 

Freo also gave us pick 26 in the Langdon deal (which we bundled up with our future (2020) first round pick to North - pick 13 in the end)

In exchange we got pick 8 from North which we used on Kossie

n.b. pick 8 eventually became pick 12 after academic & F/S picks

Effectively we got Langdon cheap ... one pick in the low 20's

 

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

Freo also gave us pick 26 in the Langdon deal (which we bundled up with our future (2020) first round pick to North - pick 13 in the end)

In exchange we got pick 8 from North which we used on Kossie

n.b. pick 8 eventually became pick 12 after academic & F/S picks

Effectively we got Langdon cheap ... one pick in the low 20's

 

Freo traded their pick 10 and Adelaide's second (f2?) for pick 8. So at the end of the day they ended up giving us two second round picks and langdon for a two point upgrade. 

1 minute ago, mmwd6 said:

Freo traded their pick 10 and Adelaide's second (f2?) for pick 8. So at the end of the day they ended up giving us two second round picks and langdon for a two point upgrade. 

I wonder if they (Freo) have got the Hogan trade & Langdon trade in the back of their minds right now.  Or front & centre of their thoughts

They lost out both times so they might view offering pick 13 & F1 as being fair trade for Jackson

This episode highlights the danger of letting players run down their contracts. You end up relying on good faith negotiations with the likes of Peter bellend.   We have no leverage. It’ll be 13 and their f1.  

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So if they don't offer picks, surely player get involved.

Jackson's manager initiated this so he needs to sort it out.

Otherwise Jacko walks or re-signs.

Don't take unders. Make a stand