20 hours ago, Smokey said:

Sam is the young forward for the long run. We've put years of development into him and he's finally starting to fire. Why lose him just to pick up another "young forward" we need to put years of development in to? Yeah, nah. 

When has he started to fire? VFL he has always been good. The last two years Goodwin needed him to take marks, run and convert. Couldn't come through on one of those areas. The reason we got Ben Brown and the reason Tom Mcdonald are firing is because Weideman was letting down the entire structure of the team. 

He aint going anywhere. 

Why would you leave a club you've been at thats finally competing and will for the next 5 years?

One injury to either Jackson, Brown or Tmac and he's in

 If he keeps on kicking a few in the Seconds may be able to trade for a pick 20/30, otherwise keep as injury insurance.

Reminds me a lot of David Cordner  who struggled to play fifty games or so.

 

MFCSS has me screaming to find a spot in the team for Weideman so he doesn’t crack the sads playing in the VFL and leave. 

But logic says he’s just going to have to wait. I think he’s a kid with a good head on his shoulders who understands how it is. His injury came at a most inopportune time, he’s behind two legitimate AFL key forwards. His time WILL come - we’re only 1/3 of the way in to a long season. Surely, he sees that he’s valuable, and he wants to be a part of what we’re up to in the long run.

Would he prefer to go to a non-contender for game time that comes more easily, or does he back himself to break in to the team here? 

Weid will get a chance at some stage but in reality the sides that Weid has played against this year have provided Casey with a percentage of 269

Can see Fritsch missing this week and Weideman coming in. They are not dissimilar in style and Fritta looked like he was unwell or carrying an injury on Saturday night. 

37 minutes ago, loges said:

Weid will get a chance at some stage but in reality the sides that Weid has played against this year have provided Casey with a percentage of 269

Weid has had a few opportunities to impress at senior level

Unfortuantly he failed to some degree and this has made his transition even harder

He has to work hard, improve some glaring deficiencies in his game and be patient

Note what goody says in the video where JJ is announced as rising star nominee.  ‘JJ spent 2 years developing in the VFL. Those of you playing VFL can learn that honing your craft in the VFL sets you up for success im the AFL’.....

a comment to Weids as much as the whole group, I would think....

50 minutes ago, PartyTimeJohnny said:

When has he started to fire? VFL he has always been good. The last two years Goodwin needed him to take marks, run and convert. Couldn't come through on one of those areas. The reason we got Ben Brown and the reason Tom Mcdonald are firing is because Weideman was letting down the entire structure of the team. 

Nonsense.

TMac's resurgence has zero relation to Weideman, or Brown for that matter (other than healthy competition for a place in the team). And Brown was recruited to partner Weideman, not TMac.

Also, the Weid's shown plenty of signs, but it's revisionist to suggest that he's performed consistently in the VFL before now. In 2017, he kicked 14 goals from 14 games (6 came in one match). He kicked a couple of bags in 2018, but had other games where he couldn't get near it. 2019 was ruined by injury. That's not a knock on him, just the reality for most young key forwards.

Last year was his first real run at it. And he performed damn well for the most part - despite an awful final month of the season, he averaged 1.5 goals per game overall - ranked #13 league wide. 

He's on the cusp of becoming a gun key forward. They don't grow on trees. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Note what goody says in the video where JJ is announced as rising star nominee.  ‘JJ spent 2 years developing in the VFL. Those of you playing VFL can learn that honing your craft in the VFL sets you up for success im the AFL’.....

I noticed that as well - its a good message for the boys.

We are also are presuming that Weeds is doing everything asked of him in the VFL, there is a very real possibility that he isnt showing one aspect of his game that the Coaches have asked of him. It was interesting in the post match interview Goody was asked about Weeds and he said something along the lines of 'its a team sport and Weeds knows that'. 

as a matter of interest, how many games has weed played in the vfl over his first five years with the club? he's obviously had 50-odd afl games, but what about lower level down?

i think it's easy to forget how little he's actually had; missed a lot of underage footy too

he's had some super weird injuries over the journey

2 hours ago, PartyTimeJohnny said:

When has he started to fire? VFL he has always been good. The last two years Goodwin needed him to take marks, run and convert. Couldn't come through on one of those areas. The reason we got Ben Brown and the reason Tom Mcdonald are firing is because Weideman was letting down the entire structure of the team. 

Are you able to show me another time Sam has kicked 14 goals in 3 consecutive games in the VFL? If not, the answer to your question is right now. 

This conversation has been had ad-nauseum, but I'll say it again - key forwards take time to develop. Sam is coming into the what should be the beginning of his prime. Most great forwards don't become great until at least 5 or 6 years in the system. There is an abundance of examples available on this. Tom Hawkins comes to mind, in his first 5 season he was floating around the 20-30 goals a year mark, then kicked 62 in his 6th season. 

From a list management perspective, are you expecting BB and Tmac to be fully fit and to be our number 1 and 2 key forwards for the next 5 years? Nope, they're too old for that. Even in the immediate term, what other depth do we have for key forwards? Mitch Brown wont be getting a contract next year. 

You say the reason we got Ben Brown was because Sam was letting down our structures? Is that your inside knowledge talking or just your opinion? It sounds ridiculous to me, because it was pretty clear at the time that we got Ben Brown as the number 1 to play alongside Sam, not Tom. We tried to trade Tmac, remember? 

Key forwards don't grow on tree's, letting Sam go would be an enormous gamble that I don't think we can afford to make. I don't see the value proposition in any case. 

btw who are all these club doing the circling. i don't doubt it but i also don't see much detail or evidence

seems, at this stage, more media driven with a ton of speculation

Anyone else concerned about Ben B's ground speed, just a question?

9 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Anyone else concerned about Ben B's ground speed, just a question?

He was great last Saturday Night 

will only get better 

2 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Anyone else concerned about Ben B's ground speed, just a question?

It’s a major concern, but the thing is Weid isn’t any better.

There’s room for 1 big guy who can clunk a mark and doesn’t get out marked, but otherwise coaches will favour mobile tall options who can do more. Ie. Jackson, T Mc, Fritsch.

The advantage Brown has over Weideman is he has much more advanced leading patterns.

Sam took a step forward in doing that last year but to be a consistent AFL player and overcome his lack of athleticism he has to be even sharper. And at peak fitness, and consistently brave in the air and with his agility at the best it can be. As good as his Casey form has been I still think he’s got improvement in him. 

TMac is up and about, playing with focus and aggression for ball and opposition, Weideman should be taking note, and upping his agro accordingly, as he's struggled to produce that level of intent for 4 quarters consistently in his career. i.e. learn to play angry.

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16 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Anyone else concerned about Ben B's ground speed, just a question?

nope, he got up the ground and back fine

41 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Anyone else concerned about Ben B's ground speed, just a question?

No. He’s in the team to kick goals, which he does. 132 games for 292 goals is more goals then all our forwards combined. 

Club had the choice Weid or McKay

They preferred Weid

If he performs then its a good choice but he is simply not performing well enough to push Fritter out at the moment

Thing that disappoints me is his lack of aggression  for a big man in his 5th year

3 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Note what goody says in the video where JJ is announced as rising star nominee.  ‘JJ spent 2 years developing in the VFL. Those of you playing VFL can learn that honing your craft in the VFL sets you up for success im the AFL’.....

a comment to Weids as much as the whole group, I would think....

And to the many on here who wanted JJ delisted last year.

4 hours ago, PartyTimeJohnny said:

The reason we got Ben Brown and the reason Tom Mcdonald are firing is because Weideman was letting down the entire structure of the team. 

Interesting perspective.

This is fun to read now. 

Future 4th rounder is about a fair trade right now. I’d happily swap Weideman out. Why get Brown ?  They play the same role.  

They can have him. Has to be the softest KPF in the league.