On 17/08/2021 at 15:04, Fanatique Demon said:

Without the skill.

Grinter was one of the most skilful players we had in the past 50 years. He could take a speccy, had clean ball handling skills and his kicking was Travis Johnstone standard.

Edited August 18, 20213 yr by John Crow Batty

  On 17/08/2021 at 23:33, monoccular said:

That is how I recall the incident - rather like  "clumsy" Hawkins or Mumford wild swing with a bad outcome.

Is anyone able to show the footage.

At about the 11 minute mark of this video.

 

Didn't look too much in it from my perspective - clumsy but hardly much else 

Saw Clarry get a chop to the neck a few weeks back, had to come off and struggling to breath - play on ! 

Cox apparently injured and all of of a sudden Daw has committed an act worthy of suspension - don't see it myself

  On 17/08/2021 at 12:43, rjay said:

Yep, you really can't make that assumption 'Ethan'...agreed.

...but it was an unusual incident, maybe payback for something earlier in the game.

Well Demonland posters are always making assumptions without any evidence.  Its because they don't understand epistomology and logic.

Hopefully it was just a brain fade by Majak a bit like Paddy McCartin earlier in the year.

  

  On 18/08/2021 at 00:19, Cranky Franky said:

Well Demonland posters are always making assumptions without any evidence.  Its because they don't understand epistomology and logic.

Hopefully it was just a brain fade by Majak a bit like Paddy McCartin earlier in the year.

  

*epistemology

Edited August 18, 20213 yr by daisycutter

  On 17/08/2021 at 14:05, dee-tox said:

Bulltish.

Ball was in play/dispute. Grinter was about a second too late connecting with the pill.

As a spectator I was about 30 metres from the incident.

The TV replays do Grinter no favours. 

 

The umpire was only a few yards away, looking straight at the incident. No report. No Footscray players remonstrated.

Is this thread about Majak or Grinter?  Can we keep it remotely on subject pls guys, really no need to be going off track every 2nd post! Has zero to do with Wallace/Grinter incident, not even similar lmao!

  On 17/08/2021 at 10:36, Demonstone said:

What Grinter did was indefensible.

It was a dirty, unprovoked coat-hanger behind the play that caused serious damage to Wallace.   

It wasn't behind the play.

It is a strange incident and the perpetrator is generally not involved in aggressive incidents to my memory.

The ball is bounced and the two of them compete without contact, then inexplicably, Daw goes over to Cox and swings an arm at his shoulder neck region. Daw then continues to glare at Cox. Cox does not retaliate at all.

The first question is: did that arm swing cause an injury and if so what?

The next question is: what caused Daw to swing his arm at Cox?

According to the Pies the injury was caused in play earlier.

If this occurred in a game without injury to the victim, it would be a free kick, nothing more, as we saw in the Yeo hit on Kozzie, a week or so ago.  Yeo's action was clearly harder and rougher than Daw's.

The way the MRO and Tribunal have been going, I would not be surprised if he was given life.

 

Edited August 18, 20213 yr by Redleg

How do these incidents get before the MRO/tribunal?

Especially in an unofficial match.

Does every match get reviewed by MRO or a panel who report to MRO?

Does anyone with a barrow to push get an incident on twitter and hope for an uproar?

If the AFL are not reviewing every match dispassionately and instead rely on media or social media to bring it to their attention, then it would further illustrate just how degenerate the competition has become.

 

  On 18/08/2021 at 03:28, Mazer Rackham said:

How do these incidents get before the MRO/tribunal?

Especially in an unofficial match.

Does every match get reviewed by MRO or a panel who report to MRO?

Does anyone with a barrow to push get an incident on twitter and hope for an uproar?

If the AFL are not reviewing every match dispassionately and instead rely on media or social media to bring it to their attention, then it would further illustrate just how degenerate the competition has become.

 

The Article in the OP says the following;

Throughout 2020 and 2021, games have been played in the right spirit, with players understanding the more casual nature of the contests compared to full-on VFL matches.

There has also been considerably less video footage of games, increasing the responsibility on players to avoid committing reportable offences.

The nature of this non-sanctioned match means all incidents fall outside Match Review Officer Michael Christian’s remit. Instead, stand-in footy operations manager Andrew Dillon and his team will deal with it.

Daw was not immediately cited for his strike on Cox, though the AFL became aware of it on Tuesday.

If the AFL uses the MRO’s grading system, the Demons rookie – who signed in March with the club – could cop a multi-week suspension.

  On 18/08/2021 at 03:42, roy11 said:

Daw was not immediately cited for his strike on Cox, though the AFL became aware of it on Tuesday.

The question is, how did they become aware of it?

Did they bother to review it themselves?

  On 18/08/2021 at 03:55, Mazer Rackham said:

The question is, how did they become aware of it?

Did they bother to review it themselves?

how? suspect it was our good buddy, tom? he even supplied the max penalties. very thorough is our tom....

This is of course all uniformed speculation off recorded footage, but so odd in appearance.

Daw has his eyes totally on the ball at the bounce, and doesn't look particularly aggrieved. The rucks don't aggressively crash into each other or even really make contact. After he flies past it, Cox is searching for the fall of the ball and doesn't seem to utter a word. Yet, as the play breaks from the pack, Majak turns toward him and gives an arm around the neck followed by a shove. 

He does this right in front of the umpire (who doesn't award a free), while Mason looks honestly confused and upset as to what has happened, but doesn't physically respond. They exchange a few, not particularly heated words but neither go on with it. 

If someone had said anything upsetting enough to me that I would clobber them from behind, I'd probably be likely to go on with it a bit. At least grab them by the jumper and shout a few choice words back. Impossible to tell, but Daw didn't look upset prior to the incident, and it doesn't seem like Cox had the time or care to issue a sledge during the bounce and next half-contest. 

The only two possible explanations I can come up with are that, with the ball being on the blind-side of the pack, daw thought Cox was receiving and charged in with a clumsy tackle, with the shove just a secondary reaction after finding himself in an unanticipated 'stoush'. He does sort of go on with two arms, but with the stiff arm tackling technique I was taught as a kid. 

Otherwise, there's a brief moment where as Cox turns toward the pack after the bounce, his arm flays back in the direction of Daw's head. It's possible Daw thought Cox was taking a minor swing, or was at least being clumsy with loose arms. The sort of response that occurred afterwards, if intentional, is more fitting in this scenario. 

 

 

 

Just saw the clip of the Majak incident. What a beat up! Not even worth citing, let alone four weeks as Tom Browne suggested. It’s basically a careless arm around the shoulder. The media should be ashamed of themselves for trying to make it a story. Pathetic parasitic scum. 

  On 17/08/2021 at 09:43, Earl Hood said:

As an aside have I missed something? I only found out today that we had a scratch match last week from my wife, a Hawks supporter when she received a full match rundown from the Hawthorn Club site! Nothing from our club site! Been very poor on Comms this year I think. 
 

 

Just on that scratch match Earl, Ben Gibson touched on it very briefly on the Gus and Gawny podcast. Jones, Weid and Chandler were 3 of the stronger performers on the day according to club sources. Viney also played.

  On 18/08/2021 at 05:32, Dee Zephyr said:

Viney also played.

Interesting...must have been played after the AFL Sunday afternoon match (unless they got an exemption)

  On 18/08/2021 at 05:37, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting...must have been played after the AFL Sunday afternoon match (unless they got an exemption)

The only thing Gawny mentioned DJ was we didn’t break any rules and Viney was allowed to play, just like Danger was allowed to play in scratch matches when he was suspended.

  On 18/08/2021 at 05:48, Dee Zephyr said:

The only thing Gawny mentioned DJ was we didn’t break any rules and Viney was allowed to play, just like Danger was allowed to play in scratch matches when he was suspended.

It’s only match simulation so it’s viewed as training, as no one is awarded 4 points.

You can bet the standard of umpiring is better though.

  On 18/08/2021 at 01:44, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

The umpire was only a few yards away, looking straight at the incident. No report. No Footscray players remonstrated.

I understand that Wallace wasn't liked by his teammates.

  On 17/08/2021 at 09:06, Dee Zephyr said:

Is Majak in trouble for a swinging arm on Mason Cox from last weekend?

Exclusive: Majak Daw in hot water over swinging arm that ended Mason Cox’s season

Nahhhh, safe as houses - didn't really hit him and let go rather quickly in synch with the the play of the ball. It is also a duplicate of how Hawkins plays, week in - week out - so it must be OK. 

Whichever way you look at it, it was dumb football. 

Edited August 18, 20213 yr by maximum bob

Spoke to Maj about the incident... & we had a laugh about it.

Lol what a [censored] beat up. 

  On 18/08/2021 at 00:08, John Crow Batty said:

  On 17/08/2021 at 15:04, Fanatique Demon said:

Without the skill.

Grinter was one of the most skilful players we had in the past 50 years. He could take a speccy, had clean ball handling skills and his kicking was Travis Johnstone standard.

Sure. I didn’t say he had no skill. I said he didn’t have the skill of Crosswell and Rhys-Jones. You may still disagree and slap your faces, but that’s how I remember the three of them.

  On 17/08/2021 at 10:50, dieter said:

Indefensible or not, it was bread and butter stuff in those AFL days. Grinter's coat hanger was de rigeuer, especially when practiced by many Hawthorn players.

Just look at Mathews and the Geelong player (?) at least the ball was within an arms length of Wallace