Mac Andrew

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48 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He'll go top 18, but we'd either take someone else or swap picks with the club at pick 20 in a lopsided deal on the proviso that they didn't take him. Only if they refused to deal that pick 20 and we rated Mac as our highest on our board would we take him.

We'd take a player at 19 and make sure we get 2 highly rated players any day of the week rather than worrying about late picks.

If we had to match pick 21 for Mac, it costs us about pick 28's value of 677 points. We can do that with 37 and 49, because 37 might be about the same and 49 will be around 40 after the Daicos/Darcy picks are all used up, that's about 900 points. We'd end up matching the bid and getting back a pick in the 50's that along with our other pick in the 50's should easily be fine to match Woey.

We'd end up with 2 top 20 picks and Woey which is probably the clubs aim anyway.

They won't be able to get up to 20 but I'm expecting the club tries to trade up their picks as is so we end up with 2 highly rated players and Woey. 3 picks in the top 40 odd and Woey as a rookie would be even better but there seems to be enough buzz about him going in the back half of the draft.

Upgrading rookies doesn't require picks these days, that's why the AFL stopped listing endless amounts of picks. Players can also spend a 4th year on the rookie list. Chandler and Jordon are fine, there's no issue of them staying on lists.

 

 

 

Right, thanks for that, I forgot about the discount we get on points for an NGA hence why I thought we’d chew up all three of our picks. 
On upgrading rookies though, so you don’t need to use a pick to do it but it counts towards your mandatory 3 picks in the draft?

From the AFL details on rookies for 2022:

”Meanwhile, clubs have been told they will have to again select a minimum of three players at the NAB AFL Draft after last year only needing to take one because of list reductions. The three live picks can include promoted rookies (before or after the national draft), national draft picks and pre-season draft selections.”

Thats new, but good, I was wondering where all those old picks in the 100s had disappeared to.

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3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He'll go top 18, but we'd either take someone else or swap picks with the club at pick 20 in a lopsided deal on the proviso that they didn't take him. Only if they refused to deal that pick 20 and we rated Mac as our highest on our board would we take him.

We'd take a player at 19 and make sure we get 2 highly rated players any day of the week rather than worrying about late picks.

If we had to match pick 21 for Mac, it costs us about pick 28's value of 677 points. We can do that with 37 and 49, because 37 might be about the same and 49 will be around 40 after the Daicos/Darcy picks are all used up, that's about 900 points. We'd end up matching the bid and getting back a pick in the 50's that along with our other pick in the 50's should easily be fine to match Woey.

We'd end up with 2 top 20 picks and Woey which is probably the clubs aim anyway.

They won't be able to get up to 20 but I'm expecting the club tries to trade up their picks as is so we end up with 2 highly rated players and Woey. 3 picks in the top 40 odd and Woey as a rookie would be even better but there seems to be enough buzz about him going in the back half of the draft.

Upgrading rookies doesn't require picks these days, that's why the AFL stopped listing endless amounts of picks. Players can also spend a 4th year on the rookie list. Chandler and Jordon are fine, there's no issue of them staying on lists.

 

 

 

AFL will not let this kind of deal get through, too close to draft tampering, nor would I trust any other club that agreed to do this on the sly. 

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58 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

AFL will not let this kind of deal get through, too close to draft tampering, nor would I trust any other club that agreed to do this on the sly. 

In 2019 we traded pick 8 to Freo for pick 10, pick 28 and a future 4th round pick to make sure they could get ahead of academy bids for Liam Henry. It was a very generous deal. 

We could trade 19 to 20 with Brisbane, in exchange for 54 for 57, not much the AFL could really argue with that. Brisbane get ahead of us to pick the best non Mac player they like, we get Mac and the highest player on our board. Everyone's happy. If Brisbane don't want to do it then we know they want Mac so we take him. Clubs do this kind of stuff all the time with academy bids. Look at Tom Green not being picked by the Crows after they did a 2 for 1 deal with GWS. 

Anyway, it all relies on Mac getting through to the top 18 picks and that's not going to happen according to those in the know in the recruiting industry.

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It was interesting to hear that Marc McGowen seemed to think he could go as high as top 5, I will admit I know little about this guy but it sounds like he’s being pumped up beyond what he should be realistically looked at. I hope he’s not going to become one of those players that the media hypes and hypes, when really he should be going 2nd round and given 3+ years to develop his craft. 

[whatwhat say what 22,757]

firming for gw$ first pick from all reports - they'll nominate darcy and daicos, which will be matched, then they'll pick andrew with pick 4

i suppose the thing to remember is that it's essentially a 'free hit' for them as they also hold their own pick later in the first round, which andrew is unlikely to make it through too - better to guarantee the player you want early than miss out on him

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,735]

23 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

The thing I don't really understand, in the past a player with similar attributes to Mac would be seen as a riskier pick and likely fall in the 20-40 range.

He has shown some great skills and attributes in his highlights reel, but that's the thing, it is only highlights.

In 6 NAB league games Mac has the following averages:

12.7 disposals 

2.7 marks

1.7 tackles

1.5 inside 50s

12.7 hitouts

0.3 goals

In comparison in the 2019 colts season Luke Jackson had the following from 8 games:

18.6 disposals

3.1 marks

2.3 tackles

Inside 50s - unknown

32.6 hitouts

1 goal

There's a fairly large difference between the two and they are saying Mac is a top 10 pick.

I'm definitely not saying he will be a dud, I'm just pointing out that I think if he goes inside the top 10 it will be a reach from a club and probably due to panic that because of what Jackson has done teams want to rush out to find a ruck/forward.

Thought I'd also touch on Sam Darcy who had the following averages from 3 NAB league matches:

16 disposals

6.3 marks

6 hitouts

1 tackle

0.3 goals

He did have 6 goals in a Vic metro v Vic country match, which is why I think he is going so high.

But again, those stats are similar to Mac and you could probably argue Mac is ahead other than that state based game.

My personal view is neither would have been a top 10 pick in a draft that was strong on key talls.

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On 10/10/2021 at 4:01 PM, CityDee said:

We need a replacement for Gawn - perfect for Big Mac to be his understudy and take the mantle in 3 years or so . Perhaps a 3 prong attack with Jackson Gawn and Big mac . 

awesome.

 

Everyone declares that ruckmen take time to develop. Surely Mac is allowed to do that, too? In such a developmental time, if we can recruit him, he'd most likely become a tall forward learning the Demon crafts and team roles as well as possible - and sometime in the future, graduate to a key rucking role as this development settles into something that his potential strongly suggests.

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38 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

firming for gw$ first pick from all reports - they'll nominate darcy and daicos, which will be matched, then they'll pick andrew with pick 4

If that’s the case then it’s a massive reach. But hey, kudos to GWS it’s not as if Mummy is getting any younger.
 

Even if we were entitled to match the bid, I wouldn’t be overly keen at selecting him so high, as there are much better players ready to help us now (in our ‘premiership window’). 

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1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

firming for gw$ first pick from all reports - they'll nominate darcy and daicos, which will be matched, then they'll pick andrew with pick 4

i suppose the thing to remember is that it's essentially a 'free hit' for them as they also hold their own pick later in the first round, which andrew is unlikely to make it through too - better to guarantee the player you want early than miss out on him

That's Luke Jackson territory - he'd want to be good!

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38 minutes ago, old55 said:

That's Luke Jackson territory - he'd want to be good!

That’s the thing, what little I have seen of him looks like he’s got potential and athletic capabilities, but to be in the same ballpark as Dogga is a big call on him. 

[durango 2,007]

In the case of Luke Jackson remember 2020 he played 1st Ruck when Gawn got injured against Adelaide and unfortunately got injured himself and ended his season.

Mac Andrew is tall and mobile but has at least 3-4 years development required before he is ready to play AFL regularly.

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2 hours ago, durango said:

In the case of Luke Jackson remember 2020 he played 1st Ruck when Gawn got injured against Adelaide and unfortunately got injured himself and ended his season.

Mac Andrew is tall and mobile but has at least 3-4 years development required before he is ready to play AFL regularly.

I don't agree.

Just because he is 200cm doesn't mean he has to play first ruck. After one or two pre-seasons he could be played in a number of roles. He could be a great intercept defender given his pace and athleticism. He could do a Jackson and play as a third tall and ruck part-time in the forward 50. 

He could even make a great full back or full forward.

Ultimately, like Jackson he will ruck at times. He is a very good basketballer which seems to be a good trait for ruckmen. 

While supporters tend to pigeonhole players into positions, AFL coaches are less inclined to do so. This three or four years waiting is nonsense.

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1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

I don't agree.

Just because he is 200cm doesn't mean he has to play first ruck. After one or two pre-seasons he could be played in a number of roles. He could be a great intercept defender given his pace and athleticism. He could do a Jackson and play as a third tall and ruck part-time in the forward 50. 

He could even make a great full back or full forward.

Ultimately, like Jackson he will ruck at times. He is a very good basketballer which seems to be a good trait for ruckmen. 

While supporters tend to pigeonhole players into positions, AFL coaches are less inclined to do so. This three or four years waiting is nonsense.

Remind me where I said what position Mac Andrew would play.

Sometimes you should at least read the text and then comment.

You don't agree he is tall and mobile.

Or you don't agree he needs 3-4 years development.

Edited October 21, 2021 by durango

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3 hours ago, dee-tox said:

While supporters tend to pigeonhole players into positions, AFL coaches are less inclined to do so. This three or four years waiting is nonsense.

Most of the draft experts in the media and on the ‘net are saying this literally in the same breath as they are pumping him up as a top 10 draft pick.

[Whispering_Jack 30,140]

This is a very engaging Mac Andrew interview on You Tube

 

[Demons11 7,014]

On 10/21/2021 at 8:58 AM, whatwhat say what said:

firming for gw$ first pick from all reports - they'll nominate darcy and daicos, which will be matched, then they'll pick andrew with pick 4

i suppose the thing to remember is that it's essentially a 'free hit' for them as they also hold their own pick later in the first round, which andrew is unlikely to make it through too - better to guarantee the player you want early than miss out on him

There is no chance they pick him at 4 in my opinion.  The kid is talented but pick is way to high and a huge risk.  I reckon he will be still be available for their 2nd pick.  I think it’s around 12 or 13

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6 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

There is no chance they pick him at 4 in my opinion.  The kid is talented but pick is way to high and a huge risk.  I reckon he will be still be available for their 2nd pick.  I think it’s around 12 or 13

all an irrelevancy for the mfc, ultimately, as he ain't gonna be around at our selection

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53 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

This is a very engaging Mac Andrew interview on You Tube

 

Thanks for sharing clip. I wonder how much contact(relationship building) we have been having with Mac over the past few months. Apart from Richmond who other posters have pointed out already have lots of project rucks it’s mainly interstate clubs who are being linked with him. 
If we already have a strong connection with him there has to be a fear from interstate clubs about the go hone factor. In two years time he could be out of contract and yet to play much AFL footy which would surely put us in a strong position. Having Maxxy and Jackson to learn off should also be a big draw card. 

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1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

all an irrelevancy for the mfc, ultimately, as he ain't gonna be around at our selection

Not necessarily, traditionally big blokes do have a habit of sliding.

[adonski 12,143]

You'd think with a name like McAndrew he'd be of Irish decent 

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I don't get GCS using a top draft pick for someone who is unlikely to make an impact for several years.  They need more ruck support now if they have any hope of climbing the ladder.  Also, he isn't really a buddy/replacement if King returns to Victoria at the end of 2022.

Even if they split pick three for a lower pick (and a future 1st) they will still be using a top 8-12 pick to draft Andrew. 

From afar, their interest doesn't make a lot of sense.

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[BDA 22,755]

If you were to pick 2 clubs we would want him to go to it would be the Giants and Freo. Suns as well. Let them develop him for a couple of years before he comes home to us.

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37 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Drivel article.  Some [censored] heard…. Freo would be ‘keeping tabs’ on every player, not just MA.  Twomey creates news at this time of year - GWS may have an ‘interest’ but that doesn't mean he will be best available at their pick.  They also just picked up Brander form WCE for the same role.  

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17 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Drivel article.  Some [censored] heard…. Freo would be ‘keeping tabs’ on every player, not just MA.  Twomey creates news at this time of year - GWS may have an ‘interest’ but that doesn't mean he will be best available at their pick.  They also just picked up Brander form WCE for the same role.  

It's not going to win the Pulitzer prize but I think a bit of draft speculation around the time of the draft is fine. Haselby would have strong Freo connections and be trying to get a read on who they like.

GWS loved Luke Jackson, hardly a surprise they'd be keen on Mac and they are stocked with A grade mids, they can easily justify moving around the draft board by trading back or moving their 2nd pick up. Swapping back with Hawthorn and Adelaide both make a lot of sense.

Saying Brander is coming in for the same role as Mac is a bit like saying why did Melbourne draft Luke Jackson in 2019 when we bought in Mitch Brown. There's a bit difference between versatile depth talls and a hyper athletic extra midfielder ruck prospect.