TEAMS: Rd 19 vs Western Bulldogs

[monoccular 17,428]

1 hour ago, In Harmes Way said:

I love Jack Viney at his best. IMO, he hasn’t built back to his best form yet and looks to lack a bit of pace. If you look at his stats on AFL, he is above average/elite in tackling and pressure acts, but average to below average in most other stats areas. His season average possessions are 20 (10 kicks) and 5 of these are turnovers;  60% disposal eff overall (a further 3 possessions not effective).  Not intended as a slap, as you say he bleeds red and blue like us, but we really need him to build for finals.

Maybe I notice him more because I hold him to a higher standard.

One wonders whether, had VFL been up and running, would JV have had a week or two there?  
But given that it is not then he needs match conditioning and AFL  is the only place offering that right now. 

[dazzledavey36 54,936]

39 minutes ago, adonski said:

Would love to know the footy department's thoughts on Gus. Do they genuinely not rate him highly so they stick him wherever on the basis he's simply better than the next best available player who is out of the side? Never understood taking him out of the midfield rotation.  

I'm truly confused myself. 

Logic would say you play him in the position that made him finish 3rd in the brownlow right? Yet we prefer a plodder like Viney.

If we are going to continue to [censored] fart around with him like this, then just trade him. 

He'd made a decent career playing in his suitable position.

[dazzledavey36 54,936]

7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

One wonders whether, had VFL been up and running, would JV have had a week or two there?  
But given that it is not then he needs match conditioning and AFL  is the only place offering that right now. 

The VFL was up and running when Jack returned against the Don's.

 

[1964_2 2,357]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The VFL was up and running when Jack returned against the Don's.

 

Goody has a weakness for tough inside midfielders that torch the footy. We know they are his fav’s :-  hopefully Chocko + oooze are helping him get over his obsession. 
 

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, Ham said:

Don't rate that at all. Harmes needs to go to Libba. 

This is the way

[Nascent 9,212]

From memory the doggies have a bit of form playing funny buggers at selection. Would expect to see one of their talls being a late out.

[adonski 12,132]

3 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

This is the way

Unfortunately with Viney back, he'll get the job

[DubDee 25,862]

I was on the phone to a mad dogs supporter when the teams came out. 

I started laughing when I saw the teams and told him Schache was in. He yelled [censored]! So loud. ?

desperation from Bevo. Bring on Sat night

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Luke Jackson is very very lucky..

There's not really any obvious replacement banging the door down though Dazzle? 

Especially given there's no door to bang down thanks to the VFL not bringing in the big $$ and getting the chop courtesy of Gil & Co.

[DeezNuts 624]

6 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

Happy to see Harmes back, but disappointed to lose AVB

Was far from our worst last weekend.

 

Agree, AVB could’ve been the perfect guy to protect Salem while Harmes goes after Libba

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

7 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm truly confused myself. 

Logic would say you play him in the position that made him finish 3rd in the brownlow right? Yet we prefer a plodder like Viney.

If we are going to continue to [censored] fart around with him like this, then just trade him. 

He'd made a decent career playing in his suitable position.

A recurring error with regards to Gus; he is not a universal player, he is an accomplished midfielder who racks up possessions and disposals - often scoring himself on the run - and from this onfield allocation, is highly competitive and reliable.

 

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

5 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

Agree, AVB could’ve been the perfect guy to protect Salem while Harmes goes after Libba

AVB is one of our great assets; he'd protect Salem and also Lever against opponents who can get away with anything coz the umpires say so, and as you suggest, Harmes is freed for closer and more specific stopping of the alleged 'guns' in the opposition.

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

11 hours ago, Jaded said:

Interesting calls all around. 
Don’t know that Vanders did much wrong and Harmes is in luke warm form at best. But he’s more attacking which we need as I think Viney makes us too defensive. 
 

Valid concerns, all three.

[BDA 22,755]

10 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Viney to Libba.  Harmes takes the Bont.

Harmes has done the job before so I'd give it to him again

I don't recall whether we hard tagged the Bont last time. Iirc Hibbo went to him when he went forward

[BDA 22,755]

6 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

There's not really any obvious replacement banging the door down though Dazzle? 

Especially given there's no door to bang down thanks to the VFL not bringing in the big $$ and getting the chop courtesy of Gil & Co.

The Weid is an option. He's been playing the role in the limited VFL matches since being dropped and has made a decent go of it. I wouldn't be against him getting a run if Dogga continues to underperfrom

 

[Smokey 4,389]

10 hours ago, Wizard of Koz said:

What are you talking about. Jack needs to do his job, not play a blinder. His job is more than enough. I am over the Jack slaps. He is a gun, tough as nails, and is as much a Demon as you and I.

Treat him with respect.

Nonsense. No one, especially an inside mid of which we have an abundance of on the list, is immune to scrutiny. 

Jack accumulated lots of footy last week but his disposal absolutely killed us. He needs to start making better decisions. He needs to stop getting caught HTB.

We all love Jack but no one is immune to scrutiny if we are hunting a flag. 

[Fat Tony 5,230]

It doesn’t really matter but it seems a strange decision to leave AVB off the emergency list. I wonder if he is carrying an injury or being managed. 

[Kent 2,909]

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm truly confused myself. 

Logic would say you play him in the position that made him finish 3rd in the brownlow right? Yet we prefer a plodder like Viney.

If we are going to continue to [censored] fart around with him like this, then just trade him. 

He'd made a decent career playing in his suitable position.

 

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm truly confused myself. 

Logic would say you play him in the position that made him finish 3rd in the brownlow right? Yet we prefer a plodder like Viney.

If we are going to continue to [censored] fart around with him like this, then just trade him. 

He'd made a decent career playing in his suitable position.

Brayshaw is a victim of Goodwins' love for Viney

Midfield would be better in my opinion with JV playing elsewhere

But in truth in think Brayshaws' career has been ruined and should look elsewhere given that JV was handed a 5 year deal

[binman 42,951]

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

Nonsense. No one, especially an inside mid of which we have an abundance of on the list, is immune to scrutiny. 

Jack accumulated lots of footy last week but his disposal absolutely killed us. He needs to start making better decisions. He needs to stop getting caught HTB.

We all love Jack but no one is immune to scrutiny if we are hunting a flag. 

Yes he had his fair share of poor disposals, which unfortunately is part of his game, but his pressure was fantastic.

And in a game where our pressure was down, and the hawks out tackled us, Jack had 11 of the team's  70 tackles , by far our most and I think topped the pressure acts.

Jack got 2 coaches votes last week. So, it appears one or both coaches rated his game pretty highly 

Edited July 22, 2021 by binman

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9 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Being very hard on Weed there RDN. Schache, God bless him, can only dream of being half as good as Weed. 

Hi QD. You're right of course. Given a choice I know which one I'd want in my VFL side. 

Jokes aside I do wish the best for Sam. Like all of our squad he's a good human being and I hope he's able to fulfil the potential he has whilst still in the red & blue. 

 

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

46 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Nonsense. No one, especially an inside mid of which we have an abundance of on the list, is immune to scrutiny. 

Jack accumulated lots of footy last week but his disposal absolutely killed us. He needs to start making better decisions. He needs to stop getting caught HTB.

We all love Jack but no one is immune to scrutiny if we are hunting a flag. 

Snappy disposals and effective quick releases are required from Jack. His kicking needs to be tempered, as well. The aim is to hit a useful target  and so do quickly for a particular purpose, not to impress with long bombs for distance, alone after excessive time holding the ball statically to decide whence it is to go without a reason why.

He must also not invite physical challenges to 'get the ball from me' when in possession. Always get caught for starters ....

[binman 42,951]

14 minutes ago, Kent said:

 

Brayshaw is a victim of Goodwins' love for Viney

Midfield would be better in my opinion with JV playing elsewhere

But in truth in think Brayshaws' career has been ruined and should look elsewhere given that JV was handed a 5 year deal

What bollocks. Gus is having his best season since 2018.

Has not missed a game in a team sitting in top of the ladder.

And he has done a fantastic job on the wing. Hugely important to our structure 

Not sure why people think he is not playing the wing atm. He still is. Jordan is supporting him there, but Gus is still playing wing.

He has been a bit flat the last few games, but so has the whole team.

As I suspected we have been doing extra training loads which would impact all players.

In his position has to do a lot of, often unrewarded, running. And unlike say Langdon, Gus is far from a natural athlete. So tge extra loading would have a pretty big impact on his output.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,821]

12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Luke Jackson is very very lucky..

Agreed.

1 kick/1 mark games like last week aren't going to cut it at this level. Performances like that are what cost Weid's spot in the side.

Needs to increase his output over the next few weeks or we risk carrying a player into the finals.

Edited July 22, 2021 by Bring-Back-Powell

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13 hours ago, dl4e said:

Some of you people laughing at Bevo could have egg all over your faces. And that is not just with the result Sat night. He probably does not care if the tallish forward line works or not but is willing to try it. He will be looking at finals and the various out comes in playing us then. He wont be worried if they lose Sat night as they have easier draw and if they finish 3rd or 4th wont bother him either as it will be us or Geelong in the qualifyings. And that may even be over at mcgowanville.

I completely disagree, the Dogs have beaten no-one and failed all the big tests - MFC and Sydney at Marvel, the real Richmond at the MCG and the Cats at Kardinia Park.  They have to win for their confidence and campaign.  If they lose again it's big trouble.

Maybe their structure will work - they need it to.

Edited July 22, 2021 by Pollyanna

[binman 42,951]

9 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Agreed.

1 kick/1 mark games like last week aren't going to cut it at this level. Performances like that are what cost Weid's spot in the side.

Needs to increase his output over the next few weeks or we risk carrying a player into the finals.

Must be a morning for being argumentative. Maybe lock down is getting to me.

Jackson was poor last week. And is yet another ayer who has been down for a few weeks.

Again I reckon extra training loads is likely to be a big factor. Particularly for a young fella in only his second year of afl. And he plays a pretty tough role.

Like Gus, super important to our structure and tactical flexibility in terms of how we utilise Max and create match up problems for opposition coaches.

Luke ain't going out of this team.