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I will say we are certainly backing in the same group again. There’s an element of responsibility about this approach that I really like. Our best is good enough. We just need to bring that intensity and desire consistently.

Ive been a vocal critic of Goodwin over the last few years, but I think he’s showing a teachable restraint with this group of players that hopefully really allows the playing groups to understand it’s up to them.

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46 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I will say we are certainly backing in the same group again. There’s an element of responsibility about this approach that I really like. Our best is good enough. We just need to bring that intensity and desire consistently.

Ive been a vocal critic of Goodwin over the last few years, but I think he’s showing a teachable restraint with this group of players that hopefully really allows the playing groups to understand it’s up to them.

Completely agree. Easy to go for the reactive, drop players approach. This is the team that has gotten us here, it'll be the team that takes us forward. Shows faith, the boys will respond and repay.

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41 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

What are you talking about. Jack needs to do his job, not play a blinder. His job is more than enough. I am over the Jack slaps. He is a gun, tough as nails, and is as much a Demon as you and I.

Treat him with respect.

I love Jack Viney at his best. IMO, he hasn’t built back to his best form yet and looks to lack a bit of pace. If you look at his stats on AFL, he is above average/elite in tackling and pressure acts, but average to below average in most other stats areas. His season average possessions are 20 (10 kicks) and 5 of these are turnovers;  60% disposal eff overall (a further 3 possessions not effective).  Not intended as a slap, as you say he bleeds red and blue like us, but we really need him to build for finals.

Maybe I notice him more because I hold him to a higher standard.

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1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

Bulldogs != Lions

 

Again - Bevo probably knows what he’s doing

bit of hubris about

Maybe or maybe not. 

compare the pair:-  1 coach is undefeated against the top 8, the other coach has lost to most of the major contenders (Melb, Geel, Syd, Rich)

Dunkley is looking like a big out. Can see their overly tall team back-firing. 

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Whilst it's good to see Harmes back I honestly think Vandenberg is stiff. I thought his courageous act might have kept him but obviously not.

I would have easily dropped Brayshaw for Harmes and kept Vanders at half forward where Brayshaw has been shifted too.

Gus has honestly given us nothing for the past month and has had 0 influence on the team. Seriously needs to pull his finger out this weekend because he's getting a free run at it with some of his insipid efforts the past few weeks.

The shifting around of Brayshaw is becoming one of the more perplexing scenarios going around.

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4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Whilst it's good to see Harmes back I honestly think Vandenberg is stiff. I thought his courageous act might have kept him but obviously not.

I would have easily dropped Brayshaw for Harmes and kept Vanders at half forward where Brayshaw has been shifted too.

Gus has honestly given us nothing for the past month and has had 0 influence on the team. Seriously needs to pull his finger out this weekend because he's getting a free run at it with some of his insipid efforts the past few weeks.

The shifting around of Brayshaw is becoming one of the more perplexing scenarios going around.

Brayshaw back to defensive wing, Jordon back to primarily midfielder. Viney starting defensive half-forward flank, with occasional run in the middle. 

This is what has consistently worked - be pretty disappointed if it doesn’t happen. 

Harmes in the half-fwd flank, midfield rotations - depending if he has a tagging job. 
 

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2 hours ago, dl4e said:

Some of you people laughing at Bevo could have egg all over your faces. And that is not just with the result Sat night. He probably does not care if the tallish forward line works or not but is willing to try it. He will be looking at finals and the various out comes in playing us then. He wont be worried if they lose Sat night as they have easier draw and if they finish 3rd or 4th wont bother him either as it will be us or Geelong in the qualifyings. And that may even be over at mcgowanville.

How many finals have footscray won over the last five years?

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15 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Whilst it's good to see Harmes back I honestly think Vandenberg is stiff. I thought his courageous act might have kept him but obviously not.

I would have easily dropped Brayshaw for Harmes and kept Vanders at half forward where Brayshaw has been shifted too.

Gus has honestly given us nothing for the past month and has had 0 influence on the team. Seriously needs to pull his finger out this weekend because he's getting a free run at it with some of his insipid efforts the past few weeks.

The shifting around of Brayshaw is becoming one of the more perplexing scenarios going around.

Would love to know the footy department's thoughts on Gus. Do they genuinely not rate him highly so they stick him wherever on the basis he's simply better than the next best available player who is out of the side? Never understood taking him out of the midfield rotation.  

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1 minute ago, adonski said:

Would love to know the footy department's thoughts on Gus. Do they genuinely not rate him highly so they stick him wherever on the basis he's simply better than the next best available player who is out of the side? Never understood taking him out of the midfield rotation.  

It’s fascinating isn’t it. 
 

I wonder in history if there has ever been another inside midfielder finishing ~ 3rd in a Brownlow at a young age, who then basically never plays the same position again? 

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4 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

It’s fascinating isn’t it. 
 

I wonder in history if there has ever been another inside midfielder finishing ~ 3rd in a Brownlow at a young age, who then basically never plays the same position again? 

He was a defensive liability in 2019. Never pushed back hard enough, so found himself out of favour. Has become selfless on the wing, so it could change, we may see him back in soon. 

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2 minutes ago, SPC said:

He was a defensive liability in 2019. Never pushed back hard enough, so found himself out of favour. Has become selfless on the wing, so it could change, we may see him back in soon. 

Bit bizarre isn't it? Defensively liability at one point turned into a defensive wingman. Maybe Goody is playing 4D chess and it's all the masterplan to unleash the insid mid Gus with a great defensive game circa 2025.

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I doubt the Dogs will go with that many talls, but that seems irrelevant to me. What will matter is how we go in the midfield battle. In the second half last week the Hawks continually won the ball around the contest and moved it quickly before we could properly setup. 
 

It will come down to pressure and ability to win or halve 50/50 contests. Pressure forces them to bomb / rush forward entrances, playing into our defensive zone. 50/50 wins will be key for both teams as they present a rare opportunity to attack with a degree of unpredictability. 

If our pressure is on early I think we can win. If we give them a sniff they will be desperate to square the ledger before going into finals. This game is more important for them than us.

Go Dees!  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Bit bizarre isn't it? Defensively liability at one point turned into a defensive wingman. Maybe Goody is playing 4D chess and it's all the masterplan to unleash the insid mid Gus with a great defensive game circa 2025.

I don’t think Gus was alone in 2019. The effort was poor defensively across the board, a big reason this year the buzz word has been about selflessness and players not chasing individual accolades. I’m still not sure where Gus’ best spot is, not just for him, but for the team. I worry about balance with Oliver and Trac and Gus. I’d love someone more dynamic in there. Like Shai Bolton.. 😍

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7 minutes ago, SPC said:

I don’t think Gus was alone in 2019. The effort was poor defensively across the board, a big reason this year the buzz word has been about selflessness and players not chasing individual accolades. I’m still not sure where Gus’ best spot is, not just for him, but for the team. I worry about balance with Oliver and Trac and Gus. I’d love someone more dynamic in there. Like Shai Bolton.. 😍

Trac not dynamic enough for ya? But yes agree with the sentiment. Although I do think Harmes as a pure tagger so does the dirty work, works out well. Unfortunately he’s way behind Viney in the pecking order.

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