POSTGAME: Rd 03 vs GWS

[old dee 24,001]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Agreed although I actually think we settled our defensive structure about 15-20 minutes into the 1st quarter.

We left about 5 goals on the table again by my count, really need to start nailing those chances (Oliver x2, Gawn x2, Spargo) but we are performing far better from a structural standpoint than any time in recent memory. Will be very interested to see how we perform over the next 3 weeks, will be telling as far as as our aspirations this season go.

Won't it be great to see Jones notch his 300th on Anzac eve, fingers crossed he gets through the next two games unscathed.

Don't forget Petracca,s post hit.

[Diamond_Jim 12,687]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Me too Kent. Not sure what some people expect, do they expect  that we have 18 players all equal every week? Tmac has an average game ( not his fault in my opinion) after 2 good games and the instantly want him out. He did his job. 

TMac is crucial over the next 3 weeks

After that we have the luxury of considering BB and Weid

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

15 hours ago, binman said:

Three talls.

But with weed and brown in Jackson will play more like a medium, such is his mobility and ability when the ball hits the deck.

Total match up nightmare.

Weed doesn't get in at the moment. Brown in for TMac, Weid will only get a look in if Jackson or Fritsch have form/injury problems.

[fattysback 44]

3 hours ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

It's too early to get too excited, although the signs are encouraging.

That said, does anyone feel like a peanut for carrying on like a dope when we lost a practice match in which 6 of last year's top 10 in the B&F were missing ?

I wasn’t really concerned about that game for the reasons you say but Gawn also mentioned it in his post-match interview last night so wondering what kind of impact or adjustment they felt they needed to make.

[old dee 24,001]

2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

Whilst this is true - how nice it is for a change to not look back at this 3 games at the end of the year when we are premiers, and think that we lost a match when we 'should' have won.

Ps... we still haven't beaten a team above us on the ladder....so we are still pretenders eh? ?

Exactly true and correct we haven't! !!!!!

[WA Demon Boy 966]

James Jordon is very good, can't believe he's only played a handful of games. 

He's that perfect blend of outside and inside mid. Wish he had a little more speed to him, but his ball movement is so clean he makes up for it. 

Also not sure why Gus is getting heat here. He's playing his role and is handy on either side of his body. Let him keep working on that wing role and compound how he wants to play it 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Jeepers, just paraphrasing. From memory you described him last week as "filling space". Feels akin to "contributing nothing", but anyway, semantics.

So he had our third most metres gained. He also had our sixth most defensive half pressure acts (Salem, Oliver, Rivers, Viney, Sparrow ahead). And our fourth most intercepts, including our second-highest intercept marks. He floated forward for a goal, too.

Again, nothing spectacular, but a decent performance IMO, and a sign he's building into his role.

No, I didn't, that was how someone else was describing his role. Again, misquoting there.

Again, cherry picking random stats doesn't do much for me. Metres gained means nothing if your disposal is poor. "Sixth most defensive half pressure acts"...? You're not really trying to hang your hat on that are you?

And again, all I've said is he should be performing to a higher standard than he is currently. You seem to disagree and think that metres gained at 57% kicking efficiency is perfectly acceptable.

[leave it to deever 17,591]

17 hours ago, binman said:

Agree. A star. So athletic  - and as good below his knees as any big I've ever seen.

Really glad he slotted his goal too.

And loved his move to grab the ball at centre square bounces. 

Important that he rucknin the last as it allowed Max to go forward.

Good move by goody

It was good to have Max up fwd. Oliver there too was a good call but he just kicked poorly.

With fwds out I hope Max gets more time there until they are back.

[Marty 419]

17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Langdon's run is integral to our success: it is insane how frequently he will be in a back pocket and a forward pocket in the same scoring chain for us. 

Love what he has added! Sprints and repeat sprints are so impressive!

[Grr-owl 1,257]

16 hours ago, A F said:

There's no room for Tmac. Brown, Weid as the key talls, Jackson as the third tall/ruck. Fritsch and the smalls to compliment.

Yeah, and Binman has pointed out that Jacko as a third tall is a nightmare to match up against. With Gawn rotating in the ruck/forward/back, the side is looking very tall, but strong. What about the wing? 

[Turner 1,516]

 

16 hours ago, A F said:

There's no room for Tmac. Brown, Weid as the key talls, Jackson as the third tall/ruck. Fritsch and the smalls to compliment.

tmac goes out firstly imo as soon as this week for majak. every other side has key forwards dominating ours cant even lay a hand on it. and 5 tackles my [censored], he just sits on the tackle someone else made at the top of the goalsquare to get the stat not once did he actually instigate a tackle or put the chase in himself it was just fortunate the smalls were doing their jobs right under him.

probably the jones/sparrow spot that goes to jacko to fit weid and BBB in 

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

8 minutes ago, Turner said:

 

tmac goes out firstly imo as soon as this week for majak. every other side has key forwards dominating ours cant even lay a hand on it. and 5 tackles my [censored], he just sits on the tackle someone else made at the top of the goalsquare to get the stat not once did he actually instigate a tackle or put the chase in himself it was just fortunate the smalls were doing their jobs right under him.

probably the jones/sparrow spot that goes to jacko to fit weid and BBB in 

Did Tom run over your cat @Turner?

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

13 minutes ago, Marty said:

Love what he has added! Sprints and repeat sprints are so impressive!

Fitness.....!!!

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Fitness.....!!!

What I really like about those stats is Luke Jackson covering 15.4 kms!

Astounding for , basically, a big kid!!!

[BDA 23,016]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Weed doesn't get in at the moment. Brown in for TMac, Weid will only get a look in if Jackson or Fritsch have form/injury problems.

If Weid is fit before BB reckon he'll replace TMac. If he takes his chance then what do you do when BB is fit? He has to play you'd reckon. Jackson's rotation with MAx is too important system wise so he can't be dropped. It might have to be Fritsch who makes way?

All dependent on form. 2 spots between Weid, TMac and Fritsch.

[BDA 23,016]

21 minutes ago, Turner said:

tmac goes out firstly imo as soon as this week for majak

Nah. I've been critical of TMac last season but no way he makes way for Majak.

He has runs on the board from the first 2 rounds. He didn't play well yesterday but he was crowded out of it. Let's see how he goes against the Cats. Another poor showing and the Weid is waiting in the wings or BB if fit in time.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,293]

2 hours ago, sue said:

Were you at the match?  I saw Oliver manhandled off the ball continually. 

And he was given free kicks

[layzie 34,336]

7 hours ago, low flying Robbo said:

I’d say your friend doesn’t understand how the sub works...

I'd say I agree and that he knows nothing about football!

But in all honesty he wanted to fake an injury to Fritsch because he thought he was doing so bad. Aged very well that one.

[Pennant St Dee 13,389]

4 hours ago, Cards13 said:

I recall one infamous team song where a hawks player fell asleep singing it after playing the Dees.

I remember James Kelly doing it at Kardinya Park around 2012/13

[titan_uranus 25,174]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

No, I didn't, that was how someone else was describing his role. Again, misquoting there.

Again, cherry picking random stats doesn't do much for me. Metres gained means nothing if your disposal is poor. "Sixth most defensive half pressure acts"...? You're not really trying to hang your hat on that are you?

And again, all I've said is he should be performing to a higher standard than he is currently. You seem to disagree and think that metres gained at 57% kicking efficiency is perfectly acceptable.

Mate you can't get upset at my use of stats and then "hang your hat" on kicking efficiency, which isn't a precise stat.

By the way, according to the AFL website his kicking efficiency was 64.7%. That was better than Daniels, Hopper, Ward, Taranto, Toby Greene and Haynes, as well as Spargo, ANB, Hunt, Petracca, Viney, Oliver and Jones. In other words, he was above plenty of mids on both sides on the night. Efficiency was generally down yesterday I suspect in part because of how GWS chose to play, sinking players back into defence and clogging up our forward half.

He gained us territory whilst doing his part in the defensive half. I don't think those stats are irrelevant, certainly no more so than the KE stat.

And if we're going to start talking misquoting (which I clarified), I don't disagree that he can perform to a higher standard. I'm not satisfied with this output on its own: as I said, I thought yesterday he was good but not great. I want him to be great. I think he can be great. 

[picket fence 17,973]

20 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

COUGH...17 Touches in the second half that #13

Anyone who didn't notice the blatant, off the ball Crap that GWS dished out to Clayton Oliver wasn't watching the game. Almost bordered on unfair. Holding , Blocking, all of the ball. Umpires department should be put on notice over it in my book. Funny thing is coming from Leon Cameron as outside a player if there ever was one just made the win even better

[picket fence 17,973]

1 hour ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

What I really like about those stats is Luke Jackson covering 15.4 kms!

Astounding for , basically, a big kid!!!

Sounds a bit like you in your "Heyday" Uncle!!?

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, Marty said:

Love what he has added! Sprints and repeat sprints are so impressive!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Luke Jackson top 5 for distance covered...  wow   ?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

36 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Mate you can't get upset at my use of stats and then "hang your hat" on kicking efficiency, which isn't a precise stat.

By the way, according to the AFL website his kicking efficiency was 64.7%. That was better than Daniels, Hopper, Ward, Taranto, Toby Greene and Haynes, as well as Spargo, ANB, Hunt, Petracca, Viney, Oliver and Jones. In other words, he was above plenty of mids on both sides on the night. Efficiency was generally down yesterday I suspect in part because of how GWS chose to play, sinking players back into defence and clogging up our forward half.

He gained us territory whilst doing his part in the defensive half. I don't think those stats are irrelevant, certainly no more so than the KE stat.

And if we're going to start talking misquoting (which I clarified), I don't disagree that he can perform to a higher standard. I'm not satisfied with this output on its own: as I said, I thought yesterday he was good but not great. I want him to be great. I think he can be great. 

No, I love stats, I just don't think "sixth most defensive half pressure acts" is particularly meaningful.

The kicking efficiency I listed was his year to date.

TBH I think we're wanting the same thing, for Gus to become the player he can be, but we're just perceiving his current performance differently.

Let's move on hey. Happy with the win, hoping Gus continues to improve and starts to perform to the level he's capable of.

Cheers.

 

[titan_uranus 25,174]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

No, I love stats, I just don't think "sixth most defensive half pressure acts" is particularly meaningful.

The kicking efficiency I listed was his year to date.

TBH I think we're wanting the same thing, for Gus to become the player he can be, but we're just perceiving his current performance differently.

Let's move on hey. Happy with the win, hoping Gus continues to improve and starts to perform to the level he's capable of.

Cheers.

 

No worries.

FWIW, I rate defensive half pressure acts equally meaningful with kicking efficiency, but yes, we want the same thing from Brayshaw, so let's hope he builds on this week next week vs Geelong.