Just imagine being on $700k a year for a start, just shy of $7k a week after tax, but not perform in your role for the past two years and have two years to run at that rate.

 

its mind boggling 

Interesting situation.

TMac would be a proud bloke and probably extremely upset and embarrassed by the situation. It's one thing to think you're not being used properly by the coach or the game plan is stupid or you are far better than your output might indicate but when the whole football world doesn't rate you it would be a harsh / bitter pill to swallow. It is definately not the way he would like to end his career.

He has one chance now to work his butt off and get back into the top 22 and contribute and earn not only his salary but the respect of his peers and the wider football world. The danger for the club is having a sad sack roaming the coridoors and bringing the standards and feeling of success down. Its hard to ask a player to put their body on the line when theres a bloke on the sidelines earning a shirtload and contributing nothing. One of the first things Roos did when he arrived at the club was demand the biggest contribution from the clubs highest paid players. Same with Harmes. No use on the sidelines. Just creates unrest.

In fact it may be cancerous. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't paid out. The club must give these players a role or get rid of them, nothing else can work. They must contribute.

 

 

  On 05/11/2020 at 10:21, Whispering_Jack said:

 

 

Needs to do the right thing by the club and take a massive pay cut.    Hes worth about 70k a year at the most.

  On 05/11/2020 at 11:15, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

 

 

Needs to do the right thing by the club and take a massive pay cut.    Hes worth about 70k a year at the most.

He needs to work with Darren Burgess right through Summer 

We need to get him right, not give up

  On 05/11/2020 at 10:45, Farmer said:

Crap defender? Bloody nonsense. He was third and 5th in our B and F as a key defender. A weakness in short passing out of defence but an excellent defender otherwise . Did much more for us in defence than Lever has done  thus far 

sorry mate. its true. I dont care about bnf finishes, theres a reason he was moved forward.

  On 05/11/2020 at 11:06, deespicable me said:

Interesting situation.

TMac would be a proud bloke and probably extremely upset and embarrassed by the situation. It's one thing to think you're not being used properly by the coach or the game plan is stupid or you are far better than your output might indicate but when the whole football world doesn't rate you it would be a harsh / bitter pill to swallow. It is definately not the way he would like to end his career.

He has one chance now to work his butt off and get back into the top 22 and contribute and earn not only his salary but the respect of his peers and the wider football world. The danger for the club is having a sad sack roaming the coridoors and bringing the standards and feeling of success down. Its hard to ask a player to put their body on the line when theres a bloke on the sidelines earning a shirtload and contributing nothing. One of the first things Roos did when he arrived at the club was demand the biggest contribution from the clubs highest paid players. Same with Harmes. No use on the sidelines. Just creates unrest.

In fact it may be cancerous. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't paid out. The club must give these players a role or get rid of them, nothing else can work. They must contribute.

 

Highly paid under-performers are terrible for team morale for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

I think its wishful thinking on our part to think he’ll return to full fitness and 2018 form. Burgo had him for a year already and it hasn’t made any difference. We have to move him on somehow. Probably not pay him out yet (he’s still depth for emergencies) but if he’s not traded this year then he’ll definitely be paid out for 2022.

Edited November 5, 20204 yr by Better days ahead

SEN reporting that Ess have made an approach.    Reportedly we are prepared to pay more of TMac's salary than GCS are of Wright's.

Sam Edmund said the TMac move could just be a ploy to get Wright from GCS on the cheap.  Ess had offered GCS a future 4th round pick for Wright so can't imagine we would get much more. 

But at least we would have the list spot and some sal cap relief.

Can't say I trust Ess and they have had plenty of time to make a move so wouldn't get too excited.

Edited November 8, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

 

Pies have said they won't be 'going down that path' of taking TMac. 

But they have Cox on the table (Sydney have some interest) so terribly short of tall fwds. They are chasing Gunston but it sounds like it will be hard to pry him out of Hawks.

It seems mfc will pay a fair chunk of his salary so wonder when the deadline is close and Pies are short of talls if they will take him.

  On 08/11/2020 at 23:39, Lucifer's Hero said:

Pies have said they won't be 'going down that path' of taking TMac. 

But they have Cox on the table (Sydney have some interest) so terribly short of tall fwds. They are chasing Gunston but it sounds like it will be hard to pry him out of Hawks.

It seems mfc will pay a fair chunk of his salary so wonder when the deadline is close and Pies are short of talls if they will take him.

Really is incompetence from DEES

  On 08/11/2020 at 23:42, Kent said:

Really is incompetence from DEES

Can't say I agree.

We re-contracted Tom in 2018, his FA year when several clubs were pretty keen on him.  So the club had to go some way to meeting the market so I'm not overly critical of the $, especially if it was part of a back-ended deal (not saying it was). 

What concerned me more was the 4 years (apparently without triggers) knowing that he missed the first part of 2018 after double ankle surgery and had subsequently injured his toe. 

Edited November 8, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

 

  On 09/11/2020 at 01:25, Demonland said:

 

I would imagine any club getting a player from another club has to offer 2-3 years at least. So the period is not the problem.

If it is the $700k, we could possibly pay $100k of that this year and maybe the next.

Surely you would be offering a big key forward like Tom, $500-$600k a year, if you wanted him to join your club. 

The real question might be do other clubs want him anyway.

If not, we get him fit and try and get the best out of him and look at moving on a couple of fringe players, like AVB and ANB, to save cap room.

Not sure what Mitch Brown's position is, but if Tom stays he could be at risk. Brown actually played well enough to get another year with us.

The cap is affecting a lot of players this year, as deals are getting harder to do, even though with list sizes smaller say by 2 next year, unless the cap has been reduced, there should be a bit more to spread around.

This could be a period of adjustment on contracts coming up.

  On 09/11/2020 at 01:36, Redleg said:

I would imagine any club getting a player from another club has to offer 2-3 years at least. So the period is not the problem.

If it is the $700k, we could possibly pay $100k of that this year and maybe the next.

Surely you would be offering a big key forward like Tom, $500-$600k a year, if you wanted him to join your club. 

The real question might be do other clubs want him anyway.

If not, we get him fit and try and get the best out of him and look at moving on a couple of fringe players, like AVB and ANB, to save cap room.

Not sure what Mitch Brown's position is, but if Tom stays he could be at risk. Brown actually played well enough to get another year with us.

The cap is affecting a lot of players this year, as deals are getting harder to do, even though with list sizes smaller say by 2 next year, unless the cap has been reduced, there should be a bit more to spread around.

This could be a period of adjustment on contracts coming up.

How do clubs trade players when they don’t even know the size of the list or pay cap for 2021. Are the AFL back in Melbourne or still on  holiday in QLD. Silence from the AFL is deafening. 

The only way we get a decent return for TMac is paying at least a quarter of his annual salary. Hindsight of course but the FD got way too excited about the 2018 season with both the length and $$$ offered prior to the 2019 season. 4 years at that cost is silly regardless of how well he played that one year. Same applies to the Goodwin contract. 

If the club had offered Tom anything less than 4 years at 700k I'd imagine he would've asked for a trade back then. So at the same time as we were rightly getting Hogan out of the club we would've been left without any proven key forward options. I can't remember anyone on here saying we should've done that. It's just a reality that guys lose form and fitness and now that the contract numbers are so high it looks bad. 

I don't think it's a matter of 100 or 200k, I think it might be up to 350k we need to pay of Tom's wage per year and that's fine by me.

  On 09/11/2020 at 01:36, Redleg said:

I would imagine any club getting a player from another club has to offer 2-3 years at least. So the period is not the problem.

If it is the $700k, we could possibly pay $100k of that this year and maybe the next.

Surely you would be offering a big key forward like Tom, $500-$600k a year, if you wanted him to join your club. 

The real question might be do other clubs want him anyway.

If not, we get him fit and try and get the best out of him and look at moving on a couple of fringe players, like AVB and ANB, to save cap room.

Not sure what Mitch Brown's position is, but if Tom stays he could be at risk. Brown actually played well enough to get another year with us.

550k is apparently what we have offered Ben Brown. A player we still think is good and want to bring in. Tom's value is far less than that. Any team bringing him in is doing so for insurance depth or experience with the possibility of trying him in different roles.

Mitch Brown - the quicker we walk away from that cat the better. Got dropped twice and played 1 decent game chasing chest marks on the wing. Complete waste of a list spot the moment we bring in Ben Brown.

  On 09/11/2020 at 02:04, DeeSpencer said:

If the club had offered Tom anything less than 4 years at 700k I'd imagine he would've asked for a trade back then. So at the same time as we were rightly getting Hogan out of the club we would've been left without any proven key forward options. I can't remember anyone on here saying we should've done that. It's just a reality that guys lose form and fitness and now that the contract numbers are so high it looks bad. 

I don't think it's a matter of 100 or 200k, I think it might be up to 350k we need to pay of Tom's wage per year and that's fine by me.

550k is apparently what we have offered Ben Brown. A player we still think is good and want to bring in. Tom's value is far less than that. Any team bringing him in is doing so for insurance depth or experience with the possibility of trying him in different roles.

Mitch Brown - the quicker we walk away from that cat the better. Got dropped twice and played 1 decent game chasing chest marks on the wing. Complete waste of a list spot the moment we bring in Ben Brown.

yeah tom McDonald is realistically worth 300k. 350k max.  he was just that bad and i hope its a reminder that if you're going to dish up that trash then theres no second chances. 

Dees should be keeping TMac. I think it will be a regretful mistake if he moves on. Slimmed down he can get back to his best...! Back him in Melbourne. 
 

It’s not like we are going to come out with a top 10 pick for him.
 

He is versatile, can play forward, back, push up onto the wing and pinch hit in the ruck...! 
 

I believe moving players on especially in contract is a club that is ordinary at developing players and mismanagement...! 

The guy used to be the elite runner at the club.  Can mark and field kick.  Can defend and attack.  I would trim him back down and give him a wing.  If he wants to own it, it would be the Tomlinson role we tried to fill last year.

  On 09/11/2020 at 02:36, buck_nekkid said:

The guy used to be the elite runner at the club.  Can mark and field kick.  Can defend and attack.  I would trim him back down and give him a wing.  If he wants to own it, it would be the Tomlinson role we tried to fill last year.

Are you seriously suggesting that Tom could play wing in 2021? Wow!

  On 09/11/2020 at 02:38, Redleg said:

Are you seriously suggesting that Tom could play wing in 2021? Wow!

We have tried everyone else!

  On 09/11/2020 at 02:40, buck_nekkid said:

We have tried everyone else!

Haven’t tried Max there.

Tom is far too slow and immobile to play wing. 

Paying an ex player's salary is nothing foreign to the MFC.

We paid a portion of Jack Watts's salary to do next to nothing at Port (aside from a BOG performance against...well....us.)

  On 09/11/2020 at 02:59, Bring-Back-Powell said:

aside from a BOG performance against...well....us.

Well, we were paying his salary after all... he was simply being a good employee!

Clubs are going to start getting wary of these big multi year deals again committing a lot of the TPP to one player - they fell out of favour for a while I recall but with free agency swinging the power balance back to the players have been back in vogue.

 

Stuffing it up has long term consequences for the health of your list as we are seeing with TMac and just look at the Pies with the Treloar situation.