While I'll reserve judgement until after the trade period, I really don't understand why we aren't going hard at Phillips.

Absolutely perfect for us on the opposite wing to Langdon.

Reckon our lack of interest here to me indicates that we're well down the path with a pick/points swap with the Bulldogs to get their Pick 14 and take one of Finlay MacRae or Brayden Cook to fill the wing role.

26 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Extremely disappointing. 

Besides Brown what a crud trade period this will be.

A chance to fill in a position that we've been screaming out for and it goes straight through our hands.

Let's wait until it finishes.

1 minute ago, MadAsHell said:

Reckon our lack of interest here to me indicates that we're well down the path with a pick/points swap with the Bulldogs to get their Pick 14 and take one of Finlay MacRae or Brayden Cook to fill the wing role.

My thinking too. 

Remember when Hawthorn were actually good and Clarko had a rule 'if you can't kick, you can't play'. Doesn't seem to apply any more

2 minutes ago, A F said:

Let's wait until it finishes.

I agree it ain’t over until the fat forward pocket squawks.

4 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Reckon our lack of interest here to me indicates that we're well down the path with a pick/points swap with the Bulldogs to get their Pick 14 and take one of Finlay MacRae or Brayden Cook to fill the wing role.

Yes @MadAsHell, had the same thoughts.

12 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Do you think it may just be possible that Phillips didn’t want to come to the MFC? That it may not have been our decision to make? Why are we always so keen to blame the Club in circumstances like this?

Beat me to it! It's hard to trade for a bloke that doesn't want to play for your club.

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I agree it ain’t over until the fat forward pocket squawks.

Brad Hardie?

15 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Do you think it may just be possible that Phillips didn’t want to come to the MFC? That it may not have been our decision to make? Why are we always so keen to blame the Club in circumstances like this?

Well technically that's still good grounds to blame the club.

@Neil Crompton did we actually enquire about Phillips by contacting either phillip's manager or collingwood directly? If we did our due dilligence and Phillips then made a decision about going to Hawthorn, then i'm not bashing the club.

However, if we didn't even enquire and do things such as having him tour our facilities and have meetings with him then i'm being harsh on us. We publicly stated we wanted another winger and failed on getting Smith, so to then not go with Phillips who is proven in that role,  just doesn't make sense to me.

If Baker can work in the wing then it'll be great but if he can't step up to the plate next year, then I'll hold the club accountable for not going harder for a winger.

12 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

Reckon our lack of interest here to me indicates that we're well down the path with a pick/points swap with the Bulldogs to get their Pick 14 and take one of Finlay MacRae or Brayden Cook to fill the wing role.

Maybe I'm giving the club too much credit here - but perhaps they don't like the idea of adding a second winger who is an average kick - so they'll simply draft one who is a good one?

2 minutes ago, adonski said:

Maybe I'm giving the club too much credit here - but perhaps they don't like the idea of adding a second winger who is an average kick - so they'll simply draft one who is a good one?

You might be onto something here @adonskiI suspect the club is either very smart or very stupid on this one. Time will tell!

4 minutes ago, Domgus Petrogan said:

Beat me to it! It's hard to trade for a bloke that doesn't want to play for your club.

Not sure that’s true. 

25 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

Well technically that's still good grounds to blame the club.

No, just possible grounds.  There might be personal reasons for such a decision which have nothing to do with the quality of our club.

Man Phillips would been good. Still haven’t given up 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Extremely disappointing. 

Besides Brown what a crud trade period this will be.

A chance to fill in a position that we've been screaming out for and it goes straight through our hands.

Typical Bloody MFC! If they reckon Baker is the answer well he aint!! aaaaaaand we get to keep the Mc Donald Bothers...... Dreadful list management ?

Edited November 6, 20205 yr by picket fence

I’m not judging yet but it’s clear that the Pies consider him expendable and Phillips is looking elsewhere.  
 

We are a great option as he can immediately fit in in the left hand side wing. I like Oscar Baker but he has hardly cemented a place and we need to get more run into our midfield. Clearly that’s not coming from within as shown in 2019 and 2020.  
 

It seems we are happy to “see what happens” rather than be aggressive like the Saints. Mediocrity is acceptable ? What happened to “ruthless”!!??!!??!!  No sign yet of that!!!!! 

Phillips is a perfect fit. Runs hard all day and appears to be a well adjusted young man. He ticks all the boxes. To get a couple of nice guys like Brown and Phillips into the club wouldn’t hurt in any way. Will only benefit our list. 

Maybe we just can't afford him? The rumored contract he is on is around $600k (not sure what's going on at the Pies, but they had a heap of back-ended contracts), so maybe once they said no to TMac that was the end of any discussion we could be involved with. He's not that good a player that it's worth bringing him in and then losing Oliver, Salem, Weid or Gawn who are out of contract at the end of next year, or Trac/Brayshaw the year after. 

2 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Maybe we just can't afford him? The rumored contract he is on is around $600k (not sure what's going on at the Pies, but they had a heap of back-ended contracts), so maybe once they said no to TMac that was the end of any discussion we could be involved with. He's not that good a player that it's worth bringing him in and then losing Oliver, Salem, Weid or Gawn who are out of contract at the end of next year, or Trac/Brayshaw the year after. 

Well if that's the problem maybe we just do nothing and continue our great development of existing players [ Mahoney quote[ by not playing them right?

22 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Typical Bloody MFC! If they reckon Baker is the answer well he aint!! aaaaaaand we get to keep the Mc Donald Bothers...... Dreadful list management ?

Haven't seen it reported anywhere that we've offered Oscar a contract?

On 11/4/2020 at 6:49 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

The way I read it from Mahoneys chat on TR was that Phillips wasn't exactly a top priority,  but would be monitoring his movements throughout the trade period and could have a real sniff if he becomes available. 

? 

Genuine wingman don't grow on trees

8 minutes ago, Kent said:

Well if that's the problem maybe we just do nothing and continue our great development of existing players [ Mahoney quote[ by not playing them right?

There has to be a limit on what we'll spend on players, just because they might be a nice fit doesn't mean we should sell the farm to get them. They might be prepared to give Phillips a contract of say $400k, but the only way to do that at the moment is if the Pies pay a significant % of the existing deal, so yes we would be better to try to continue to develop our own, rather than lose one of our best players in the future.