34 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Preuss is a 25yr old ready-to-go first string ruckman with multiple clubs interested and two years to go on his contract. Clubs want him, they'll have to pay up and make it appealing to us. If we want to become more ruthless as Goodwin said, then it can start at trade week.

Swap and carry the contract to another ready-made player instead. All sounds familiar. It is the coach's easy way out of the inability to develop, develop and develop. In Goodwin's case, just to develop and provide a purpose.

Giants and Swans interested so far but i expect that to grow quite a bit. definitely a few clubs that would love him 

I would be setting the price high and making clubs pay up if they'd like him. he's contracted 

19 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

6 years on AFL lists for 18 games. Has struggled to get fit. Has battled with injuries. There's very little evidence that he's ready to be a starting ruckman. 

Apart from GWS those other clubs you named have much more reliable options and don't need to desperately gamble on Preuss. There's no way that 2 years of doing stuff all at Melbourne has suddenly increased his value.

He's been behind Goldstein and Gawn so it's not surprisng he hasn't played many games.  Maybe he'll go to Collingwood next and get his Ph.D in Ruck Craft under Grundy before he gets a real job.

As someone else posted, it only takes 2 interested clubs for an auction.  I think we should be able to get something valuable back.

 

34 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I feel that Preuss' situation is similar to that of an assistant coach.

If another team offers him senior game time we should let him go with minimal obstruction.

It doesn't set a precedent as there are few other positions in AFL where there is only room for one player.

Imagine being the reserve goalkeeper for an EPL team. Other than the money it would be soul destroying.

Makes me think of Sergio Romero, was happy earning £95,000 a week at Manchester United and playing sporadically, but now there is a younger Reserve keeper and Sergio wants to leave. Much Like Preuss/LJ situation but without the swimming pool full of money ala Uncle Scrooge

Still to this day one of the most bizarre recruitments we've had...

According to the club release /preuss-joins-melbourne  'Preuss will wear the red and blue until at least the end of 2021'.

So he has one year left on his contract.

Whatever the contract, we don't have the leverage some are suggesting.  We said we are open to enquiries for him.  So now he looks around will choose a club and we will have to deal with that club. 

Edited September 28, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This doesn't help the whole "he's contracted so let's drive a hard bargain for him", unfortunately.

Also, what exactly did he think he was signing up for? Did we suggest to him we were going to go down the two-ruck path?

I dont think it changes anything. Hes contracted for 2 more years. if we dont get want we want he stays and we can still trade him next year when hell still be in contract. Its not like Ben Brown who is out of contract. Melb hold all the aces. All depends on how RUTHLESS we want to be.

Preuss and pick 47 for Pick 22. Must somehow convince Swans to take the deal. 

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

Where's the Tom.McDonald part? Can't see it.

The point I was making was if we traded McDonald to North for Polec, both are on good coin, but we'd get North to pay the fee or financial gap above McDonald's contract (there must be an accounting term for this?). 

2 minutes ago, A F said:

The point I was making was if we traded McDonald to North for Polec, both are on good coin, but we'd get North to pay the fee or financial gap above McDonald's contract (there must be an accounting term for this?). 

I only did accounting up to year 12. But for Tom McDonald , I would use the terms “depreciation “ and “write-off”.  I’m hoping he can have a big preseason and come back but I’m also pragmatic and maybe we can get some trade value for him whilst he’s still worth something. 

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I only did accounting up to year 12. But for Tom McDonald , I would use the terms “depreciation “ and “write-off”.  I’m hoping he can have a big preseason and come back but I’m also pragmatic and maybe we can get some trade value for him whilst he’s still worth something. 

There's actually a debate in the big money sports of the EPL and similar as to whether you recognize player transfer values as revenue. The consensus seems to be that they are intangible assets and are therefore not brought onto the balance sheet other than in the form of cash at bank upon purchase and disposal. The other argument is that you treat it like trading stock

If we were required to write MFC player values to market each year I wonder if we went up or down in 2020?

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There's actually a debate in the big money sports of the EPL and similar as to whether you recognize player transfer values as revenue. The consensus seems to be that they are intangible assets and are therefore not brought onto the balance sheet other than in the form of cash at bank upon purchase and disposal. The other argument is that you treat it like trading stock

If we were required to write MFC player values to market each year I wonder if we went up or down in 2020?

DJ - might be worth a separate post.
whose stocks went up or down ?? 
Moderator considerations??

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

He's been behind Goldstein and Gawn so it's not surprisng he hasn't played many games.  Maybe he'll go to Collingwood next and get his Ph.D in Ruck Craft under Grundy before he gets a real job.

As someone else posted, it only takes 2 interested clubs for an auction.  I think we should be able to get something valuable back.

 

Doesn't really matter if he was behind Polly Farmer and Dean Cox too, the lack of games hurts his value.

Trade week isn't an auction. Preuss seems keen to leave. We seem happy to get something for him otherwise we would've told him he's staying. So he'll find a club and we'll haggle over his value. The bar is being set very high when I imagine the club has a more realistic target on what they want back.

Could we do a three way trade of polec-preuss-gws pick?

does anyone have any idea why he came to us? he must know he can't play fwd.

maybe we just offered the most money/longest deal.  pretty good money for doing bugger all

14 minutes ago, DubDee said:

does anyone have any idea why he came to us? he must know he can't play fwd.

maybe we just offered the most money/longest deal.  pretty good money for doing bugger all

1.  Money

2. Development - he knew he didn't have the fitness or ruck craft to be an effective starter 2 years ago. He had to build his tank and work on his tap work. 2 years as Gawn's apprentice gives him a much better chance to lockdown a starting job.

18 minutes ago, DubDee said:

does anyone have any idea why he came to us? he must know he can't play fwd.

maybe we just offered the most money/longest deal.  pretty good money for doing bugger all

I think we sold part of an idea of a two ruckman system, plus there was a lot of concern about our lack of depth with ruckman should Gawn go down. Perhaps we also sold the idea that he would be our future. 

Either way I’d personally say that his value has increased rather than decreased. He’d walk into at least three clubs as their number one ruck. 

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Off to GWS I reckon.

 

I'd be dealing with GWS they could offer us more one would think, but let the free for all begin.

Highest bidder wins.

21 minutes ago, Pates said:

I think we sold part of an idea of a two ruckman system, plus there was a lot of concern about our lack of depth with ruckman should Gawn go down. Perhaps we also sold the idea that he would be our future. 

Either way I’d personally say that his value has increased rather than decreased. He’d walk into at least three clubs as their number one ruck. 

His time at the club whilst not overly productive, was a resounding success, he leaves as a much more developed player plus possibly netting us a player swap/ 3 way trade or 2nd round draft selection.

Or straight swap for J. Cameron. ??????????????????????????????

Edited September 28, 20204 yr by Win4theAges

Straight swap for Xavier O'Halloran please.

I think he was agood pick up. Lot of ifs but had we played better, made finals and Max was inhured he was good insurance.

27 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

I'd be dealing with GWS they could offer us more one would think, but let the free for all begin.

Highest bidder wins.

agree... but it will be the highest money/term bid from Preuss' viewpoint

The draft pick will be a long way down in the negotiations

1 hour ago, The Lobster Effect said:

Could we do a three way trade of polec-preuss-gws pick?

I like your thinking, but we are no chance of fitting Polec in our cap without giving up another player, such as McDonald.

38 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I like your thinking, but we are no chance of fitting Polec in our cap without giving up another player, such as McDonald.

It probably also depends on what North are willing to pay to get at least a bit of his wage off their books.

He came because we discussed playing two rucks.

We got him because we had a bumper 2018 and needed cover in 2019 in case Gawn went down. Unfortunately he has been injured, or coming back from injury most of the times we needed him. 

Now we have Jackson has proved capable of holding his own, and we've probably decided that we'd rather play him as first ruck (for development) than Preuss, then Preuss became expendable.