On 14/10/2020 at 21:23, 58er said:

I think we should get Michael Voss  in as our midfield coach If he is available. Surely he could lift our mids a level or two.

Tracs improvement may well be the benchmark for players to aim but that is more on an individual level.

Voss would bring a new dynamic to the group which would be a great result IMO.

Also Oliver’s hero growing up. But I think he has said he’ll stay at Port.

 

I would LOVE Hodge!

Edited October 14, 20204 yr by 3183 Dee

  On 14/10/2020 at 19:54, dazzledavey36 said:

How do you know its a contract situation? He's still contract until the end of next year ...

Just an inebriated rant dazzle. Don't mind me. 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-trades-trade-talk-news-updates-rumours-whispers-live-chat-tom-morris-afl-finals-2020-trade-period/news-story/467c36d796f0c99d3dcf23693aa01675

A person in the chat with tom morris has asked about carlton getting oliver and Morris has said:

• Ollie Wines or Clayton Oliver to Blues?

  • Not Wines. Rumours about Oliver have been strongly denied by his management. The Demons midfielder is unsettled but until he requests a trade I will believe his management that he's going nowhere.
  • Hi Tommy, any truth to the Oliver to Carlton rumours? As a Melbourne supporter it’s a scary prospect!

    • Hi ralph, I'm reliably told Melbourne won't be trading Clayton Oliver, even though he was a bit frustrated with this year.

 

Edited October 15, 20204 yr by Wunders
Update

  On 15/10/2020 at 00:18, Wunders said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-trades-trade-talk-news-updates-rumours-whispers-live-chat-tom-morris-afl-finals-2020-trade-period/news-story/467c36d796f0c99d3dcf23693aa01675

A person in the chat with tom morris has asked about carlton getting oliver and Morris has said:

• Ollie Wines or Clayton Oliver to Blues?

  • Not Wines. Rumours about Oliver have been strongly denied by his management. The Demons midfielder is unsettled but until he requests a trade I will believe his management that he's going nowhere.
  • Hi Tommy, any truth to the Oliver to Carlton rumours? As a Melbourne supporter it’s a scary prospect!

    • Hi ralph, I'm reliably told Melbourne won't be trading Clayton Oliver, even though he was a bit frustrated with this year.

 

I agree that Brendan Mc Cartney was instrumental in Clarries last couple of years. He still finds the ball but why does he persist in this jockeying for position with another player is beyond me. Does Danger do it does Dusty. I reckon if this is a coach driven thing it is flawed logic, Surely he can stand more or less by himself and let MAX Palm it out.!? I was frustrated that time and again he needed to jostle and bounce of someone, surely the idea is to keep moving with a set strategy for palm outs??

From the chat.

Is there any info around what exactly Clayton Oliver is unsettled about at the Dees?

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Hi Kent, he was frustrated to finish 5th in the best and fairest. I don't think he believes they value him highly enough. He also wants to play in a finals team. He's frustrated.

Edited October 15, 20204 yr by dazzledavey36

  On 15/10/2020 at 00:18, Wunders said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-afl-trades-trade-talk-news-updates-rumours-whispers-live-chat-tom-morris-afl-finals-2020-trade-period/news-story/467c36d796f0c99d3dcf23693aa01675

A person in the chat with tom morris has asked about carlton getting oliver and Morris has said:

• Ollie Wines or Clayton Oliver to Blues?

  • Not Wines. Rumours about Oliver have been strongly denied by his management. The Demons midfielder is unsettled but until he requests a trade I will believe his management that he's going nowhere.
  • Hi Tommy, any truth to the Oliver to Carlton rumours? As a Melbourne supporter it’s a scary prospect!

    • Hi ralph, I'm reliably told Melbourne won't be trading Clayton Oliver, even though he was a bit frustrated with this year.

 

Good enough for me.

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:10, dazzledavey36 said:

From the chat.

Is there any info around what exactly Clayton Oliver is unsettled about at the Dees?

 less

Hi Kent, he was frustrated to finish 5th in the best and fairest. I don't think he believes they value him highly enough. He also wants to play in a finals team. He's frustrated.

So are we rating Tom Morris as a journalist.

I don't and eveything he is saying can be found on Demonland 

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:14, Pennant St Dee said:

So are we rating Tom Morris as a journalist.

I don't and eveything he is saying can be found on Demonland 

 I'm Just the messenger..

Edited October 15, 20204 yr by dazzledavey36

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:10, dazzledavey36 said:

From the chat.

Is there any info around what exactly Clayton Oliver is unsettled about at the Dees?

 less

Hi Kent, he was frustrated to finish 5th in the best and fairest. I don't think he believes they value him highly enough. He also wants to play in a finals team. He's frustrated.

If he thinks they don't value him highly enough because of where he finished in the B&F, and that's if we believe that rumour, then I'm not sure I want someone so childish at the football club.  I mean... really.  Everyone who finished above him, with the possible exception of Viney, had a better year than he did.  It's not as if Jake Melksham finished Top 5.  

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:14, Pennant St Dee said:

So are we rating Tom Morris as a journalist.

I don't and eveything he is saying can be found on Demonland 

He's pretty well connected when it comes to the MFC.

Also while I understand several Journalists have reported the Oliver rumour @Pennant St Dee and its up to the individual to believe or not. But there must be some noise to it somehow?

I hate to continue to tag him, but when@Chook in Perth confirmed last week that Oliver is unhappy then i definitely take that as legit.

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:14, dazzledavey36 said:

 I'm Just the messenger..

Yes I know, I also don't believe the Nev Jetta story.

I love Nev, but hate to say time has just about caught up with him. No way Buckley and his FD haven't seen this either 

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:14, dazzledavey36 said:

 I'm Just the messenger..

Dazzle, do you reckon there is more to this story than first thought?

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:20, dazzledavey36 said:

Also while I understand several Journalists have reported the Oliver rumour @Pennant St Dee and its up to the individual to believe or not. But there must be some noise to it somehow?

I hate to continue to tag him, but when@Chook in Perth confirmed last week that Oliver is unhappy then i definitely take that as legit.

And I'm one who is in the 'not believe' camp, but that's not a knock on you dazzle.  As you said, you're just the messenger here from the chat.

And when I say 'not believe', I can believe that he is potentially frustrated after missing finals.  But the B&F thing is strange.  So what happens if he were to leave and finish 7th in the B&F at his new club.  Does he crack it and move on from there as well?

I can buy the frustration, but I don't buy the 'wanting out' part.  It just doesn't add up to me.

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:14, Wiseblood said:

If he thinks they don't value him highly enough because of where he finished in the B&F, and that's if we believe that rumour, then I'm not sure I want someone so childish at the football club.  I mean... really.  Everyone who finished above him, with the possible exception of Viney, had a better year than he did.  It's not as if Jake Melksham finished Top 5.  

This is a good point, hope someone is sounding him out/getting things sorted

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:20, dazzledavey36 said:

Also while I understand several Journalists have reported the Oliver rumour @Pennant St Dee and its up to the individual to believe or not. But there must be some noise to it somehow?

I hate to continue to tag him, but when@Chook in Perth confirmed last week that Oliver is unhappy then i definitely take that as legit.

DD I'm not disputing the rumour is out there and back Chook in Perth.  I'm just highlighting that Tom Morris is clearly sourcing his information from Demonland and then saying he's hearing. Amateur journalism (Good morning Tom)

I'm still of the belief it's step one in his contract negotiations by his agent and the process of getting the best LTD for his client 

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:21, picket fence said:

Dazzle, do you reckon there is more to this story than first thought?

My opinion all along has been that I have felt he is unhappy and inpatient. He wants to play finals and yet its another year lost. 

But I have always said that he won't get traded this year. Even if he does request a trade, my starting point would be two 1st rounders.

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:10, dazzledavey36 said:

From the chat.

Is there any info around what exactly Clayton Oliver is unsettled about at the Dees?

 less

Hi Kent, he was frustrated to finish 5th in the best and fairest. I don't think he believes they value him highly enough. He also wants to play in a finals team. He's frustrated.

If he is seriously upset about the b&f finish he needs to get a reality check. Why would be be so upset, perhaps there are bonus triggers in his contract for a top 3 finish? His first half of the season was pretty poor so he wouldn't have done too well votewise up until the Crows game.

There is zero chance the club will trade Oliver while he's contracted.

If he is unhappy about missing finals or finishing 5th in a BnF then do something about it.

Do we think Luke Hodge in 2006 after being drafted in 2001 and having his club finishing 11th thought 'oh I'm sick of not playing finals I'm leaving'.

This is the calibre of player I want Oliver to be.

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:10, dazzledavey36 said:

From the chat.

Is there any info around what exactly Clayton Oliver is unsettled about at the Dees?

 less

Hi Kent, he was frustrated to finish 5th in the best and fairest. I don't think he believes they value him highly enough. He also wants to play in a finals team. He's frustrated.

My read is he is frustrated that he is trying to bring lesser players into the game with his handball. He was a stand out as having a fast footy brain from the outset. His hanball has become less effective but its possible he still sees it as connstructive and therefore doesnt like being told by the coaching staff to run and kick. The idea he sees the 5th place on as a reflection of being undervalued is very different than thinking, i reckon I should have come higher. I am seeing his point of view especially if he imagines himself dishing out disposals to more creative type players than our mids, petracca aside. I reckon he is gone, not this year though.

The bit about the BnF finish is silly, but the bit about wanting to play finals is a legitimate issue.

If we continue to miss finals, we will lose talents like Oliver who play the game to win. For far too long we have had players who seem happy to just be an AFL footballer, and lack to desire to be the best and win at all costs. Oliver is one of the competitive types who wants to win, and if we continue to lose he will want out. It's not as if he's lazy and coasting, he leads the league in contested ball, so he is putting his body on the line to win. 

Some will argue that Oliver should get better and then we'll win more. That's partly true, he has potential to become even better than he is already, and therefore push us to more wins. However, he can only do so much, and if you're a competitive type stuck in a losing environment, you'll want out.

I would be miffed as well if blokes like Melksham kept getting games all year because there was no better option.

The frustrations would be in line with the supporters - we played finals 2 years ago then fell off a cliff. The club came out and publicly said it was finals or a fail this year and we failed again. There doesn't seem to be anyone with answers within the club, so why not chat to other clubs and see if they have a clear directive and future goals in place

  On 15/10/2020 at 01:43, dazzledavey36 said:

My opinion all along has been that I have felt he is unhappy and inpatient. He wants to play finals and yet its another year lost. 

But I have always said that he won't get traded this year. Even if he does request a trade, my starting point would be two 1st rounders.

Jesus, is this [censored] rumour still being circulated?

  On 14/10/2020 at 21:21, Clintosaurus said:

This year has seen journos make up even more [censored] than normal, as most of them have been stuck in Melbourne with no direct access to players, coaches etc. Still have the same amount of space to fill so just writing anything and everything.

it's not just the journos, clint

player managers have a lot to answer for, planting fake suggestions to journos and other clubs to raise a player's profile. sometimes for this year or setting the ground for next year

in clarrie's case i think it is just a ruse to raise his contract extension value with mfc next year (probably early next year}

if he thought he should have finished higher than any of May, Langdon and Petracca he is kidding himself.