The players can suck it. Get us over the line kids. If anyone can point me towards where Simon did wrong with Clarry then I'll go and rearrange my garden gnomes.

 

On 10/7/2020 at 5:54 AM, Rednblueriseing said:

Imo Clary, Trac, Gus need to follow Viney and sign long term

Formidable, such a combination. Now for the coach to bring out their teamwork, and delivery. It is not that big a step. Inner congestion is the one thing that prevents a premiership performance. 

8 hours ago, Dr.D said:

 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

Omg - now you are just baiting me!

Ok I'll bite.

NEED AN IRONY EMOJI !!!!

On 10/11/2020 at 7:18 PM, Skuit said:

This. I would be grumpy by default if forced to live full-time in the laps of my workmates for the past five months, no matter how much I like them. Plenty of tensions and some flare-ups, I bet. Young, immature team, partial boredom, and a more challenging season for us than most. Everyone probably just needs a good defrag and some time apart. 

Love the use of ‘defrag’ here lol 

We are a poorly performing outfit. Forward and midfield coaching is sub-par. Game day coaching and game plan not up to scratch. Players are not delivering in particular our much vaunted midfield unit. We are not getting the best from our midfielders. Pure and simple. Coaches and players are equally responsible imv.

Clayton is hugely talented but he is not blameless. His body language has been poor at times, he’s over hand balled and his kicking has let him down. And yes, I think he has been selfish. I don’t for a second think he’ll go to Carlton this year but he might go next. He seems like the type of character who wants success and might leave if he feels it won’t happen at MFC. I have zero intel on this just my opinion. Plus we live in the age of free agency. Players will test the market.

There is plenty for Clayton to work over the off season. With another solid pre-season and some proper coaching I think he can be a star of the comp. But he needs to knuckle down.

The best way of course to scotch these types of rumours is to become successful. It’s about time this club got its act together, got some elite coaching talent into the club and finally deliver on promises. I’m sick to death of spending every off season listening to platitudes from the club about what they are going to do. I want to spend an off season praising them for what they did for a change.

Over to you Pert.

9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Man this is a sad lot. Weeks and weeks of gossiping about Viney, analysing how he looked frustrated at the Bnf etc. Nek mennit..5 year contract. Shame on all of you.  

So what do you shift your wasted attention to now?? A baseless Oliver rumour. lol. 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

Based on your comments, I think it’s very clear who’s the one that understands the least. 

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

The players can suck it. Get us over the line kids. If anyone can point me towards where Simon did wrong with Clarry then I'll go and rearrange my garden gnomes.

 

Out to the garden Skuit.

Oliver is an outtsdning talent that has stood still in terms of playing style . Goodwins had him for 4 years yet until the outcry mid season, from garry Lyon and others, about the bleedingly obvious lack of running away from packs first rather than the quick short handball, did we glimpse what Oliver can become. Then back into his shell later in the season to old habits.

Goodwins head coach- ergo -he's responsible.

Its not that Oliver is poor, its that he could be so much better in effectiveness it would be unbelievable.

1 hour ago, binman said:

Omg - now you are just baiting me!

Ok I'll bite.

NEED AN IRONY EMOJI !!!!

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What I know about player contracts and salary caps could be written on a postage stamp but in the case of both Clarry and Trac I feel we need to try and get them to sign 5 year deals this time around, just like Jack Viney did. In theory wouldn't that make it easier to weave the bulk of the salaries they would command into specific years that wouldn't hurt our overall playing list or prevent us from competing in free agency ? They are both of an age where we could renegotiate contract extensions mid term to rejig the financial spread if need be and at the same time give them certainty into their 30's. 

3 hours ago, binman said:

Omg - now you are just baiting me!

Ok I'll bite.

NEED AN IRONY EMOJI !!!!

Apparently this is the Irony Emoji - ?

A classic smiley, turned upside down. Implemented as a flipped version of ? Slightly Smiling Face on most platforms.

Commonly used to convey irony, sarcasm, joking, or a sense of goofiness or silliness. Its intent can be similar to the bemused Oh well! of ? Person Shrugging or the shruggie emoticon, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

2 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Out to the garden Skuit.

Oliver is an outtsdning talent that has stood still in terms of playing style . Goodwins had him for 4 years yet until the outcry mid season, from garry Lyon and others, about the bleedingly obvious lack of running away from packs first rather than the quick short handball, did we glimpse what Oliver can become. Then back into his shell later in the season to old habits.

Goodwins head coach- ergo -he's responsible.

Its not that Oliver is poor, its that he could be so much better in effectiveness it would be unbelievable.

I think we saw a glimpse of his talent with a handball to ANB some two years ago. Carlton had a player called Williams, and i can understand their older cult wanting someone with his talent. Peripheral vision in spades.

By the same token we should hike back to who were the players around Williams and how good they were in common sense positioning. You don't go back from not being able to get the ball in the middle to being able to get it profusely to not getting it again. Utter madness.

In my opinion Oliver is/will be Viney on steroids. There I've said it.

Start kicking Coaches instead of players.....

35 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I think we saw a glimpse of his talent with a handball to ANB some two years ago. Carlton had a player called Williams, and i can understand their older cult wanting someone with his talent. Peripheral vision in spades.

By the same token we should hike back to who were the players around Williams and how good they were in common sense positioning. You don't go back from not being able to get the ball in the middle to being able to get it profusely to not getting it again. Utter madness.

In my opinion Oliver is/will be Viney on steroids. There I've said it.

Start kicking Coaches instead of players.....

I thought that was my point - caoches getting their job done?

My post was not a criticsim of Oliver if you read it carefully. At least he has a right foot, which Viney doesn't have.

Williams had Bradley, Fraser Brown and the great Brett Ratten around him.  

Oliver's the raw material.

Coaches take responsibility for his development in the real world. Oliver is nowhere near Williams impact as yet. 

So the coaches did a wonderful job on petracca - but obviously they can only fix one player per year. 

7 hours ago, Demon17 said:

I thought that was my point - caoches getting their job done?

My post was not a criticsim of Oliver if you read it carefully. At least he has a right foot, which Viney doesn't have.

Williams had Bradley, Fraser Brown and the great Brett Ratten around him.  

Oliver's the raw material.

Coaches take responsibility for his development in the real world. Oliver is nowhere near Williams impact as yet. 

Clarry Choo Choo would do well to aspire to the Lofty standards of a Dangerfield!! Sadly, unless Miracles occur, I cannot see it under Goodwins Regime!!

AFL.com.au running with Carlton showing interest in Oliver in their latest Trade show.

They also mentioned that they have interest in Hunter and Wines.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

AFL.com.au running with Carlton showing interest in Oliver in their latest Trade show.

They also mentioned that they have interest in Hunter and Wines.

Throwing darts

13 minutes ago, adonski said:

Throwing darts

Maybe..

But would you say that if it was us linked to Lachie Hunter, Ollie Wines and Patrick Cripps?

Funny how supporters look at it at a different angle when its in the different show.

People were froffing over Ben Brown being linked to us when Damo Barrett broke the story on Sunday. Yet when its one of ours, its all [censored] and made up.

Not saying Oliver will be traded at all. But its fair to say Carlton are showing some form of interest which I'm guessing is normal for him each year.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not saying Oliver will be traded at all. But its fair to say Carlton are showing some form of interest which I'm guessing is normal for him each year.

I'm pretty sure 18 clubs including ours will be showing interest in him 'dazz'...

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe..

But would you say that if it was us linked to Lachie Hunter, Ollie Wines and Patrick Cripps?

Funny how supporters look at it at a different angle when its in the different show.

People were froffing over Ben Brown being linked to us when Damo Barrett broke the story on Sunday. Yet when its one of ours, its all [censored] and made up.

Not saying Oliver will be traded at all. But its fair to say Carlton are showing some form of interest which I'm guessing is normal for him each year.

Just like the De Goey story?

Im not having a go at you dazzle just think news has been slow in the AFL trading space and they need to fill space.

Will be interesting to see though if there is smoke there is fire.... no real details have been tabled about Oliver but as we've seen from Chook in Perth, he is upset with something.

It could be as simple as Olivers management gauging market value or it could be Oliver is upset.

If he does move i hope it's this year. His worth will be the highest this year.

In saying thay good clubs het good players to stay. We will see what happens 

He’s not blameless for this years failure. I’d prefer if Clayton knuckled and focused on his kicking, impacting the scoreboard and leadership rather than sooking.

Having said that there’s no way he leaves this year. Carlton are dreaming.

15 minutes ago, rjay said:

I'm pretty sure 18 clubs including ours will be showing interest in him 'dazz'...

Yep. That’s what I take out of those sort of comments like the one made by Carlton, I’m sure all clubs also have an interest in Oliver, likewise Petracca. ‘Interest’ is very vague. 

Edited October 14, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

From a Carlton perspective, best case, they land Oliver.

Worst case, they let everyone know they have the interest and the capacity to land a top line mid.

Let's hope it's the latter.

27 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe..

But would you say that if it was us linked to Lachie Hunter, Ollie Wines and Patrick Cripps?

Funny how supporters look at it at a different angle when its in the different show.

People were froffing over Ben Brown being linked to us when Damo Barrett broke the story on Sunday. Yet when its one of ours, its all [censored] and made up.

Not saying Oliver will be traded at all. But its fair to say Carlton are showing some form of interest which I'm guessing is normal for him each year.

Ben Brown's being pushed out the door and is uncontracted. Different scenario. 

what noted carlton nuffie riley beveridge actually said in the video is that he thinks that while they'd love to land an oliver type, he thinks they have capacity to add a player at the level of the next tier down 

41 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

what noted carlton nuffie riley beveridge actually said in the video is that he thinks that while they'd love to land an oliver type, he thinks they have capacity to add a player at the level of the next tier down 

Thanks for clarifying. Lots of Chinese whispers at this time of year.