1 minute ago, old dee said:

Why would he retire HT?

I just have a feeling his body will be telling him to call it a day... it's been through a lot and it's starting to show.  As the lawyer in the Castle said, "it's just... the vibe, your honour."

2 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I just have a feeling his body will be telling him to call it a day... it's been through a lot and it's starting to show.  As the lawyer in the Castle said, "it's just... the vibe, your honour."

In his position I would hang in there for 2021.

Exit interviews today

Just now, old dee said:

In his position I would hang in there for 2021.

Would you? What if the club said we'll still pay you everything you're owed but find other ways to use your considerable other talents.

His legs look shot and he's ducking in to tackles and risking further concussions. Unless he and the club thinks there's something he can change over summer to find more vitality they won't be doing him any favours by having him play on.

I think Dunkley showed something last year and I would not be delisting him yet.

55 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I think that the club would want another 300 game player and therefore keep Jones.

This unfortunately would spell doom for Jetta as we can’t keep them both.

Why? How does the club benefit? I just can't see any good reason why it would be in the club's interest.

4 hours ago, defuture15 said:

Always interesting to have this discussion every year! IMHO we need to target 2 ready made players from other clubs using a few players with something that others clubs can utilise. The ones most likely would be Preuss to GWS, ? Perryman and TMAC/Sparrow/Dunkley to Ess for Saad.

If Daniher is open to coming to us and we can sort out his issues that would solve some of our glaring issues. 

All of our draftees must have kicking and marking skills

What about getting the ball skills. Sparrow is a development player, why strat him off them ship him off to get another kid who is starting from scratch

 

1 hour ago, dimmy said:

What about getting the ball skills. Sparrow is a development player, why strat him off them ship him off to get another kid who is starting from scratch

 

I would only be offering him in a trade. If he is kept on that is good also. We need to trade for Saad.

Have the 2021 list sizes been confirmed yet? Hard to tell what will happen until then (or do they already know with the Roos slashing the list and haven’t announced). 
If the lists are reduced to 35 then we need to only retain the best 35 and disregard potential. There will be plenty of potential players that are able to develop in lower levels to pick up in future years for maybe cheaper picks than current value due to a glut of players.  
Therefore the footy dept need to agree on  team structure (ie two talls) to the pick players who can replace the ‘soldier’ when one inevitably goes down. Therefore positions 23 to 35 need, a ruck, tall fwd, small fwd, flankers, tall def, small def and mids - utilities who can play multiple position will be very valuable. 
 

3 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

I think Dunkley showed something last year and I would not be delisting him yet.

What did he show this year?

6 minutes ago, Gunna’s said:

Have the 2021 list sizes been confirmed yet? Hard to tell what will happen until then (or do they already know with the Roos slashing the list and haven’t announced). 
If the lists are reduced to 35 then we need to only retain the best 35 and disregard potential. There will be plenty of potential players that are able to develop in lower levels to pick up in future years for maybe cheaper picks than current value due to a glut of players.  
Therefore the footy dept need to agree on  team structure (ie two talls) to the pick players who can replace the ‘soldier’ when one inevitably goes down. Therefore positions 23 to 35 need, a ruck, tall fwd, small fwd, flankers, tall def, small def and mids - utilities who can play multiple position will be very valuable. 
 

Negotiations with AFLPA ongoing.

Clubs would know the parameters of those negotiations.

Rumour is 2-3 player reduction this year and same next year

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Negotiations with AFLPA ongoing.

Clubs would know the parameters of those negotiations.

Rumour is 2-3 player reduction this year and same next year

Cheers DJ

Hopefully they also change the draft rules for minimum new players.
Would rather some players stay on than any pick the 70’s to get to the 3.  
Roosy would be happy if the draft age was lifted now. 

10 minutes ago, Gunna’s said:

What did he show this year?

Zero. But he didn’t get much opportunity to show his ability given the VFL was canceled. 

I would not take many picks in this draft. It’s compromised and hard to select given no junior football. And draftees get two years vs Dunkley one. 

You can only trade players if they are on a contract.  Trade T.Mac, Viney and Brayshaw. Retire Jones,Jetta,K.K and Nietschke.

Delist 2 Wagners just for starters. 

10 minutes ago, COOLX said:

You can only trade players if they are on a contract.  Trade T.Mac, Viney and Brayshaw. Retire Jones,Jetta,K.K and Nietschke.

Delist 2 Wagners just for starters. 

Why would Jetta retire with one more year on his contract. K.K maybe due to his concussion issues and Neitschke been promised a contract. Viney is out of contract.

26 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Zero. But he didn’t get much opportunity to show his ability given the VFL was canceled. 

I would not take many picks in this draft. It’s compromised and hard to select given no junior football. And draftees get two years vs Dunkley one. 

If the rookies are cut he's cut.

Delistings may not be announced until after the best and fairest Wednesday night, only guessing by me.

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well it hasn't stopped North, Bombers, and Port delisting kids without any VFL games. 

He'll get cut.

Chandler played one of the last games last year. He was injured for the first half of this year.

1 hour ago, Gunna’s said:

Cheers DJ

Hopefully they also change the draft rules for minimum new players.
Would rather some players stay on than any pick the 70’s to get to the 3.  
Roosy would be happy if the draft age was lifted now. 

rookie upgrades count as draft picks so lockhart presumably takes up one and if the list setup changes and we have to upgrade more then it counts as draft picks

Certain delistings

Bennell, Chandler, Dunkley, Corey Wagner.

Possible

Bradtke, Brown, Josh Wagner, Omac, Nietschke, Jones

Will they announce Thursday after bluey?

My list changes for 2021:

Retire: Nathan Jones, Neville Jetta (both had excellent careers).
Trade: Angus Brayshaw (can only play as an inside mid and often turns the ball over by either hand or foot).  Trade for another player or a second round draft pick.

Looking at the entire current list as "best 22" and then "back up/development" you could make a case for delisting most of the "back up/development" players (we don't bat very deep!).  I would have Jay Lockhart, Adam Tomlinson, Marty Hore and Braydon Preuss as game day emergencies for my "best 22".

Tom McDonald in my best 22 on a wing.  Am I mad!?!?  He is supposed to be one of the best endurance runners at the club, so if he was fully fit I'd play him on the wing for some gut running ala Langdon, and use him as a down the line chop out option (freeing up Max Gawn to work more up and down the middle of the ground as an attacking option).  If he can't get fit (he looks to have lost some mobility after his knee injury last season) then it could be better to explore trade options.

		Best 22
B	Trent Rivers	Steven May	Michael Hibberd
HB	Jake Lever	Harrison Petty	Christian Salem
C	Ed Langdon	Christian Petracca	Tom McDonald
HF	Jayden Hunt	Sam Weideman	Bayley Fritsch
F	Kysaiah Pickett	Luke Jackson	Mitch Hannan
R	Max Gawn	Clayton Oliver	Jack Viney
I	James Harmes	Aaron vandenBerg	Oskar Baker	Tom Sparrow

		Back up/Development
B	Jay Lockhart	Oscar McDonald	Josh Wagner
HB	Corey Wagner	Adam Tomlinson	Marty Hore
C	Harley Bennell	James Jordon	Kade Kolodjashnij
HF	Jake Melksham	Mitch Brown	Alex Neal-Bullen
F	Charlie Spargo	Joel Smith	Toby Bedford
R	Braydon Preuss	Kyle Dunkley	Aaron Nietschke
I	Austin Bradtke	Kade Chandler

On 9/20/2020 at 10:40 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Delist 

Dunkley, OMac?, Cwagner, JWagner, Joel Smith ?, Bradtke, Chandler, and ... unfortunately Bennell ??

Retire - Jetta?, Kk ?

thats 10 off the list  (down to 35)  

who is in the fringes ??? 

1. I’m feeling compassion and I know I might be ridiculed but I’m giving Jonesy one more year. 

2. Hannan and Spargo are just hanging on ... just 

3. Bedford and Jordan are just hanging in for their development 

4. Hunt and Baker saved themselves in the last 2 games and at least they’ve got pace which we lack 

 

trade discussion - Preuss (Giants?) Neal-Bullen (Crows?) Tmac (anyone who is interested). I reckon ideally at least two trades here  (brings list down to 33)  

probably will entertain a discussion about Sparrow but would love to keep him (Crows would need to give us their 2nd round pick circa pick 19). 

List to rookie list - Nietschke (as promised ) 

I think the AFL will cut lists to 40 (37 plus 3 rookies)   

 

I holding firm 

56 minutes ago, Ausrak said:

My list changes for 2021:

Retire: Nathan Jones, Neville Jetta (both had excellent careers).
Trade: Angus Brayshaw (can only play as an inside mid and often turns the ball over by either hand or foot).  Trade for another player or a second round draft pick.

Looking at the entire current list as "best 22" and then "back up/development" you could make a case for delisting most of the "back up/development" players (we don't bat very deep!).  I would have Jay Lockhart, Adam Tomlinson, Marty Hore and Braydon Preuss as game day emergencies for my "best 22".

Tom McDonald in my best 22 on a wing.  Am I mad!?!?  He is supposed to be one of the best endurance runners at the club, so if he was fully fit I'd play him on the wing for some gut running ala Langdon, and use him as a down the line chop out option (freeing up Max Gawn to work more up and down the middle of the ground as an attacking option).  If he can't get fit (he looks to have lost some mobility after his knee injury last season) then it could be better to explore trade options.

		Best 22
B	Trent Rivers	Steven May	Michael Hibberd
HB	Jake Lever	Harrison Petty	Christian Salem
C	Ed Langdon	Christian Petracca	Tom McDonald
HF	Jayden Hunt	Sam Weideman	Bayley Fritsch
F	Kysaiah Pickett	Luke Jackson	Mitch Hannan
R	Max Gawn	Clayton Oliver	Jack Viney
I	James Harmes	Aaron vandenBerg	Oskar Baker	Tom Sparrow

		Back up/Development
B	Jay Lockhart	Oscar McDonald	Josh Wagner
HB	Corey Wagner	Adam Tomlinson	Marty Hore
C	Harley Bennell	James Jordon	Kade Kolodjashnij
HF	Jake Melksham	Mitch Brown	Alex Neal-Bullen
F	Charlie Spargo	Joel Smith	Toby Bedford
R	Braydon Preuss	Kyle Dunkley	Aaron Nietschke
I	Austin Bradtke	Kade Chandler

When you look at the list, your right our depth is a concern.  

2 hours ago, Ausrak said:

Looking at the entire current list as "best 22" and then "back up/development" you could make a case for delisting most of the "back up/development" players (we don't bat very deep!).  I would have Jay Lockhart, Adam Tomlinson, Marty Hore and Braydon Preuss as game day emergencies for my "best 22".

 

1 hour ago, Nelo said:

When you look at the list, your right our depth is a concern.  

the problem is we have this reluctance to try new things. Every time we lose a game we drop a forward, hannan, ANB, hunt and spargo and when we do, it is another of this same group that replaces them. Same deal began to happen across the park this year (although somewhat down to injuries)

When a mid went down it was vanders who came in when jordon and dunkley r there and we dont know if they're at the level but we wont find out

when hibbo missed a week it was harmes in the backline or ??jwagner?? playing what about chandler (believe he was training there over summer) 

when a forward had 4 touches they bring in another of these guys that we know what they offer at the level and theres a reason they aren't in the side consistently.

i think its time (and look at how port transformed their list) - baker, sparrow, jordon, bedford, petty, chandler, dunkley need to be next in next season so we can see if they're up to it and the next 3-4 guys we recruit + the say two who fall out of the 22 and those already contracted can fill their role in the twos alongside a couple of others. otherwise we are stagnating development and we end up with 10 players with no experience on the list just being passengers and ineffective players repeatedly offering us nil in the seniors but staying on the list as "good cover"

i feel like i havent really phrased my argument too well but hopefully yall understand kinda what im aiming for here