3 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

gary buckenera on polec's value:

Polec is an interesting situation. He’s on a good contract so that complicates things. If I was list manager I would want to keep him. But if Rhyce Shaw wants him out and a club is willing to pay his whole wage, then the Kangaroos will basically trade him for nothing. In other words, a salary dump. If the Kangaroos still pay some of his wage, then a pick around 40 would be a decent deal. This is how poor list decisions hurt.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/north-melbourne/gary-buckenara-analyses-north-melbournes-list-after-the-2020-season/news-story/f9bfc2ff465f22c084771f6d11d48a70

This may be why we are happy to move Preuss on for relatively little, instead of driving a bargain. It becomes Preuss + 40 for Polac + 39 + the salary.

If North are getting rid of Polec because of salary cap issues they are in SERIOUS trouble. I assume their list manager has been sacked by now

Another not quite right, like Brown why after 12 months do North want him out. Both players have big dollar contracts You would think the only North will get rid of them is if they pay part of their salaries. A bit like when We wanted Watts out. 

Is he toxic goods? 

13 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Is he toxic goods? 

North is toxic at the moment.  We are in a position to benefit from a fire sale with him and possibly Brown. They are not wanted anyway. Opportunities like these rarely occur in AFL when it's because a club is imploding. I assume we are doing due diligence (quickly) and hope we're not inventing reasons to not pursue. 

Best of luck to Rhyce Shaw. Thought his last few media performances showed very alarming signs. Copped a bit of criticism too, form those who should've known better given their closeness to Danny Frawley... 

3 hours ago, deanox said:

This may be why we are happy to move Preuss on for relatively little, instead of driving a bargain. It becomes Preuss + 40 for Polac + 39 + the salary.

Where have we indicated Preuss will be traded for "relatively little"?

Hopefully not let's get a player or high 3 or low2 fir him. 

Why should we roll over on Pruess? He is a desired ruckman with 2 years to go on his deal, why would we settle for F all?

14 hours ago, 58er said:

Where have we indicated Preuss will be traded for "relatively little"?

Hopefully not let's get a player or high 3 or low2 fir him. 

Sorry, I wasn't saying we had said that. I was saying it's why we might be happy to do so.

We could drive a real hard bargain based on 2 year contract and get nowhere. If we were demanding more than anyone would offer, then this wouldnt be public.

So it is possible that we decided to accept a more reasonable compensation to make sure he moves, so that we can improve our overall list position.

 

If Preuss leaving for a slightly lower pick than we think he is worth allows us to improve ourlist position overall, then why would we play hardball on principal and miss out?

19 hours ago, DubDee said:

If North are getting rid of Polec because of salary cap issues they are in SERIOUS trouble. I assume their list manager has been sacked by now

 

18 hours ago, old dee said:

Another not quite right, like Brown why after 12 months do North want him out. Both players have big dollar contracts You would think the only North will get rid of them is if they pay part of their salaries. A bit like when We wanted Watts out. 

North need to go for a hard rebuild so they need to get rid of players that are not a culture fit and/or can give them early picks.

They've got Cunnington, Ziebel, Goldstein and Tarrant so they are not lacking mature leaders.

On 10/9/2020 at 8:48 AM, Tough Kent said:

The thread has gone very cryptic all of a sudden.

if you know u know

On 10/14/2020 at 1:25 PM, Pollyanna said:

 

North need to go for a hard rebuild so they need to get rid of players that are not a culture fit and/or can give them early picks.

They've got Cunnington, Ziebel, Goldstein and Tarrant so they are not lacking mature leaders.

they are lacking quality between age 22 and 28.   leeeeaan years coming up

9 hours ago, DubDee said:

they are lacking quality between age 22 and 28.   leeeeaan years coming up

It's the mother of black holes, but they have some promising youth. It's going to be a tough grind at a bad time to be down.

Seems North have addressed the rumours on Rhyce Shaw that have been eluded to in the thread

"We have been acutely aware of speculation regarding our head coach, but we have not been in a position to say anything as we are respecting the wishes of Rhyce and his family. Rhyce has asked for some time and space away from football and we have provided him support during this period. We thank the media for their ongoing cooperation and trust they understand we can’t make further comment at this time."

 

from letter from the chairmen

https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/826849/letter-from-the-chairman

Edited October 16, 20204 yr by roy11
source

hopefully shaw gets the help he needs

media already speculating he ain't coming back

25 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

hopefully shaw gets the help he needs

media already speculating he ain't coming back

And nor should he. North are in for a world of hurt these next few years, and whatever mental ailments Rhyce has, the stress of being head coach would no doubt exacerbate such problems.

Edited October 16, 20204 yr by Demon Disciple

On 10/13/2020 at 6:18 PM, DubDee said:

If North are getting rid of Polec because of salary cap issues they are in SERIOUS trouble. I assume their list manager has been sacked by now

They replaced their list manager late November 2019, Glenn Luff is now their list manager, he was high up at Champion Data.

LOL at Polec being dropped after Round 8... where he received Brownlow votes!

35 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

LOL at Polec being dropped after Round 8... where he received Brownlow votes!

KIck chasing instead of following team defence rules?

North did lose to Carlton.

Edited October 19, 20204 yr by Pollyanna

On 10/13/2020 at 4:48 PM, DubDee said:

If North are getting rid of Polec because of salary cap issues they are in SERIOUS trouble. I assume their list manager has been sacked by now

From 12 September 2019, our old mate Barry was around the traps at the time!:

The Roos have also said they will part ways with list manager Michael McMahon, and other recruiting staff in Barry Prendergast and Nick Byrne will also depart.

 

1 minute ago, Pollyanna said:

KIck chasing instead of following team defence rules?

16 contests possessions (most of anyone on the ground) and 6 tackles would suggest he worked harder than most others and wasn't kick chasing. He was sent to play on Cripps and absolutely smashed him (25 disposals (16 contested) and a goal vs 16 disposals (8 contested)). The point is Polec was held to different standards at North for whatever reason and made into a scapegoat. He was dropped for a performance that was so good the umpires gave him votes in a losing side.

I'd have him in red and blue as he'd improve us on-field and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

21 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

16 contests possessions (most of anyone on the ground) and 6 tackles would suggest he worked harder than most others and wasn't kick chasing.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive. You can win contested possessions whilst also costing your team defensively.

13 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Those things aren't mutually exclusive. You can win contested possessions whilst also costing your team defensively.

Ah no worries. I'll see myself out then!

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

16 contests possessions (most of anyone on the ground) and 6 tackles would suggest he worked harder than most others and wasn't kick chasing. He was sent to play on Cripps and absolutely smashed him (25 disposals (16 contested) and a goal vs 16 disposals (8 contested)). The point is Polec was held to different standards at North for whatever reason and made into a scapegoat. He was dropped for a performance that was so good the umpires gave him votes in a losing side.

I'd have him in red and blue as he'd improve us on-field and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

Couldnt agree more. Should have finished his career at North but was no doubt sold a now atrocious plan for the club and has been unfairly made to shoulder some of the onfield blame. Polec is never going to be the balanced defensive player on the wing, but somebody who can actually kick and hit them through the big sticks goes a long way to improving our list. 

Don't think he ends up at the Dees due to his salary, but I think the knocks on his behaviour are way off the mark. Understandable to make those assumptions given he's looking at a 4th club, however went to Port from Brissy to live back in SA. Was lured out of Port as they didnt want to pay him a larger contract, and his move to the roos just hasnt worked due the monumental amount of issues that surround that club. 

Don't you love trade period..