Jump to content

Jack Viney Restricted Free Agent


JMDemon

Recommended Posts

It would literally rip the heart and soul out of this club if Viney were to play elsewhere.

I don’t want to even think about this being a possibility.

We’re too fragile as a club (and as a list) to deal with the potential fallout from this. Even a strong and confident club would struggle to lose such an important franchise player, and we’re not remotely that.

It’s bringing back fears of the super shrewd list management decisions made during the Neeld apocalyptic period.

Stop playing poker MFC, and re-sign him immediately please.

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 9/25/2020 at 5:24 PM, drysdale demon said:

Spot on.

So the way he play is under instructions form the coaches

I hope not!!

As I said elsewhere Iknow one coach who reckons he's is difficult to coach and wont take instructions.

Limited player who congests the midfield with poor kicking skills. I for one am  disappointed he is re signed

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I think it’s a coaching issue rather than a Jack Viney issue. We rarely have anyone near the outside of a pack waiting to receive the ball. Our mids are all see ball get ball. 

Couldn't agree more.  The set-up at stoppages, especially field stoppages is one of our weaknesses as there often isn't an outlet player; instead we play 'stacks on the mill'.

I agree its a coaching issue; I believe it comes back to the game plan and stoppage structures. 

Brisbane re-trained Mitch Robinson from the typical see-ball-get-ball inside mid to a wingmen who among other things patrolled his side of the ground and sat outside the pack as the outlet player at stoppages.  Mitch is not fast and is not the smartest guy in footy yet he is now one of the best wingmen in the AFL. 

I think we have the players that could be developed like Mitch was but it looks lie we haven't chosen to or don't know how to. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, Kent said:

So the way he play is under instructions form the coaches

I hope not!!

As I said elsewhere Iknow one coach who reckons he's is difficult to coach and wont take instructions.

Limited player who congests the midfield with poor kicking skills. I for one am  disappointed he is re signed

 

Well get ready for more disappointment because Goodwin is going nowhere either.

Which coach said he is difficult to coach.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Well get ready for more disappointment because Goodwin is going nowhere either.

Which coach said he is difficult to coach.

Private conversation with family member of midfield coach

Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, Kent said:

So the way he play is under instructions form the coaches

I hope not!!

As I said elsewhere Iknow one coach who reckons he's is difficult to coach and wont take instructions.

Limited player who congests the midfield with poor kicking skills. I for one am  disappointed he is re signed

 

Not surprised one bit. Goes in line with him not being well liked by certain senior players because of Viney's stubbornness and arrogance as a person. Though unfortunately he's well like by Goodwin in the same way as Melksham. 

I also have my views on whether he should be re-signed or not. I'd prefer we look at him exploring his options. His rugby union crash and bash, plus getting caught holding the ball 5 times a game just disrupts our midfield too much.

If rumours are true and he's re-signed with the club then he simply has to play as a forward in the same way the dogs have turned Mitch Wallis in that role. 

Its a pity though that Goodwin is stubborn as [censored] to work that out.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not surprised one bit. Goes in line with him not being well liked by certain senior players because of Viney's stubbornness and arrogance as a person. Though unfortunately he's well like by Goodwin in the same way as Melksham. 

I also have my views on whether he should be re-signed or not. I'd prefer we look at him exploring his options. His rugby union crash and bash, plus getting caught holding the ball 5 times a game just disrupts our midfield too much.

If rumours are true and he's re-signed with the club then he simply has to play as a forward in the same way the dogs have turned Mitch Wallis in that role. 

Its a pity though that Goodwin is stubborn as [censored] to work that out.

agree completely DD as I have said previously "What will change next year Viney can't Goodwin wont!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It would literally rip the heart and soul out of this club if Viney were to play elsewhere.

I don’t want to even think about this being a possibility.

We’re too fragile as a club (and as a list) to deal with the potential fallout from this. Even a strong and confident club would struggle to lose such an important franchise player, and we’re not remotely that.

It’s bringing back fears of the super shrewd list management decisions made during the Neeld apocalyptic period.

Stop playing poker MFC, and re-sign him immediately please.

 

It wont rip the heart and soul of the club players come and go these days players accept it and fans eventually accept it but lets face it Viney is a one trick pony would sooner develop another player or put Harmes back in the guts and play the role he did 2018. 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 top 3 finishes in the B+F in the last 4 years. Quibbling over him getting $50-100k more than you think he should get is not worth pushing him out.

He’s a leader, a CP machine, and will always give first use. 
He allows Oliver and Petracca to be more outside, and if Clayton wants to be as damaging as his mate in the 5 was in 2020 - he might want to take the assist that Viney provides.

  • Like 5
  • Thanks 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Just when I was leaning toward him staying i see another publication saying he is an $700-$800 a year player,  please... 

 

11 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah saw the $700-800K as well, eep...

 

5 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

If anywhere near correct I do not see how that is justified. 

The article you guys are talking about isn't listing his salary at the Dees or his expected salary at the Dees, and it says right off the bat the clubs generally have to pay overs to lure someone away.

"Luring a target out of his original home typically forces the new club to pay overs, while destination clubs are often happy to pay even more for free agents knowing they won't have to part with a draft pick."

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jack Viney plays his best football when he is assigned a clear defensive task and then counterattacks when the opportunities come.  It focuses him and also minimises the weakness of his 'impulsive' ball use because the occasions when a tagger gets the ball are rarely part of plan A. 

Put him on the opposition's best and/or softest inside ball user and tell him to dominate that opponent.

When he's not doing that, put him up forward and tell him to hunt at will and to be as impulsive as he wants.

Do it right and we'll be talking about Mitch Wallis as the proverbial poor man's Jack Viney.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

 

The article you guys are talking about isn't listing his salary at the Dees or his expected salary at the Dees, and it says right off the bat the clubs generally have to pay overs to lure someone away.

"Luring a target out of his original home typically forces the new club to pay overs, while destination clubs are often happy to pay even more for free agents knowing they won't have to part with a draft pick."

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

 

That's fair enough but it scares you a bit about the region we'd need to pay to possibly keep him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

3 top 3 finishes in the B+F in the last 4 years. Quibbling over him getting $50-100k more than you think he should get is not worth pushing him out.

He’s a leader, a CP machine, and will always give first use. 
He allows Oliver and Petracca to be more outside, and if Clayton wants to be as damaging as his mate in the 5 was in 2020 - he might want to take the assist that Viney provides.

Great post.

I know Oliver is an "inside mid" but he is super capable on the outside. He has good acceleration into space, his run and carry is good, he is a creative handball and he is an excellent kick (when he has time and when he is concentrating,  I know he shanks some, but his best is top class).

Playing on the outside doesn't necessarily mean soft, loose, receiver on the wing. Petracca does both. The best mids do (Dangerfield, Bont, Judd etc. are all capable winning ball and using ball). But it was only this year that Oliver started doing this. We saw his game morph this year from purely inside and handballing out, to trying to kick and shanking, to accelerating out of the contest and delivering it. If that development trend continues, he will probably learn to play with Viney a bit better, particularly with respect to first touch posessions around the contest. 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #18 Jake Melksham

    After sustaining a torn ACL in the final match of the 2023 season Jake added a bit to the attack late in the 2024 season upon his return. He has re-signed on to the Demons for 1 more season in 2025. Date of Birth: 12 August 1991 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 229 Goals MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 188

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 4

    2024 Player Reviews: #3 Christian Salem

    The luckless Salem suffered a hamstring injury against the Lions early in the season and, after missing a number of games, he was never at his best. He was also inconvenienced by minor niggles later in the season. This was a blow for the club that sorely needed him to fill gaps in the midfield at times as well as to do his best work in defence. Date of Birth: 15 July 1995 Height: 184cm Games MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 176 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 26 Brownlow Meda

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 4

    2024 Player Reviews: #39 Koltyn Tholstrop

    The first round draft pick at #13 from twelve months ago the strongly built medium forward has had an impressive introduction to AFL football and is expected to spend more midfield moments as his career progresses. Date of Birth: 25 July 2005 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 10 Goals MFC 2024: 5 Career Total: 5 Games CDFC 2024: 7 Goals CDFC 2024: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #42 Daniel Turner

    The move of “Disco” to a key forward post looks like bearing fruit. Turner has good hands, moves well and appears to be learning the forward craft well. Will be an interesting watch in 2025. Date of Birth: January 28, 2002 Height: 195cm Games MFC 2024: 15 Career Total: 18 Goals MFC 2024: 17 Career Total: 17 Games CDFC 2024: 1 Goals CDFC 2024:  1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 15

    2024 Player Reviews: #8 Jake Lever

    The Demon’s key defender and backline leader had his share of injuries and niggles throughout the season which prevented him from performing at his peak.  Date of Birth: 5 March 1996 Height: 195cm Games MFC 2024: 18 Career Total: 178 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 5

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 1

    2024 Player Reviews: #13 Clayton Oliver

    Lack of preparation after a problematic preseason prevented Oliver from reaching the high standards set before last year’s hamstring woes. He carried injury right through the back half of the season and was controversially involved in a potential move during the trade period that was ultimately shut down by the club. Date of Birth:  22 July 1997 Height:  189cm Games MFC 2024:  21 Career Total: 183 Goals MFC 2024: 3 Career Total: 54 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    BLOODY BLUES by Meggs

    The conclusion to Narrm’s home and away season was the inevitable let down by the bloody Blues  who meekly capitulated to the Bombers.   The 2024 season fixture handicapped the Demons chances from the get-go with Port Adelaide, Brisbane and Essendon advantaged with enough gimme games to ensure a tough road to the finals, especially after a slew of early season injuries to star players cost wins and percentage.     As we strode confidently through the gates of Prin

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    2024 Player Reviews: #5 Christian Petracca

    Melbourne’s most important player who dominated the first half of the season until his untimely injury in the Kings Birthday clash put an end to his season. At the time, he was on his way to many personal honours and the club in strong finals contention. When the season did end for Melbourne and Petracca was slowly recovering, he was engulfed in controversy about a possible move of clubs amid claims about his treatment by the club in the immediate aftermath of his injury. Date of Birth: 4 J

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 21

    2024 Player Reviews: #2 Jacob van Rooyen

    Strong marking youngster who plays forward and relief ruck, continued to make significant strides forward in his career path. The Demons have high hopes for van Rooyen as he stakes his claim to become an elite attacking forward. Date of Birth: 16 April 2003 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 41 Goals MFC 2024: 30 Career Total: 58 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 36
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...