Do you want JV to stay? 
 

 

 

It would literally rip the heart and soul out of this club if Viney were to play elsewhere.

I don’t want to even think about this being a possibility.

We’re too fragile as a club (and as a list) to deal with the potential fallout from this. Even a strong and confident club would struggle to lose such an important franchise player, and we’re not remotely that.

It’s bringing back fears of the super shrewd list management decisions made during the Neeld apocalyptic period.

Stop playing poker MFC, and re-sign him immediately please.

 

On 9/25/2020 at 5:24 PM, drysdale demon said:

Spot on.

So the way he play is under instructions form the coaches

I hope not!!

As I said elsewhere Iknow one coach who reckons he's is difficult to coach and wont take instructions.

Limited player who congests the midfield with poor kicking skills. I for one am  disappointed he is re signed

 

13 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I think it’s a coaching issue rather than a Jack Viney issue. We rarely have anyone near the outside of a pack waiting to receive the ball. Our mids are all see ball get ball. 

Couldn't agree more.  The set-up at stoppages, especially field stoppages is one of our weaknesses as there often isn't an outlet player; instead we play 'stacks on the mill'.

I agree its a coaching issue; I believe it comes back to the game plan and stoppage structures. 

Brisbane re-trained Mitch Robinson from the typical see-ball-get-ball inside mid to a wingmen who among other things patrolled his side of the ground and sat outside the pack as the outlet player at stoppages.  Mitch is not fast and is not the smartest guy in footy yet he is now one of the best wingmen in the AFL. 

I think we have the players that could be developed like Mitch was but it looks lie we haven't chosen to or don't know how to. 

42 minutes ago, Kent said:

So the way he play is under instructions form the coaches

I hope not!!

As I said elsewhere Iknow one coach who reckons he's is difficult to coach and wont take instructions.

Limited player who congests the midfield with poor kicking skills. I for one am  disappointed he is re signed

 

Well get ready for more disappointment because Goodwin is going nowhere either.

Which coach said he is difficult to coach.

10 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Well get ready for more disappointment because Goodwin is going nowhere either.

Which coach said he is difficult to coach.

Private conversation with family member of midfield coach

3 minutes ago, Kent said:

Private conversation with family member of midfield coach

Yeah

12 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Yeah

and That means what?

1 hour ago, Kent said:

So the way he play is under instructions form the coaches

I hope not!!

As I said elsewhere Iknow one coach who reckons he's is difficult to coach and wont take instructions.

Limited player who congests the midfield with poor kicking skills. I for one am  disappointed he is re signed

 

Not surprised one bit. Goes in line with him not being well liked by certain senior players because of Viney's stubbornness and arrogance as a person. Though unfortunately he's well like by Goodwin in the same way as Melksham. 

I also have my views on whether he should be re-signed or not. I'd prefer we look at him exploring his options. His rugby union crash and bash, plus getting caught holding the ball 5 times a game just disrupts our midfield too much.

If rumours are true and he's re-signed with the club then he simply has to play as a forward in the same way the dogs have turned Mitch Wallis in that role. 

Its a pity though that Goodwin is stubborn as [censored] to work that out.

When a coach that prizes manic attack on the ball, and not much else, sees a player who manically attacks the ball, and does little else, he thinks "that's my kind of player ... he wins my vote for the B&F".

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not surprised one bit. Goes in line with him not being well liked by certain senior players because of Viney's stubbornness and arrogance as a person. Though unfortunately he's well like by Goodwin in the same way as Melksham. 

I also have my views on whether he should be re-signed or not. I'd prefer we look at him exploring his options. His rugby union crash and bash, plus getting caught holding the ball 5 times a game just disrupts our midfield too much.

If rumours are true and he's re-signed with the club then he simply has to play as a forward in the same way the dogs have turned Mitch Wallis in that role. 

Its a pity though that Goodwin is stubborn as [censored] to work that out.

agree completely DD as I have said previously "What will change next year Viney can't Goodwin wont!

2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It would literally rip the heart and soul out of this club if Viney were to play elsewhere.

I don’t want to even think about this being a possibility.

We’re too fragile as a club (and as a list) to deal with the potential fallout from this. Even a strong and confident club would struggle to lose such an important franchise player, and we’re not remotely that.

It’s bringing back fears of the super shrewd list management decisions made during the Neeld apocalyptic period.

Stop playing poker MFC, and re-sign him immediately please.

 

It wont rip the heart and soul of the club players come and go these days players accept it and fans eventually accept it but lets face it Viney is a one trick pony would sooner develop another player or put Harmes back in the guts and play the role he did 2018. 

Just when I was leaning toward him staying i see another publication saying he is an $700-$800 a year player,  please... 

Yeah saw the $700-800K as well, eep...

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah saw the $700-800K as well, eep...

If anywhere near correct I do not see how that is justified. 

11 hours ago, A F said:

I disagree entirely. He tries to go for the first possession. That's not defensive, that's attacking. 

When I get a chance later on I'll put some screenshots up to show what I mean.

3 top 3 finishes in the B+F in the last 4 years. Quibbling over him getting $50-100k more than you think he should get is not worth pushing him out.

He’s a leader, a CP machine, and will always give first use. 
He allows Oliver and Petracca to be more outside, and if Clayton wants to be as damaging as his mate in the 5 was in 2020 - he might want to take the assist that Viney provides.

4 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

If anywhere near correct I do not see how that is justified. 

It was what was mooted would be needed to buy him away from Melbourne.  Seems big coin.  What he is actually on might be less...

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Just when I was leaning toward him staying i see another publication saying he is an $700-$800 a year player,  please... 

 

11 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah saw the $700-800K as well, eep...

 

5 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

If anywhere near correct I do not see how that is justified. 

The article you guys are talking about isn't listing his salary at the Dees or his expected salary at the Dees, and it says right off the bat the clubs generally have to pay overs to lure someone away.

"Luring a target out of his original home typically forces the new club to pay overs, while destination clubs are often happy to pay even more for free agents knowing they won't have to part with a draft pick."

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

 

Jack Viney plays his best football when he is assigned a clear defensive task and then counterattacks when the opportunities come.  It focuses him and also minimises the weakness of his 'impulsive' ball use because the occasions when a tagger gets the ball are rarely part of plan A. 

Put him on the opposition's best and/or softest inside ball user and tell him to dominate that opponent.

When he's not doing that, put him up forward and tell him to hunt at will and to be as impulsive as he wants.

Do it right and we'll be talking about Mitch Wallis as the proverbial poor man's Jack Viney.

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

 

The article you guys are talking about isn't listing his salary at the Dees or his expected salary at the Dees, and it says right off the bat the clubs generally have to pay overs to lure someone away.

"Luring a target out of his original home typically forces the new club to pay overs, while destination clubs are often happy to pay even more for free agents knowing they won't have to part with a draft pick."

The price you have to pay: All the top trade targets and their market value

 

That's fair enough but it scares you a bit about the region we'd need to pay to possibly keep him.

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

When I get a chance later on I'll put some screenshots up to show what I mean.

Looking forward to it!

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

3 top 3 finishes in the B+F in the last 4 years. Quibbling over him getting $50-100k more than you think he should get is not worth pushing him out.

He’s a leader, a CP machine, and will always give first use. 
He allows Oliver and Petracca to be more outside, and if Clayton wants to be as damaging as his mate in the 5 was in 2020 - he might want to take the assist that Viney provides.

Great post.

I know Oliver is an "inside mid" but he is super capable on the outside. He has good acceleration into space, his run and carry is good, he is a creative handball and he is an excellent kick (when he has time and when he is concentrating,  I know he shanks some, but his best is top class).

Playing on the outside doesn't necessarily mean soft, loose, receiver on the wing. Petracca does both. The best mids do (Dangerfield, Bont, Judd etc. are all capable winning ball and using ball). But it was only this year that Oliver started doing this. We saw his game morph this year from purely inside and handballing out, to trying to kick and shanking, to accelerating out of the contest and delivering it. If that development trend continues, he will probably learn to play with Viney a bit better, particularly with respect to first touch posessions around the contest. 

6 hours ago, Kent said:

and That means what?

Yeah means Yeah

3 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Just when I was leaning toward him staying i see another publication saying he is an $700-$800 a year player,  please... 

Leaked by an oppo club to spook us into keeping him