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  On 14/03/2020 at 06:55, Demonland said:

 

There were a lot of people saying the cricket calendar was very crowded. This gives them a break then!

 
  On 14/03/2020 at 07:11, Darkhorse72 said:

I think they made a bad film on the nature fighting back called “The happening”. :)  

Other post: World birth rates have massively dropped across the world including in “third” world countries and is stabilising.  Population is increasing as people are living longer, and being able to live longer I think is important to all of us.  It’s been 100 years since the last pandemic so we were overdue, however, that does not mean we don’t use the most resources we have to save peoples lives because those people all have family. And people that care/love for them. To view otherwise displays a lack of empathy and basic humanity.  People often have those views until it affects them directly or their family.  

Nope not me this is man thinking they can control things, they say the death rate is 3.4 % who get cov19 that die, which is incorrect, thousands more have already had the virus, had just  mild symptoms, not got tested and living on.so the death rate is about 1%, just deal with people when they get sick, the mental health problems this panic the Doctors are causing will create more problems. the only way to control this virus, is to ban all sporting competition close all shops and schools and every business. this season will put all clubs around 10 million loss the season will not get half finished, the tv station will not pay this year's money, player will not be paid, it's a disaster that need not happen, the world is become soft. Scaredy cat hypochondriacs.

  On 14/03/2020 at 10:37, don't make me angry said:

Nope not me this is man thinking they can control things, they say the death rate is 3.4 % who get cov19 that die, which is incorrect, thousands more have already had the virus, had just  mild symptoms, not got tested and living on.so the death rate is about 1%, just deal with people when they get sick, the mental health problems this panic the Doctors are causing will create more problems. the only way to control this virus, is to ban all sporting competition close all shops and schools and every business. this season will put all clubs around 10 million loss the season will not get half finished, the tv station will not pay this year's money, player will not be paid, it's a disaster that need not happen, the world is become soft. Scaredy cat hypochondriacs.

Read almost anything about what's happening in Italy and tell me that people dying is better than people losing money.

Plenty of young or middle aged people will long lives ahead of them will die, either from chronic health conditions making it worse or just bad luck. There's not an opportunity to just limit it to nursing home bound 85 year olds.

The AFL can make back the money pretty easily. And if every player got docked 30% of their pay for the year that wouldn't be the end of the world either.

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      On 14/03/2020 at 07:43, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    Well I'm ready to go... to leave this mortal coil,  whenever it comes my way.  Have been like this for some years now.  I do not fear  'leaving'  any longer,  but grew up with the fear of death.

    Tis just a fear is all.

    Anytime the creator wants me,  or wants me gone,  I'm as ready as can be. 

     

    Now empathy,   I have too much empathy,   its one of my unbalanced areas. 

    But my empathy is not for the infants,  nor the children,  nor for just mothers...  but for life of all ages and al forms.   It is not restricted to a selfish point,  of just for Human forms.  But for nature in all its forms,  and balance.

     

    I feel sorry for you, that you are stuck with such a narrow viewpoint of your emotions,  and your restricted empathy.

    Preach. 

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      On 14/03/2020 at 11:13, DeeSpencer said:

    Plenty of young or middle aged people will long lives ahead of them will die, either from chronic health conditions making it worse or just bad luck.

    Not just. Good luck in Italy at the moment if you need urgent medical care because you wrap your Alfa around a tree or have a burst appendix. No matter how old you are.


      On 14/03/2020 at 07:43, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    Well I'm ready to go... to leave this mortal coil,  whenever it comes my way.  Have been like this for some years now.  I do not fear  'leaving'  any longer,  but grew up with the fear of death.

    That is a good point. Growing up wondering if some guy in the pentagon or the kremlin would press a button and end the world in a couple of hours, well this is small beer. Not that it isn’t something to be concerned about, but it’s just a new and different challenge that life throws up.

    I’ve never been to concerned about myself-to stupid maybe- but I will watch the show wondering just how the fall out from this (mostly economic and political) will change society, just as every upheaval has done

     

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    Figures tonight from France:

    4500 cases, which has doubled in 72 hours. Of those, 300 are in intensive care. And of those 300, half are younger than 60.

    A month ago we had 11 cases. 2 weeks ago, we'd just cracked 100.

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      On 14/03/2020 at 16:09, Uncle Fester said:

    That is a good point. Growing up wondering if some guy in the pentagon or the kremlin would press a button and end the world in a couple of hours, well this is small beer. Not that it isn’t something to be concerned about, but it’s just a new and different challenge that life throws up.

    I’ve never been to concerned about myself-to stupid maybe- but I will watch the show wondering just how the fall out from this (mostly economic and political) will change society, just as every upheaval has done.

    I'm predicting a massive sociological change and workplace change. 

    Around the world millions will be working from home.  Teaching is on line eg my niece and her husband are expat teachers in Hong Kong.  They have been teaching their primary and secondary students on-line since mid January and will do so until at least mid April.  A real challenge as they have 3yo and 6yo boys at home to 'Home School' and playgrounds have been shut since mid-January. 

    When this is over, many organisations will ask themselves:  'well this worked ok how can it work better' and continue employees working from home on a full time basis.  Sociologists will study the impact of working at home, teaching on line and home schooling.  Technology in all its forms will change and improve at an exponential rate to accommodate workplace and sociological changes.

    It may take a decade but the impact will be far reaching.

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      On 14/03/2020 at 10:37, don't make me angry said:

    Nope not me this is man thinking they can control things, they say the death rate is 3.4 % who get cov19 that die, which is incorrect, thousands more have already had the virus, had just  mild symptoms, not got tested and living on.so the death rate is about 1%, just deal with people when they get sick, the mental health problems this panic the Doctors are causing will create more problems. the only way to control this virus, is to ban all sporting competition close all shops and schools and every business. this season will put all clubs around 10 million loss the season will not get half finished, the tv station will not pay this year's money, player will not be paid, it's a disaster that need not happen, the world is become soft. Scaredy cat hypochondriacs.

    The panic doctors are causing creates more problems than a life threatening illness to immuno compromised people? What are you smoking?  Doctors are promoting that we take caution in eliminating unnecessary travel and being hygenic, its the blase attitude of people not taking this seriously that are the reason why this illness has spread and continues to spread. People compromising the health of those around them.

    "Just deal with it when people get sick" is the atttude that will overload health systems all at once and to the point where people will unneccessarily die from being turned away. In affected areas of Italy, doctors are having to choose who to give life saving equipment, respiratory aids and beds to, doctors and nurse shortaged, workers getting infected, infecting their families etc. Ive read reports from people over there, and they have a full lockdown now with only supermarkets and pharmacies open to avoid more spread. France and Spain now following suit. 

    Demonland is living up to its name with all the climate change deniers and eugenics proponents in here lately.

     

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      On 13/03/2020 at 09:01, DubDee said:

    Every pub is going to have 499 people crammed in watching the footy. What could go wrong? ?

    Italy has closed all but supermarkets and pharmacies, we could be at that quarantine stage within weeks if cases continue increasing and its not kept under control

    Edited by John Demonic


      On 14/03/2020 at 19:59, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I'm predicting a massive sociological change and workplace change. 

    Around the world millions will be working from home.  Teaching is on line eg my niece and her husband are expat teachers in Hong Kong.  They have been teaching their primary and secondary students on-line since mid January and will do so until at least mid April.  A real challenge as they have 3yo and 6yo boys at home to 'Home School' and playgrounds have been shut since mid-January. 

    When this is over, many organisations will ask themselves:  'well this worked ok how can it work better' and continue employees working from home on a full time basis.  Sociologists will study the impact of working at home, teaching on line and home schooling.  Technology in all its forms will change and improve at an exponential rate to accommodate workplace and sociological changes.

    It may take a decade but the impact will be far reaching.

    Fully agree with this! For years people talk that they could work from home, this will put this to the test and i bet (like you) businesses will change their views on who needs to work in the office full time. 

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      On 14/03/2020 at 20:57, John Demonic said:

    The panic doctors are causing creates more problems than a life threatening illness to immuno compromised people? What are you smoking?  Doctors are promoting that we take caution in eliminating unnecessary travel and being hygenic, its the blase attitude of people not taking this seriously that are the reason why this illness has spread and continues to spread. People compromising the health of those around them.

    "Just deal with it when people get sick" is the atttude that will overload health systems all at once and to the point where people will unneccessarily die from being turned away. In affected areas of Italy, doctors are having to choose who to give life saving equipment, respiratory aids and beds to, doctors and nurse shortaged, workers getting infected, infecting their families etc. Ive read reports from people over there, and they have a full lockdown now with only supermarkets and pharmacies open to avoid more spread. France and Spain now following suit. 

    Demonland is living up to its name with all the climate change deniers and eugenics proponents in here lately.

     

    There's no point in pointing this out to DMMA.  He was in charge of dealing with the Black Death in 1381 and saved 2/3 of the population. (don't ask about the other third.)

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    Just caught up with some of this thread.

    Might give Land a rest for a while. Too many [censored] idiots.

    Footy can't come quick enough.

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      On 14/03/2020 at 21:22, Born to Run said:

    Fully agree with this! For years people talk that they could work from home, this will put this to the test and i bet (like you) businesses will change their views on who needs to work in the office full time. 

    I work from home one day a week... the jokes and gags every week for over 2 years about what my tee time is or if I’m at the pub already or out mowing the lawn is ridiculous. I had to make a point of bringing it up at a Friday night drinks in front of the entire office as a draconian and out dated thought process. Here is hoping people are able to understand the value (if you’re self motivated) and extra work you can get done whilst at home and not surrounded by people wanting meetings or asking qs so you can’t focus on work. I’m saying that a number of large multi national businesses have gone away from working from home as they’ve seen productivity drop. 

    Sorry for digressing but this is an interesting by product of where this is leading.

      On 14/03/2020 at 09:50, faultydet said:

    Far easier to simply remove the Warriors from the NRL comp and continue with the remaining teams.

    I think i was sort of pointing to the bigger picture....but carry on.


    Looking likely schools will be closed from tomorrow they are making a decision today 

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    Has there been a credible explanation as to how Italy has ended up with 21,000 cases of CV. After China with 80,000 it is so far above the numbers in other countries.

    Good news is that China cases are down to between 10 and 20 a day so there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

      On 15/03/2020 at 01:23, brendan said:

    Looking likely schools will be closed from tomorrow they are making a decision today 

    which regions? schools are run by state dept of education

    i think it makes sense

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      On 15/03/2020 at 01:29, Diamond_Jim said:

    Has there been a credible explanation as to how Italy has ended up with 21,000 cases of CV. After China with 80,000 it is so far above the numbers in other countries.

    Good news is that China cases are down to between 10 and 20 a day so there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

    Hypotheses I've read:

    • The epicenter is in the industrial north which has one of the worst air pollution in the world
    • It has a high ratio of smokers (as have many countries in Europe and Asia).
    • It has a high proportion of 'elderly' people who are more susceptible; who could have been life long smokers.

    so more likely people have compromised respiratory systems and CV attacks the lungs.

    Also:

    • They never found 'patient zero' so couldn't find the source making it impossible to track his/her contacts and control the spread.
    • Were slow to lockdown the Lombardy epicenter, it wasn't properly enforced and locals left taking the virus with them.

    The first three partially explain why their death rate is so high.  Another explanation is they don't have enough ICU beds and ventilators/respirators.  Sadly, doctors are taking a 'wartime triage' approach; treat those that are likely to recover ie healthy and under 80 years of age (Some newspapers are saying the cut off age is 60?).  Harrowing for all.

    Other European countries are tracking the same as Italy on a timeline so it wouldn't surprise if they also end up with a high CV cases.

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      On 14/03/2020 at 10:37, don't make me angry said:

    Nope not me this is man thinking they can control things, they say the death rate is 3.4 % who get cov19 that die, which is incorrect, thousands more have already had the virus, had just  mild symptoms, not got tested and living on.so the death rate is about 1%, just deal with people when they get sick, the mental health problems this panic the Doctors are causing will create more problems. the only way to control this virus, is to ban all sporting competition close all shops and schools and every business. this season will put all clubs around 10 million loss the season will not get half finished, the tv station will not pay this year's money, player will not be paid, it's a disaster that need not happen, the world is become soft. Scaredy cat hypochondriacs.

    As a health professional who has read a lot about the crisis, I have found the events in Italy terrifying. You are right that the mortality rate is low (around 1%). In Italy it’s closer to 10% because everyone has contracted the disease at once and the health system is completely overwhelmed. They don’t have the capacity to ventilate anyone older than 60. It’s nuts. 
    The measures that are being taken are to prevent everyone contracting the virus at once. If we spread the process over the next couple of months we will be fine. But if everyone continues with their normal activities and spreads the disease rapidly...we could be italy #2. 
    So suck it up.

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      On 14/03/2020 at 19:59, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I'm predicting a massive sociological change and workplace change. 

    Around the world millions will be working from home.  Teaching is on line eg my niece and her husband are expat teachers in Hong Kong.  They have been teaching their primary and secondary students on-line since mid January and will do so until at least mid April.  A real challenge as they have 3yo and 6yo boys at home to 'Home School' and playgrounds have been shut since mid-January. 

    When this is over, many organisations will ask themselves:  'well this worked ok how can it work better' and continue employees working from home on a full time basis.  Sociologists will study the impact of working at home, teaching on line and home schooling.  Technology in all its forms will change and improve at an exponential rate to accommodate workplace and sociological changes.

    It may take a decade but the impact will be far reaching.

    And mental illness will sky rocket due to isolation and lack of stimulation.  Terrible idea.

    Know what would be easier?   Shut of all travel from China, forever.  And for the WHO to actually do something meaningful for once and shut down Chinese wet markets and  force a total clutlure change in that god awful country.

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      On 15/03/2020 at 02:21, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Hypotheses I've read:

    • The epicenter is in the industrial north which has one of the worst air pollution in the world
    • It has a high ratio of smokers (as have many countries in Europe and Asia).
    • It has a high proportion of 'elderly' people who are more susceptible; who could have been life long smokers.

    so more likely people have compromised respiratory systems and CV attacks the lungs.

    Also:

    • They never found 'patient zero' so couldn't find the source making it impossible to track his/her contacts and control the spread.
    • Were slow to lockdown the Lombardy epicenter, it wasn't properly enforced and locals left taking the virus with them.

    The first three partially explain why their death rate is so high.  Another explanation is they don't have enough ICU beds and ventilators/respirators.  Sadly, doctors are taking a 'wartime triage' approach; treat those that are likely to recover ie healthy and under 80 years of age (Some newspapers are saying the cut off age is 60?).  Harrowing for all.

    Other European countries are tracking the same as Italy on a timeline so it wouldn't surprise if they also end up with a high CV cases.

    Ah good comments enlightened one. 

    Italy was slow to react, as has Terra Scomo. 

    We also do not have the ICU beds, respirators and protective equipment to cope with a sudden spike in cases. 

    And we have too many people with a laissez faire attitude. From politicians down many want a bob each way. 

    You don’t need to be a scientist or genius. You just need to look at what’s happening overseas and how governments have reacted. 

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    PM just announced a NZ type travel ban.

    All arrivals from overseas required to self isolate.

    What it means in practice.... who knows

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    17 round season at best.
    Round 1 will surely be called off.


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