2020 Leadership Group

[WERRIDEE 5,435]

CO-CAPTAINS : VINEY, GAWN

VICE-CAPTAINS: JETTA, T.MCDONALD

[Lefty 412]

Surely they make an announcement before the first practice match or do we go into this game without an established leadership group?

[Demonland 71,264]

59 minutes ago, Lefty said:

Surely they make an announcement before the first practice match or do we go into this game without an established leadership group?

It's only a practice match. Jack is still technically captain and Max isn't available anyway but I get your point. I've noticed that quite a few teams have announced their leadership groups in the past week.

[Ted Lasso 19,278]

My guess would be 

Co captains - Jack Viney, Max Gawn 

Leadership group: Nev Jetta, Tom McDonald, Jake Lever, Jake Melksham

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Lefty said:

Surely they make an announcement before the first practice match or do we go into this game without an established leadership group?

Let's be honest - the leadership group and the big announcement is more for 'show' than anything.  We will already have leaders across the ground (eg. someone like Jake Lever or Nev Jetta directing traffic in the backline) so not announcing anything right now isn't a big deal. 

[Laughing Goat 308]

Max sole captain for me......

Jetta & T Mac vice captains

IMO Viney needs to focus on getting his body right & playing consistent footy without the burden of being skipper. Lever & May shouldn't even come into consideration (yet). Lever 19 games for MFC & May 8 games for MFC. Both reported to be on $800k per year & need to play more consistent footy. 

[old dee 23,762]

8 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Let's be honest - the leadership group and the big announcement is more for 'show' than anything.  We will already have leaders across the ground (eg. someone like Jake Lever or Nev Jetta directing traffic in the backline) so not announcing anything right now isn't a big deal. 

Agree Wiseblood.

IMO when the structure is actually announced will make zero difference to the win loss results this season.

[58er 6,379]

6 hours ago, old dee said:

Agree Wiseblood.

IMO when the structure is actually announced will make zero difference to the win loss results this season.

That is a ridiculous statement 

Why have a leadership group then?

OD not much knowledge gained in your many years !

Wiseblood time to change your name to Not very wise blood !

Seriously guys good Leadership groups set standards and maintain them.

Have a big influence out on the ground if they do their job properly.

Poor old Luke Hodge Ron Barassi (and Stephan May)  must be wondering what Leadership is.

in good Clubs it makes a big difference.

Perhaps last  years Leaders efforts have dulled your judgement and memory after watching the Dees 

[Pates 9,659]

What I’d like:

Captain: Gawn

Vice: Viney

LG: Harmes, May, Jetta

What I expect is they’ll go with a group close to that with Gawn and Viney Co-Captains. 

[old dee 23,762]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

That is a ridiculous statement 

Why have a leadership group then?

OD not much knowledge gained in your many years !

Wiseblood time to change your name to Not very wise blood !

Seriously guys good Leadership groups set standards and maintain them.

Have a big influence out on the ground if they do their job properly.

Poor old Luke Hodge Ron Barassi (and Stephan May)  must be wondering what Leadership is.

in good Clubs it makes a big difference.

Perhaps last  years Leaders efforts have dulled your judgement and memory after watching the Dees 

You have totally missed the point. I said it will make no difference when it is announced. i.e today, tomorrow, next week or the day before the first game.

 

[58er 6,379]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

You have totally missed the point. I said it will make no difference when it is announced. i.e today, tomorrow, next week or the day before the first game.

 

Profound apologies OD and Wiseblood.

Perhaps I should  catch up With DL a bit earlier in the day.

Hope it's great season 

Go Dees 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Anyone catch 7 News a short time ago? Wife text me saying they previewed a story about our captaincy and Viney is set to lose it. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Dee Zephyr

[Swooper1987 3,322]

7 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Anyone catch 7 News a short time ago? Wife text me saying they previewed a story about our captaincy and Viney is set to lose it. 

Tom Chadwick reported that Viney was not amongst the top vote getters in the players vote.  Specifically mentioned Gawn, Lever and May as leading that.  Said that it was possible the players could be overruled, but unlikely.  Apparently Viney was very disappointed according to Tom.  That was about it.

[brendan 3,434]

I think jack has plenty of time to be captain he needs to be a bit selfish and work on his own game for a bit, max sole captain but leave Viney in the leadership group tmac vice captain 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Interesting if it turns out to be true.

While I'm sure most would be happy with Max as captain, going with a Lever or May as VC (or both) would be a questionable move.  Again, I'm only going by the info above so it's all assumption, but it would be clear that the playing group as a whole value them as leaders even though they have struggled to get on the park.  The players would know more than us on this issue, and wouldn't vote for them if they didn't rate them as leaders, but it would still be a very interesting outcome if true.

[joshua 74]

Looking in advance obviously but surely lever would have to be one of our next captains?

[Lord Travis 10,696]

If Lever can stay on the park, he should wind up captain in the future. He’s the most natural leader we have out there and acts as the general directing traffic. We don’t have many vocal leaders and onfield coach types unfortunately. 

[old dee 23,762]

15 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Interesting if it turns out to be true.

While I'm sure most would be happy with Max as captain, going with a Lever or May as VC (or both) would be a questionable move.  Again, I'm only going by the info above so it's all assumption, but it would be clear that the playing group as a whole value them as leaders even though they have struggled to get on the park.  The players would know more than us on this issue, and wouldn't vote for them if they didn't rate them as leaders, but it would still be a very interesting outcome if true.

Agree I have little confidence that either of them can stay on the park.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Agree I have little confidence that either of them can stay on the park.

Time will tell.  May hasn't exactly covered himself in glory, but I'm more bullish about Lever's long term future with the club.

[picket fence 17,033]

If the Co Captaincy model is again adopted then this club again refuses to make HARD DECISIONS!!

Viney needs to concentrate on getting a game!

[Demon trucker 1,800]

11 minutes ago, picket fence said:

If the Co Captaincy model is again adopted then this club again refuses to make HARD DECISIONS!!

Viney needs to concentrate on getting a game!

Viney going to make U cry by years end 

[Earl Hood 6,082]

2 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Disappointing if this is true and some turd in the club is leaking information.

Yes I saw the channel 7 report and my first thought was who blabbed? As no decision has been made or at least ready to announce. I still remember many of us questioning the original decision elevate Viney to the co captaincy that [censored] off Jones at the time. I don’t think that decision was driven by the players, it was a call by Goodwin? but I may remember that wrong. Many said at the time, why so early in his career, just make him vice captain and let him learn from Jones and co. Now it seems the players are not impressed and Viney has spoken about not being ready, not understanding that not everyone is an unstoppable bull at the contest and at training etc, etc, etc.
 

I mean I have seen this so often in the workplace where people are promoted into people management positions too early but more importantly without the leadership training to understand how their behaviour can impact on their team members. So you get managers who believe they have to lead by example instead of stepping back and asking others for their thoughts and ideas. Anyway maybe that’s old school thinking, I am not being paid $300k plus a year to be an AFL club Leadership guru.

[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

11 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes I saw the channel 7 report and my first thought was who blabbed? As no decision has been made or at least ready to announce. I still remember many of us questioning the original decision elevate Viney to the co captaincy that [censored] off Jones at the time. I don’t think that decision was driven by the players, it was a call by Goodwin? but I may remember that wrong. Many said at the time, why so early in his career, just make him vice captain and let him learn from Jones and co. Now it seems the players are not impressed and Viney has spoken about not being ready, not understanding that not everyone is an unstoppable bull at the contest and at training etc, etc, etc.
 

I mean I have seen this so often in the workplace where people are promoted into people management positions too early but more importantly without the leadership training to understand how their behaviour can impact on their team members. So you get managers who believe they have to lead by example instead of stepping back and asking others for their thoughts and ideas. Anyway maybe that’s old school thinking, I am not being paid $300k plus a year to be an AFL club Leadership guru.

Well said Earl

I never liked Viney as Captain for all the reasons you have stated. 
I am not having a go at him, he is just not made of the right stuff to be Captain. 
People management is a tough gig, hey i never wanted to be top dog at my work. I just wanted to work. If my Boss told me to work late i did it. But i didn’t take work home with me. I left it at the Front Gate and picked it up the next day

Captains are that 24/7. It takes special people to do it right

[dazzledavey36 54,212]

26 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes I saw the channel 7 report and my first thought was who blabbed? As no decision has been made or at least ready to announce. I still remember many of us questioning the original decision elevate Viney to the co captaincy that [censored] off Jones at the time. I don’t think that decision was driven by the players, it was a call by Goodwin? but I may remember that wrong. Many said at the time, why so early in his career, just make him vice captain and let him learn from Jones and co. Now it seems the players are not impressed and Viney has spoken about not being ready, not understanding that not everyone is an unstoppable bull at the contest and at training etc, etc, etc.
 

I mean I have seen this so often in the workplace where people are promoted into people management positions too early but more importantly without the leadership training to understand how their behaviour can impact on their team members. So you get managers who believe they have to lead by example instead of stepping back and asking others for their thoughts and ideas. Anyway maybe that’s old school thinking, I am not being paid $300k plus a year to be an AFL club Leadership guru.

No, this is spot on and absolutely well put.

[dazzledavey36 54,212]

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well said Earl

I never liked Viney as Captain for all the reasons you have stated. 
I am not having a go at him, he is just not made of the right stuff to be Captain. 
People management is a tough gig, hey i never wanted to be top dog at my work. I just wanted to work. If my Boss told me to work late i did it. But i didn’t take work home with me. I left it at the Front Gate and picked it up the next day

Captains are that 24/7. It takes special people to do it right

Is it coincidence that now Viney senior is gone Jack gets demoted....?