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With the Captaincy likely to be announced in the coming days/week who do you think will form the 2020 Leadership Group?

2019 Leadership group
Nathan Jones (co-captain)
Jack Viney (co-captain)
Max Gawn
Neville Jetta

With Nathan Jones vacating the captaincy does he still retain a spot in the Leadership Group?

Who else deserves a call up? Tom McDonald? Jake Lever? Steven May?

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Yes I saw the channel 7 report and my first thought was who blabbed? As no decision has been made or at least ready to announce. I still remember many of us questioning the original decision elevate V

If Lever can stay on the park, he should wind up captain in the future. He’s the most natural leader we have out there and acts as the general directing traffic. We don’t have many vocal leaders and o

Time will tell.  May hasn't exactly covered himself in glory, but I'm more bullish about Lever's long term future with the club.

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Semi-related in terms of numbers. Recent years have seen the Dees cut down the numbers of people in the Leadership Group. A number of years ago I recall having a large group.

Do you prefer a smaller group?

Brisbane have named a 9 man leadership group this year meaning that half the players on the field are officially "leaders".

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Just now, Lord Nev said:

Trying to guess what it will be, rather than what I would like...

Viney & Gawn as co-captains

Then Jetta, Lever, TMac and possibly Melksham.

I think TMac into the leadership group is a no brainer. Well spoken and key player in the forward line.

Hard to see Jetta not being in the group.

We keep hearing and, if you head down to training see, how good a leader Lever is. Playing Devil's Advocate he does have a susceptibility to injury. He's had 2 ACLs. We need leaders on the field. Perhaps that is me being a little harsh. On paper I like Lever as a leader.

Never really thought of Melksham in that way.

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Maybe it’s because of the ever growing admiration for this bloke, but I would like to see Harmes in the LG. 

Preference would be -

Viney (C)

Gawn (VC)

Jetta, T Mac, Harmes/Lever 

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3 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Maybe it’s because of the ever growing admiration for this bloke, but I would like to see Harmes in the LG. 

Preference would be -

Viney (C)

Gawn (VC)

Jetta, T Mac, Harmes/Lever 

I'd have it the other way around

Gawn (C)

Viney (VC)

Tmac/Harmes (DVC)

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I'm not so passionate about T-mac being in there.

I think Gawn/Viney are co-captains, despite what I'd prefer.

Gawn/Viney (C)

Lever, May, Jetta as the remainder of leadership group.

Waiting in the wings would be Harmes

 

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A dearth of on-field leadership last year would incline me to think they'll increase the group this year.

I don't think Viney will be demoted either.

Gawn / Viney C-C

Jetta, TMac, Lever & Harmes

I think 'Nut' is a genuine chance and Jones will be a leader officially or unofficially.

May could be leadership material but he's got to get some runs on the board first.

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Gawn captain.

Some combination of Viney, McDonald and Jetta as deputies.

Neither May nor Lever deserve to be anywhere near the leadership group until they can put together a full season of consistently strong performances.

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Gawn&Viney captains

May, Jetta and TMac leadership group.

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10 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I'm not so passionate about T-mac being in there.

My thoughts on TMac are based purely on his ability to talk in front of the media. As someone else mentioned in the Co-Captains Model thread you need a mix of PR person and leader on the field which is why Max and Jack make a good pairing if you have to go down the Co route.

As for TMac's on field leadership role I cannot speak to. For some reason I do think it's important to have leaders across all lines. TMac for mine seems like the best option up forward.

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1 hour ago, Demonland said:

I think TMac into the leadership group is a no brainer. Well spoken and key player in the forward line.

Hard to see Jetta not being in the group.

We keep hearing and, if you head down to training see, how good a leader Lever is. Playing Devil's Advocate he does have a susceptibility to injury. He's had 2 ACLs. We need leaders on the field. Perhaps that is me being a little harsh. On paper I like Lever as a leader.

Never really thought of Melksham in that way.

My guess is very much impacted by injury history. I feel like only 1 out of May and Lever will be put in the group, and given his age and ability to continue in the role for a long time I think Lever may get it. Similar with TMac and Melksham, I think we 100% need an official leader at the forward end, TMac seems the obvious choice but I wonder if another forward may be named as well to cover for that injury risk.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into that.

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24 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Agree with all of the above. He's very articulate and well spoken.

My theory is he will keep being all those things without any title. 

That can be said about any player in or out of the leadership group. 

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My mates theory from the team photo is that the captain always sits on the right of the coach. Gawn has pole position with Viney either co captain or vice captain. Nev in the group with TMac & Lever and it would be no surprise to see Jones in their too.

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13 minutes ago, Older demon said:

My mates theory from the team photo is that the captain always sits on the right of the coach. Gawn has pole position with Viney either co captain or vice captain. Nev in the group with TMac & Lever and it would be no surprise to see Jones in their too.

Good observation. I hadn't thought about the team photo being taken before the leaders have been announced. 

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Players get demoted all the time from the leadership group, so I don't think it's overly shocking. My opinion is that Viney shouldn't be captain as he needs to focus on his form first and foremost. Also, the co-captain model is no longer in vogue, which is also evident with the most recent premiership winners.

Gawn as (C)

Viney as (VC)

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5 hours ago, BW511 said:

I'm not so passionate about T-mac being in there.

I think Gawn/Viney are co-captains, despite what I'd prefer.

Gawn/Viney (C)

Lever, May, Jetta as the remainder of leadership group.

Waiting in the wings would be Harmes

 

if we're going to have a leadership group, I'm not sure the best model would have three defenders (four if Harmes plays in defence and is chosen to join the group) and no-one forward of centre. That being said, I'm a strong believer in (1) having a single captain, vice-captain and deputy vice captain and that's it and (2) choosing captains for their off-field capabilties as much or even more than their on-field leadership.   

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Gawn and Viney as co-captains seems all but a certainty if there is any truth to Viney campaigning amongst players for their vote

I’d have Jetta and Harmes as VC

From what I gather we have a very “quiet” group with no really demonstrative leader amongst the current crop 

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I'm not convinced we should make Gawn captain on the basis that his knees may not be able to handle the weight of captaincy.  Is this talk of Gawn as Captain and his knee injury a coincidence, maybe not? Regardless we cannot afford to take the risk that the two are connected.

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With Jones stepping down, I can't see the club also taking Viney out of the captaincy role.  I don't think it would be a good look for the club, and I'd be happy with Gawn and Viney as co-captains.  They might ask Viney to step back in the coming years, but it makes sense to have them both for 2020.

Take your pick out of the usual suspects to make up the rest of the leadership group.

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Given the considerable criticism about our lack of on-field leadership in 2019, I'm attracted to the concept of having a nominated leader in each part of the ground.  I'm comfortable with Gawn and Viney sharing the captaincy, and I think Lever would be an outstanding marshal in our back half, and imo, it would be almost impossible to omit Nev.  The forward half is more tricky.  T.Mac is the obvious choice, but IIRC he has had a couple of stints in the leadership group but hasn't lasted long in that role.  I have no idea if there is an underlying reason for this, but if not, I would go for him.  tbh, none of the other regular forwards inspires me greatly as a potential leader.

ps. wwsw's post above is the first I've heard of Viney 'campaigning' for votes.  If it's true, I don't like it.  Unity is imperative!

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If taking anything from the official team photo shoot it looks likely Viney and Gawn as Co Captains being either side of Goody. I would then go for Lever (great communicator at Maroochy), Jetta and Tom Mac.

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