On 08/02/2020 at 08:37, McQueen said:

Plonker is a bit harsh but whatever. 
 

I'm sure it’s going to improve and really hope it does at a faster rate than what we’re seeing now. 
 

It was awful watching. 

If you're comparing it with the elite AFL men's sides then you will always be disappointed. But I do like the competition they show and their desire to get the ball.

But that's not why I asked if your comment was necessary. What you posted  with a capital "U" was derogatory and distasteful.

Nana had it right when she said "If you don't have anything nice to say then it's best to say nothing at all" I'm sure you would have thought her some Left leaning loony member of the PC Brigade. But I think the following definition of the term is more in keeping with you.

PC Brigade

(Noun) (Abbr. Political Correctness Brigade) (Chiefly British)

A smug, knee-jerk, ill-defined catch-all word that is overused by closet racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots to describe anyone who dares to challenge their hate speech with the values of respect and common human decency.

Good Lord I thought I could be a bit self righteous......

  On 08/02/2020 at 09:20, binman said:

Good Lord I thought I could be a bit self righteous......

Hey, I didn't write that definition, it's in the Urban Dictionary. Now if I was self righteous, I would have said and there was a picture of "McQueen" (not the real one though)

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It wasn’t going our way early, we weren’t clean and North took their chances in the first. Effort was there and when you’re looking for something to inspire or just lift the team that little bit more up steps Hore with that great tackle that led to her and our opening goal. Game changing moment for me. She was fantastic today.  

Great win by the team. 

  On 08/02/2020 at 09:09, Good Lord George said:

I get that some people don't enjoy the spectacle. You're one and that's fine. It's your right to have that opinion.

I do enjoy it, but I can still acknowledge it lacks the quality of the men's comp. And I don't think it will improve dramatically until the AFL buy in completely. These ladies aren't professionals. They have shorter preseasons which, due to work commitments, involve a few hours at the club a week. They play 8 games (I think) plus finals and then go back to their respective state leagues where, again, their training is limited by work commitments. 

Until the AFL commits to a full pre-season and season with professional players and coaches, I think the quality will continue to be an issue for people. It's not for me, but I've never expected it to be at or near the level of the men's comp. Some people might argue they don't deserve to be paid a professional wage or don't pull their own weight yet until the quality picks up further, but I don't see how it would without players having the time and resources to work at it full time.

I'm in the same boat. I watch it because it's Dees related and I want to see them win! Women or men. 

I dont understand why others feel the need to shoot someone else down just because they don't agree with the concept or have no interest. I can see why people don't enjoy it.

 

  On 08/02/2020 at 09:28, dworship said:

Hey, I didn't write that definition, it's in the Urban Dictionary. Now if I was self righteous, I would have said and there was a picture of "McQueen" (not the real one though)

I wasn't referring to the definition.....

  On 08/02/2020 at 10:08, binman said:

I wasn't referring to the definition.....

Oh, slinking off now.

  On 08/02/2020 at 09:56, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm in the same boat. I watch it because it's Dees related and I want to see them win! Women or men. 

 

 

I am only interested in watching the dees play (and the grand final). But that largely applies to the men too.

I  don't mind the low scoring and different skill level. I look at as different game to an extent. The arm wrestle has its own fascination.

And skills aside the courage to put their bodies on the line they way they do is phenomenal. So gutsy. And tough. And they are at huge risk of injury (without the same sort of income protection) given their bio dynamics, strength, size, inexperience and the fact they are not professional (far from it). 

But i had a very familiar sense of tension and nerves in the last 3 minutes of today's game as they battled to keep it in our forward half and fight to to hang on for a win. And i was pumped when they did. Loved how joyous they were too.

Go dees! 

Anyway back to the footy

Ppaxman is a ripper isn’t she, O’Dea got better as the game went on, Hore kept us alive early, you can sort of tell Zanker loves the jumper and Birch has been a great pick up. 
Bloody handy to win the fist game. Keeps us on the front foot

Looking forward to next Friday 

 

  On 08/02/2020 at 09:09, Good Lord George said:

I get that some people don't enjoy the spectacle. You're one and that's fine. It's your right to have that opinion.

I do enjoy it, but I can still acknowledge it lacks the quality of the men's comp. And I don't think it will improve dramatically until the AFL buy in completely. These ladies aren't professionals. They have shorter preseasons which, due to work commitments, involve a few hours at the club a week. They play 8 games (I think) plus finals and then go back to their respective state leagues where, again, their training is limited by work commitments. 

Until the AFL commits to a full pre-season and season with professional players and coaches, I think the quality will continue to be an issue for people. It's not for me, but I've never expected it to be at or near the level of the men's comp. Some people might argue they don't deserve to be paid a professional wage or don't pull their own weight yet until the quality picks up further, but I don't see how it would without players having the time and resources to work at it full time.

That’s exactly how i feel. Happy for girls to play the game, good on them. 
but it is hard to watch

3 goals per side. Long way to go. 

  On 08/02/2020 at 08:06, HardBallGet said:

As others have pointed out the game goes for half as long as a men's match so scores will be much lower.

It’s not as if the men’s league has been covering themselves in glory in this department.

Last year we had  just 3 AFL games were the losing side scored 100 points (we were involved in 2 of these)

Conversely in 2000, we already had three 100-100 games by Sunday night of round 1.

The lack of scoring is an epidemic across both leagues.

  On 08/02/2020 at 11:32, Sir Why You Little said:

That’s exactly how i feel. Happy for girls to play the game, good on them. 
but it is hard to watch

3 goals per side. Long way to go. 

I wouldn't say I find it hard to watch, but I can understand why others do. I still look forward to it and as a Dad to two girls (and a boy) I'll be encouraging them to watch it as much as possible.

I saw about 10 minutes of the Brisbane v Adelaide game last night. In very wet conditions, they were clean with the footy and used it well. Both teams looked a fair way ahead of us as we were scrappy and had poor skills for the most part. Hopefully, this will vastly improve now that the cobwebs have been blown out.

Great to see the win first up and for Daisy to get back out there again.

@McQueen I've seen a lot of VFL games played in similar conditions at Casey and the standard has been truly awful and dare I say it but probably worse than yesterdays game.  Frankly the standard yesterday was much better than I was expecting and if that game were played in the first year of the competition it could well have been a scoreless draw.  The women's game is certainly improving.

Games played at lower standard than AFL seniors are really suffering from the level of pressure and tackling now so much part of our game.  Tackling and pressure is more a mindset than a difficult skill to master and when it's applied at lower skill levels it can destroy games.  Add conditions that make skills difficult to execute and you get pretty awful games. As a specticle yesterday was nothing but as a contest it was terrific and I can't help to get involved when the MFC are playing. 

Having said that I can't see that McQueen's comment was necessary or what it achieved.  Why not just appreciate the effort and courage of these women because that was, without question, fantastic and well worth watching.

Love watching the girls play, but unfortunately the AFL is destroying it as a spectacle, by bringing in too many teams too early. 

The quality and skills that were seen in the original Melbourne v Bulldogs exhibitions was first class, but now we have only 4 to 6 genuinely good players in each side. 

We know how good players like Daisy, Kearney, Harris, Paxman, Vescio are going to perform, because they have been playing the game for a long time, and can kick, mark and handball to the standards we are used to seeing in the mens game.  Unfortunately, they have teammates who simply cannot do the basics at the moment.  It WILL come, but in the meantime, the spectacle is being trashed.

 

  On 08/02/2020 at 22:30, Baghdad Bob said:

@McQueen I've seen a lot of VFL games played in similar conditions at Casey and the standard has been truly awful and dare I say it but probably worse than yesterdays game.  Frankly the standard yesterday was much better than I was expecting and if that game were played in the first year of the competition it could well have been a scoreless draw.  The women's game is certainly improving.

Games played at lower standard than AFL seniors are really suffering from the level of pressure and tackling now so much part of our game.  Tackling and pressure is more a mindset than a difficult skill to master and when it's applied at lower skill levels it can destroy games.  Add conditions that make skills difficult to execute and you get pretty awful games. As a specticle yesterday was nothing but as a contest it was terrific and I can't help to get involved when the MFC are playing. 

Having said that I can't see that McQueen's comment was necessary or what it achieved.  Why not just appreciate the effort and courage of these women because that was, without question, fantastic and well worth watching.

Each to their own mate. 
 

My comment could’ve been worded differently but it’s only semantics and doesn’t change my opinion. 
As I’ve said several times, I was happy we got the win - any win for the MFC is a great outcome. 
But as you’ve said, VFL and suburban footy can have shocking displays of skill and execution which is often affected by weather conditions and opposition pressure etc and we can all happily ‘can’ it until the cows come home!

It’s obvious now though that because I called a female match unwatchable and awful that posters here have thought it okay to pile on eventually allude I’m a closet racist and a homophobe. 
Sport is open to criticism from anyone who watches it closely enough to give it and to me it doesn’t matter if it’s male or female contests. 
I accept that the standard will get better but until then I’m happy to call it as I see it. 

  On 08/02/2020 at 09:28, dworship said:

Hey, I didn't write that definition, it's in the Urban Dictionary. Now if I was self righteous, I would have said and there was a picture of "McQueen" (not the real one though)

And if you are in fact a magistrate as your username suggests but take your information from the urban dictionary off the internet then Lord help us. 

just watched the replay 

I have said many times , too many team too quickly , the spread of talent just isn't there yet. The Afl need to leave the game alone and let the talent catch up. its hurting the game 

Some of the commentators are shocking , one minute its the wind, next minute what wind.

 

  On 08/02/2020 at 07:15, McQueen said:

Join me in getting bashed by the PC brigade mate. 
They’re frothing for it - opinions don’t mean jack. 
 

The original comment had nothing to do with PCness at all... it called you out for the comment being unnecessary; surely you've heard the expression "if you don't have anything nice to say..."etc.

I suggest you go and take a look at the records of the mens' game when the comp first start way back when... the scores were pretty much on par with what we are seeing now in the AFLW.  The main issue I can see with the AFLW is that in order to get the game a higher profile, they recruited "names" from other sports, meaning that many women who had been playing the game at roots level for a long time and who probably have better skill sets, are missing out.  I don't know if that's still the case?

  On 09/02/2020 at 00:28, hardtack said:

The original comment had nothing to do with PCness at all... it called you out for the comment being unnecessary; surely you've heard the expression "if you don't have anything nice to say..."etc.

I suggest you go and take a look at the records of the mens' game when the comp first start way back when... the scores were pretty much on par with what we are seeing now in the AFLW.  The main issue I can see with the AFLW is that in order to get the game a higher profile, they recruited "names" from other sports, meaning that many women who had been playing the game at roots level for a long time and who probably have better skill sets, are missing out.  I don't know if that's still the case?

I’ve got nothing else to say on the matter hardtack. 
 

I’m standing by my original comments. 
 

Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 

  On 08/02/2020 at 08:41, McQueen said:

I don’t have a problem with what I said at all. 
 

I was happy the girls won. 
 

Seriously. 

After watching 2 quarters I have to agree with you Steve. Not for me.

People invest in the women’s game for a few reasons. For some just the presence of a MFC jumper is enough; personally for me I just think it’s important that the competition succeeds for the good of the game. The one thing the batshit boring “world game” has had over us for years is that girls can play too.

Once invested, you see the spectacle in a different light. The standard in my son’s year 4 basketball team is pretty low compared to the NBA, but I’m invested so when the games are tight and tense I stress, barrack and feel all the same things I do during a tight MFC game. I don’t sit there thinking “man the standard is low, I’m bored.”

Of course people who aren’t invested are going to be bored watching it.

If you are watching what is effectively a part-time, amateur competition (AFLW) and expecting to witness the skill-set of a highly professional comp (AFL) then you are going to be very disappointed, and may well think it is “awful” by comparison. 

The same comparisons and comments were prevalent when women’s cricket started. Today however, I’d happily watch the Aussie women play cricket, or the women’s big bash equivalent. 

The growth and skill improvement of women’s cricket came about by investment by the cricket board into better facilities, more junior coaching, and finally better payments for the players. Which came about because of large spectator interest and of course tv payments.

The same will happen with the AFLW - as long as the AFL understands that skill development can only occur if the women get the right levels of coaching, and a proper level of compensation to allow the players to spend the time they need to develop their skills.

  On 09/02/2020 at 02:31, Nasher said:

People invest in the women’s game for a few reasons. For some just the presence of a MFC jumper is enough; personally for me I just think it’s important that the competition succeeds for the good of the game. The one thing the batshit boring “world game” has had over us for years is that girls can play too.

Once invested, you see the spectacle in a different light. The standard in my son’s year 4 basketball team is pretty low compared to the NBA, but I’m invested so when the games are tight and tense I stress, barrack and feel all the same things I do during a tight MFC game. I don’t sit there thinking “man the standard is low, I’m bored.”

Of course people who aren’t invested are going to be bored watching it.

I enjoyed the game as we won.  Ours players suffered from wanting to spend the ball before they had it, hence the fumbling which cost us movement.  That is easily fixed.

 

As the "world' game, women may play it but they don't watch it. AFL is unique in football codes in that around 50% of our crowds women.  This does not happen in soccer, the European soccer clubs have even sent out researchers to learn how to get women to their games.  AFL is accessible by everyone and the women's game will make sure it stays the dominant code in Australia as girls have a pathway.   My daughter 11yrs old, took up footy again last year and wants to be a Professional AFL footy player, unlikely full-time in her lifetime (Maybe?) but lots of her friends are wanting to play AFL now.  Yesterday in commentary how many of the girls have come across from basketball to play footy.  It will only get better at the pipeline of juniors come through.  

  On 09/02/2020 at 00:58, McQueen said:

I’ve got nothing else to say on the matter hardtack. 
 

I’m standing by my original comments. 
 

Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 

Thanks Hardtack, I had gone quiet on the matter while I considered whether I was being overly self-righteous. I never had an issue with McQueen's opinion as such. I just thought the way it was conveyed was disrespectful of women and young girls participating in something they obviously love. McQueen has decided  to stand by that and I still think it was unnecessary. Says a lot about his character.