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Impossible question really.

However,  if both were fit Tomlinson would clearly be in front for reasons of experience and consistency of performance . Most would rate him as a “better player”

Kk has been cruelled by his concussion issues.  One can only hope that he successfully overcomes these in order to show what he is capable of

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Tomlinson is durable and proven. He’s a decent player, quite versatile, but he’s no star and is a role player type.
KK has a higher ceiling but it’s been years since he’s been fit. in his walker years he was a gun and finished high in Gold Coast BnF with the likes of Gary Ablett, Steven May and Tom Lynch.

If both were fully fit I’d wager KK would be the better player, but it’s basically impossible to answer. Tomlinson will play wing for us next year, whereas KK may never play for us again.

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KK would have had a much better career than Tomlinson if he never had the injury concerns.

No offence to Tomlinson, but KK is much better suited to a wing. We got Tomlinson because he is a solid best 22 option who is versatile and doesn't have injuries (Until he got to us and got injured immediately). He has shown he can play the wing position and can do it better than the majority of our list.

Its a funny question really... How good would Trengove been without the foot injury? How good would the Ox have been without the knee reconstructions? Would Luke Molan be considered a bust if he never got injured?

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I'd take Tomlinson.  Durable, a better mark and more versatile. KK might have been anything before his concussion issues and still may be a useful contributor, but I rate Tomlinson.  He'll prove to be a valuable acquisition.

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53 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

However,  if both were fit Tomlinson would clearly be in front for reasons of experience and consistency of performance . Most would rate him as a “better player”

I would rate pre injury (concussion) KK as the much better player 'BBO'...

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Tomlinson.  I see his role as a cut-out tall supporting outlet from the back half and offering contested marking power on the way back being really important to our structure.

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

I would rate pre injury (concussion) KK as the much better player 'BBO'...

Fair enough rjay 

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For the overall structure of the side it has to be Tomilinson, can just picture him rolling back in the defence and taking clunk marks and timely fists.

He will be the ultimate bail out kick when we are shifting the ball out of defence when zone presses are applied.

KK will be handy, if he can get his body right, no doubt.

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1 hour ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

KK is unproven as a winger. Played his best footy for Suns at half back. 

Tomlinson is not really proven as a winger either 'brfe'...he was the bits & pieces man at GWS.

Hopefully being able to make a position his to settle into will give us what we need and help him realise his potential.

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3 hours ago, BAMF said:

KK would have had a much better career than Tomlinson if he never had the injury concerns.

No offence to Tomlinson, but KK is much better suited to a wing. We got Tomlinson because he is a solid best 22 option who is versatile and doesn't have injuries (Until he got to us and got injured immediately). He has shown he can play the wing position and can do it better than the majority of our list.

Its a funny question really... How good would Trengove been without the foot injury? How good would the Ox have been without the knee reconstructions? Would Luke Molan be considered a bust if he never got injured?

If my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle.

KK isn't much suited to a wing. In fact, he plays his best football when at half back.

First game against Geelong this year he played the whole game on the wing for a terrible return of 5 disposals for the game. Next week against Essendon he was just as poor. 

Tomlinson is miles ahead of KK in terms of playing that suitable wing role.

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It's currently a moot point really. Whether positioned on a wing or not Tomlinson is the only one likely to play a consistent part in our 2020 campaign. 

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

Tomlinson is not really proven as a winger either 'brfe'...he was the bits & pieces man at GWS.

Hopefully being able to make a position his to settle into will give us what we need and help him realise his potential.

Started his career that way but he has mainly played the defensive side wing for the recent 2.5 seasons up until the second half of 2019 when he played all over the shop. 

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A better question might be Tomlinson or Baker..

Tomlinson obviously for now, but we should be blooding some experience into Baker this year too. Does he have to add more forward and defensive strings to his bow to get an op on the wing?

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4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

KK isn't much suited to a wing. In fact, he plays his best football when at half back.

First game against Geelong this year he played the whole game on the wing for a terrible return of 5 disposals for the game. Next week against Essendon he was just as poor. 

Tomlinson is miles ahead of KK in terms of playing that suitable wing role.

My post was looking at if KK had never been injured in the first place and what each player's ceilings would be in the role.

His games for us this year are pretty much null and void after how much football he missed. He really shouldn't have been in the team in the first place imo.

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6 hours ago, BAMF said:

My post was looking at if KK had never been injured in the first place and what each player's ceilings would be in the role.

His games for us this year are pretty much null and void after how much football he missed. He really shouldn't have been in the team in the first place imo.

Disregard Bamf's assessment of KK.

A 2 game sample is not relevant snd IMO he is the one that has played overall the best football in his career of the two.

In fact KK would play a traditional wingman's role better then Tommo  and Zi still can't  believe That Tommo has the pace.

Expect him to be at Half Beck at some stage or 3rd talking in the Forward line for versatility.

Upbeat about both if both are fit and well.

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3 minutes ago, 58er said:

Disregard Bamf's assessment of KK.

A 2 game sample is not relevant snd IMO he is the one that has played overall the best football in his career of the two.

In fact KK would play a traditional wingman's role better then Tommo  and Zi still can't  believe That Tommo has the pace.

Expect him to be at Half Beck at some stage or 3rd talking in the Forward line for versatility.

Upbeat about both if both are fit and well.

Sorry BAMF I meant disregard Dazxles KK assessment as you indicated.

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8 hours ago, 58er said:

Sorry BAMF I meant disregard Dazxles KK assessment as you indicated.

I totally get where he is coming from though. If you could wave a magic wand and make them both 100% right now then Tomlinson would be ahead by a long way. KK has simply missed too much footy to over the past few years. He would be so out of touch.. Which is what his two games this year were. I don't rate Tomlinson that highly, but he will play his role and will hopefully be durable.

I was bullish about getting KK. I've done a complete 180 now. I think he is done. I don't think we will ever see him play again and i'm not sure if I want him to. I cringe when I think of him getting hit in the head again. I nearly felt this way about Brayshaw too, so fingers crossed that i'm wrong and that he makes it back.

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KK for me......although he has played most of his footy at half back, he offers greater speed that Tomlinson. I think this will become more important for us this year especially considering how important the wingers have become with the new 666 ruling.

Wing has become one of the hardest positions to play in recent times with the workload required & whilst Tomlinson has an engine, I'm not sure he has the speed to keep up with the likes of Gaff, Kelly, Scully, B Hill, L Hunter, T Phillips, Florent & McCluggage

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Posted (edited)

(Insert Old El Paso - “Why can’t we have both” gif here).

Edited by Ethan Tremblay
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Interesting question.  Who would I prefer on the wing, Kolodjashnij or Tomlinson ?

How good would it be if Harley Bennell somehow returns to his best ?

Neither player in the poll inspires.

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Posted (edited)

The only question raised (and answered back in September) was probably: Frost or Tomlinson on the wing/dropping back into defense? I reckon the FD would have Tomlinson penciled in for 25/26 games this year.

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7 hours ago, Laughing Goat said:

KK for me......although he has played most of his footy at half back, he offers greater speed that Tomlinson. I think this will become more important for us this year especially considering how important the wingers have become with the new 666 ruling.

Wing has become one of the hardest positions to play in recent times with the workload required & whilst Tomlinson has an engine, I'm not sure he has the speed to keep up with the likes of Gaff, Kelly, Scully, B Hill, L Hunter, T Phillips, Florent & McCluggage

He will be hard for them to bring down with ball in hand tho...dont assume he will be all defence.

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