If we are going to use Jackson as our next generation forward I hope we let him bulk up,muscle up ,and build his strength in the back at Casey.

ATM he does look light and flexible and not suited to the roughhouse environment of a target forward.

9 hours ago, dpositive said:

If we are going to use Jackson as our next generation forward I hope we let him bulk up,muscle up ,and build his strength in the back at Casey.

ATM he does look light and flexible and not suited to the roughhouse environment of a target forward.

Yes would normally agree DP but Jacko looks more like an athletic freak ego has skills of a mid snd therefore I believe he will thrive Early in AFL because of this and his very very competitive nature.

My take us very few Casey games as he builds a stellar career while learning in the big time and we are the winners.

Ruck ruck rover CHF FF or flanker even mid as Goody has said. Just let him loose and he will leap onto stardom!!!

13 hours ago, dpositive said:

If we are going to use Jackson as our next generation forward I hope we let him bulk up,muscle up ,and build his strength in the back at Casey.

ATM he does look light and flexible and not suited to the roughhouse environment of a target forward.

Neither does Ben Brown or Joe Daniher. Tom Lynch,  Jeremy Cameron and Lance Franklin were slight but effective even before they grew into their bodies.

Not too many young gorilla KPFs drafted over the last 20 years have been any good, they are at least the exception rather than the rule.  

On 12/25/2019 at 11:11 PM, dpositive said:

If we are going to use Jackson as our next generation forward I hope we let him bulk up,muscle up ,and build his strength in the back at Casey.

ATM he does look light and flexible and not suited to the roughhouse environment of a target forward.

I think he might just be one of those rare players (like Fyfe, Stephenson) who play well early despite their under developed frame. I look at Jackson's basketball highlights on youtube, and peak at his high rebound stats in basketball. The kid plays basketball with aggression and just tears down boards. Looking at his basketball highlights, he is gritty and aggressive. I didn't actually expect him to be as athletic as he was on the football field. I think he plays early and plays well. He has natural aggression. Basically the opposite of Watts in that regard.

Edited December 26, 20195 yr by KingDingAling

A year on, what are our thoughts now, imo pretty spot on jackson, pickett and rivers

10 out of 10 so far imo

9 minutes ago, Paulo said:

A year on, what are our thoughts now, imo pretty spot on jackson, pickett and rivers

10 out of 10 so far imo

Yes. Very happy with what each delivered in season 1. 

I've got to admit, I thought Jackson was as impressive as any first year player of his size that I've seen. 

Praying he can stay healthy, because I think he could be a game changer.

Good selections all of them.

I would be hoping we can get some future picks for next year if we need to trade for a big fish

we need to get j Taylor more picks after this year let him weave his magic

Trac

Oliver

Jackson 

Rivers

Pickett

Brayshaw 

Salem

Fritta

Weid

Sparrow

Add another 8 half decent draft picks to that 10 and you will have a really good young side for years to come

29 minutes ago, Paulo said:

we need to get j Taylor more picks after this year let him weave his magic

Trac

Oliver

Jackson 

Rivers

Pickett

Brayshaw 

Salem

Fritta

Weid

Sparrow

Add another 8 half decent draft picks to that 10 and you will have a really good young side for years to 

Trac Oliver Salem Jackson Weideman and Brayshaw were all top 10 picks. and many top 5. 

still question marks on pickett and even bigger question marks on Sparrows kicking and speed. 

6 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Trac Oliver Salem Jackson Weideman and Brayshaw were all top 10 picks. and many top 5. 

still question marks on pickett and even bigger question marks on Sparrows kicking and 

What is wrong with Sparrows speed

What question marks do u have on pickett, apart from missing goals on the fly

8 hours ago, Paulo said:

A year on, what are our thoughts now, imo pretty spot on jackson, pickett and rivers

10 out of 10 so far imo

Jackson and Rivers look like fantastic picks.

Jury still out on Pickett for mine. He needs to hit the scoreboard to prove his worth as a small forward. Encouraging signs but still needs to show it.

What is Taylor saying about this year's draft? 

8 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Trac Oliver Salem Jackson Weideman and Brayshaw were all top 10 picks. and many top 5. 

still question marks on pickett and even bigger question marks on Sparrows kicking and speed. 

I am a little concerned with Kossie's size for the long term, but he seems to be happy enough to throw it around.

His timing is definitely not quite there yet, just felt like he needed a 3-4 goal game to get some confidence and start rolling.

Pickett will repay his selection in spades. Experience and some mongrel into his game will lift him to the level we need. He's got the guile and the raw talent a player like him needs for his role

3 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Pickett will repay his selection in spades. Experience and some mongrel into his game will lift him to the level we need. He's got the guile and the raw talent a player like him needs for his role

That he doesn't need...has it in spades already.

1 hour ago, pineapple dee said:

Pickett will repay his selection in spades. Experience and some mongrel into his game will lift him to the level we need. He's got the guile and the raw talent a player like him needs for his role

I think Kozzzzzzzy needs more footy IQ. He’s still a boy really but needs development.  
Speed. Yes. 
Mongrel. Yes. 
Getting to the right spot/ Crumbing - needs development 
Composure  - needs development 

the main problem with Pickett is his radar - misses far too many goals.

On 10/12/2020 at 8:28 AM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Jackson and Rivers look like fantastic picks.

Jury still out on Pickett for mine. He needs to hit the scoreboard to prove his worth as a small forward. Encouraging signs but still needs to show it.

Charlie Cameron’s first year at crows, 7 goals, pickett’s first year at MFC 7goals.

On 10/12/2020 at 8:28 AM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Jackson and Rivers look like fantastic picks.

Jury still out on Pickett for mine. He needs to hit the scoreboard to prove his worth as a small forward. Encouraging signs but still needs to show it.

Agreed.

Jackson was better than expected. He looked way off the pace in pre-season, and though he still wasn't great at AFL level, he held up better than expected for an 18 year old tall. I still think he's much better in the ruck than up forward, as he struggles with contested marking situations and doesn't have good leading patterns. He is very mobile though and looked better in the ruck and around the ball. He'll likely develop as a tall forward/2nd ruck for the next 2 years or so, then start taking the number 1 ruck mantle from Gawn once he hits his early 30s IMO.

Pickett was average. I wasn't a huge fan at underage level, and he showed more of the same at AFL level. He struggles to get involved in the game. He doesn't find enough ball. He doesn't lay enough tackles. He lacks composure and rushes shots on goal (7 goals, 13 behinds, 4 OOF is poor conversion). He needs to build fitness so he can get to more contests and crumb. He showed clean hands collecting groundballs and using speed and agility to get out of trouble and setup play. We just don't see it enough, and that was the problem at underage level too. I have doubts he'll ever be anything more than an inconsistent flashy player, when what we need is a consistent small forward.

Rivers was great. I was ecstatic when we drafted him and through the back-end of the season he showed why he'll have a long career. He's the perfect running half back flank replacement for Hibberd as he winds up. Rivers definitely shanked a few kicks, but he also showed good hardness and composure. His drive off half back and willingness to work hard to cover teammates showed he's got the right attitude and mindset too. He'll have a long career and I just hope he stays at the club long term and doesn't return home to WA.

22 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Agreed.

Jackson was better than expected. He looked way off the pace in pre-season, and though he still wasn't great at AFL level, he held up better than expected for an 18 year old tall. I still think he's much better in the ruck than up forward, as he struggles with contested marking situations and doesn't have good leading patterns. He is very mobile though and looked better in the ruck and around the ball. He'll likely develop as a tall forward/2nd ruck for the next 2 years or so, then start taking the number 1 ruck mantle from Gawn once he hits his early 30s IMO.

Pickett was average. I wasn't a huge fan at underage level, and he showed more of the same at AFL level. He struggles to get involved in the game. He doesn't find enough ball. He doesn't lay enough tackles. He lacks composure and rushes shots on goal (7 goals, 13 behinds, 4 OOF is poor conversion). He needs to build fitness so he can get to more contests and crumb. He showed clean hands collecting groundballs and using speed and agility to get out of trouble and setup play. We just don't see it enough, and that was the problem at underage level too. I have doubts he'll ever be anything more than an inconsistent flashy player, when what we need is a consistent small forward.

Rivers was great. I was ecstatic when we drafted him and through the back-end of the season he showed why he'll have a long career. He's the perfect running half back flank replacement for Hibberd as he winds up. Rivers definitely shanked a few kicks, but he also showed good hardness and composure. His drive off half back and willingness to work hard to cover teammates showed he's got the right attitude and mindset too. He'll have a long career and I just hope he stays at the club long term and doesn't return home to WA.

Hi @Lord Travis, thanks for your observations. It sounds as though you regularly watch junior/colt level games? Is that correct?

Whilst I'm permanently an optimistic person on players (I'm still waiting for Matthew Bate to become the next Lance Whitnall)...I wonder if through all your watching of junior games, whether we have drafted players, that have actually come on better than you expected?

Which for me means, from your perspective, can players can develop skills moreso then what their junior output and their first and second season output shows on evidence.

Love the way Jackson keeps upte enthusiasm whenever the ball is near, like an excited puppy. Love Pickett's energy. Love Rivers' composure. Not pretending tbey are instant stars but I have full confidence in their progress. To get a quality 'full career' player at any number in the draft is always good. To get three in one draft is magnificent.

It will be fascinating to watch what Taylor does with the 2020 draft. We already had multiple late selections so would already have been looking at the speculative variety. And that's a big group now, especially local. If we don't have any major players traded in, I'd hazard a guess that we may even look to bundle pick 23 and some of the modest trade gains from our departing players and turn it into an additional mid-first round pick for 2021.  Final picture; many late picks in 2020, fewer but better selections in 2021.

35 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Agreed.

Jackson was better than expected. He looked way off the pace in pre-season, and though he still wasn't great at AFL level, he held up better than expected for an 18 year old tall. I still think he's much better in the ruck than up forward, as he struggles with contested marking situations and doesn't have good leading patterns. He is very mobile though and looked better in the ruck and around the ball. He'll likely develop as a tall forward/2nd ruck for the next 2 years or so, then start taking the number 1 ruck mantle from Gawn once he hits his early 30s IMO.

Pickett was average. I wasn't a huge fan at underage level, and he showed more of the same at AFL level. He struggles to get involved in the game. He doesn't find enough ball. He doesn't lay enough tackles. He lacks composure and rushes shots on goal (7 goals, 13 behinds, 4 OOF is poor conversion). He needs to build fitness so he can get to more contests and crumb. He showed clean hands collecting groundballs and using speed and agility to get out of trouble and setup play. We just don't see it enough, and that was the problem at underage level too. I have doubts he'll ever be anything more than an inconsistent flashy player, when what we need is a consistent small forward.

Rivers was great. I was ecstatic when we drafted him and through the back-end of the season he showed why he'll have a long career. He's the perfect running half back flank replacement for Hibberd as he winds up. Rivers definitely shanked a few kicks, but he also showed good hardness and composure. His drive off half back and willingness to work hard to cover teammates showed he's got the right attitude and mindset too. He'll have a long career and I just hope he stays at the club long term and doesn't return home to WA.

I thought Pickett showed plenty and expect as fitness and confidence grow he’ll become a very handy acquisition 

1 hour ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

Charlie Cameron’s first year at crows, 7 goals, pickett’s first year at MFC 7goals.

Actually Charlie Cameron kicked 9 goals in 7 games (average about 1.3 goals a game)

Kozzie kicked 7 goals in 14 games (average 0.5 goals a game)

I love Kozzie, I love watching him but for him to prove his worth he needs to kick goals. He missed several opportunities throughout the season which are gimme goals for small crumbing forwards. I'm not saying he's a bad player because he is young and has time to settle and prove he belongs. All I'm saying is the jury is out

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Actually Charlie Cameron kicked 9 goals in 7 games (average about 1.3 goals a game)

Kozzie kicked 7 goals in 14 games (average 0.5 goals a game)

I love Kozzie, I love watching him but for him to prove his worth he needs to kick goals. He missed several opportunities throughout the season which are gimme goals for small crumbing forwards. I'm not saying he's a bad player because he is young and has time to settle and prove he belongs. All I'm saying is the jury is out

I thought I was the only one Dr. jury is still for me too. First year and in a normal year he may have played a couple less games and a number of Casey games. Like everyone this year if you weren’t in the senior side you were not playing at all. Most first year players in all teams did not get the normal games of development. 

On 12/26/2019 at 8:14 AM, 58er said:

Yes would normally agree DP but Jacko looks more like an athletic freak ego has skills of a mid snd therefore I believe he will thrive Early in AFL because of this and his very very competitive nature.

My take us very few Casey games as he builds a stellar career while learning in the big time and we are the winners.

Ruck ruck rover CHF FF or flanker even mid as Goody has said. Just let him loose and he will leap onto stardom!!!

And a first season later no reason to alter my opinion on Jacko.
Going nicely pity he had injury at end of season.

Cant wait till next year to see him develop.