All the best to Taylor and all of the draftees tonight. Not going to lie but I have a bad feeling about us in this draft, Jackson at 3 doesn't sit well with me, although I of course hope he turns out to be the next Buddy. And Pickett at 10 seems a waste, surely we have similar talents from our zone in the NT coming through? Weightman seems better from the limited footage I've seen. I just feel we really have to nail this draft, especially if it's a one off before we rise again.

Seems to be better players than these two at the picks we're allocated, but what would I or anyone here know. Most of the top 12 draftees came in and made an immediate impact this year, then you have Jordan Clark at 15, give me class and elite foot skills anyday, unsure if these two provide that and seem very left field. Anyhow as I said, all the best to all of them, I hope I'm wrong and they become club and competition stars. If they're not, wolves will come circling once again.

52 minutes ago, SFebes said:

All the best to Taylor and all of the draftees tonight. Not going to lie but I have a bad feeling about us in this draft, Jackson at 3 doesn't sit well with me, although I of course hope he turns out to be the next Buddy. And Pickett at 10 seems a waste, surely we have similar talents from our zone in the NT coming through? Weightman seems better from the limited footage I've seen. I just feel we really have to nail this draft, especially if it's a one off before we rise again.

Seems to be better players than these two at the picks we're allocated, but what would I or anyone here know. Most of the top 12 draftees came in and made an immediate impact this year, then you have Jordan Clark at 15, give me class and elite foot skills anyday, unsure if these two provide that and seem very left field. Anyhow as I said, all the best to all of them, I hope I'm wrong and they become club and competition stars. If they're not, wolves will come circling once again.

Aren't you a cheery bloke SFebes!

16 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Aren't you a cheery bloke SFebes!

Just call things as I see them DD. Not here to fluff around. I just think the picks are too left field, but will see and hope for the best mate.

I feel for Taylor. For better or for worse, his reputation (among supporters at least) will either be greatly enhanced or shot to pieces depending on how we do out of this draft. 

Our recruiting team seems to have decided that Jackson and Pickett, despite being somewhat unconventional picks, have enough upside to be worth the price. To a large extent, recruiting is still a game of probabilities, however. There's every chance the cards don't fall our way simply through bad luck, and the players we select are deemed failures by the Demonland jury. Hindsight is 20/20 after all.

One thing is for certain - the likes of Kemp, Young, Green et al will be brought up every time they play a good game until they retire, while the other high picks who didn't make the grade will be conveniently ignored.  

Good luck to him!

When a recruiter has picks 3 and 10 he has to pick the best players not any positional best selections that is why players like Moylan and Cook got selected because the recruiter was asked for the best players in a particular position and we ended up Molan who had injuries which crueled his development but there was no excuse for Cook who was just tall and playing against midgets made him look good.

On 11/26/2019 at 1:51 PM, deebug said:

Great we chose Jackson and in two years time he is on a plane back home to WA.

 

18 hours ago, Hobson said:

Parrot

 

18 hours ago, Paulo said:

So will parrot

? are not migratory birds by nature, so flying to WA would be unlikely

Are we there yet?

17 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Out of curiosity, can anyone envisage GC doing a St Kilda and taking Jackson with pick 2 and letting Anderson slip through to 3?

Not me

4 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Only once in 2 years.. 

Actually, unlike a certain club that trains near us and has taken over part of the MCG, MFC are usually forced to play in WA twice most seasons.

8 minutes ago, monoccular said:

are not migratory birds by nature, so flying to WA would be unlikely

Never heard of Orange-Bellied or Swift Parrots? Highly migratory.

(Discussing bird migration tendencies still has more relevance than whether Jackson might or might not get homesick).

How about an African or a European swallow?

9 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

I believe this is Taylor’s first round drafting history at Melbourne -

Salem, Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver, Weideman 

Pretty solid. I am backing him in tonight 

Pick 2, 3, 4, 9 and 9. 

Many recruiters haven't seen close to picks like that. With the picks he has had, it's an okay return.

Geelong and Hawthorn's last picks in single digits were in 2006.

I would be disappointed if we end up with a player equal to or lesser than Salem or Weideman with our pick 10. 

 

Jackson and Pickett - I’m just glad there are no leaks at the club these days.

 

I want to wish Jason Taylor all the best. I genuinely hope Jackson and Pickett become stars for the Demons.

 

I will admit I was disappointed we didn't take Hayden Young at pick 3#, but it doesn't matter now. The raw talent of Jackson couldn't be denied.

 

Some times you need to take a bit if a gamble when it comes to draft picks.

 

However, having said that, if Jackson at pick 3# and Pickett at pick 12# don't turn out to be a success I will expect that Jason Taylor may indeed have his head on the chopping block. Anyway, I will reserve my judgement until 3 or 4 years down the track to see how both draftees develop.

 

Time will tell....

Edited November 27, 20195 yr by Supreme_Demon

3 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

However, having said that, if Jackson at pick 3# and Pickett at pick 12# don't turn out to be a success I will expect that Jason Taylor may indeed have his head on the chopping block.

No doubt you're right - not that it's entirely fair. His job is to assess talent, but it's up to the rest of the coaches to decide which players suit our team. You'd suspect the coaches had a fair bit of influence on the decision to recruit Pickett.

Watching us last year it was clear we needed the following;

• Outside run
• Tall Forward option
• Small Forward

So far we've brought in Tomlinson, Langdon, Jackson, Pickett and potentially Brown and Bennell. 

imagine the coaches had a fair bit of influence on the wish-list

On 11/28/2019 at 8:19 AM, Supreme_Demon said:

 

However, having said that, if Jackson at pick 3# and Pickett at pick 12# don't turn out to be a success I will expect that Jason Taylor may indeed have his head on the chopping block. Anyway, I will reserve my judgement until 3 or 4 years down the track to see how both draftees develop.

 

Time will tell....

You and others like @SFebes can't lose. If Jackson and Pickett are duds you'll tell us so and if they're MFC premiership players you'll be celebrating. Well played.

I am excited about Rivers. I had not considered him available to us with our last pick and after taking him looked at his highlights and read more about him. 

I know highlights are pretty useless, as even I had one or two way back when, but this kid seems to have some real attributes. 

He is a nice size and can go hard at the ball, then is able at least in the highlights, to give off accurately and quickly . He can cover ground with his kicking and has some pace. 

Have a feeling this kid could be ok for us. 

On 11/27/2019 at 3:46 PM, SFebes said:

All the best to Taylor and all of the draftees tonight. Not going to lie but I have a bad feeling about us in this draft, Jackson at 3 doesn't sit well with me, although I of course hope he turns out to be the next Buddy. And Pickett at 10 seems a waste, surely we have similar talents from our zone in the NT coming through? Weightman seems better from the limited footage I've seen. I just feel we really have to nail this draft, especially if it's a one off before we rise again.

Seems to be better players than these two at the picks we're allocated, but what would I or anyone here know. Most of the top 12 draftees came in and made an immediate impact this year, then you have Jordan Clark at 15, give me class and elite foot skills anyday, unsure if these two provide that and seem very left field. Anyhow as I said, all the best to all of them, I hope I'm wrong and they become club and competition stars. If they're not, wolves will come circling once again.

Young (#3)and Weightman/Kemp (#10) seemed the more obvious picks, but I’ll back JT in here.

I reckon he knows what he’s doing.

 Jackson and Pickett have serious upside.

 

On 11/29/2019 at 1:09 PM, Fifty-5 said:

You and others like @SFebes can't lose. If Jackson and Pickett are duds you'll tell us so and if they're MFC premiership players you'll be celebrating. Well played.

This is a simple observation that Taylor will be held accountable for his performance as he absolutely should be, he's a highly paid professional in a sought after job.  But his critics will never really be held accountable.

I am pleased to see that the release of a couple of short highlights packages have moderated the rhetoric post-draft.  One veteran U18 watcher here posted pre-draft that he'd be "disgusted" if we took Jackson and Pickett. I'm not seeing that pointless vehemence now.

53 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

This is a simple observation that Taylor will be held accountable for his performance as he absolutely should be, he's a highly paid professional in a sought after job.  But his critics will never really be held accountable.

I am pleased to see that the release of a couple of short highlights packages have moderated the rhetoric post-draft.  One veteran U18 watcher here posted pre-draft that he'd be "disgusted" if we took Jackson and Pickett. I'm not seeing that pointless vehemence now.

When I peruse this forum with my cheese plater and IPA or vintage Shiraz, I for one value people's experience, as I am so far removed from any sort of football reality, be it juniors or otherwise, that I profess to have zero knowledge. 

I guess I naively, assume people who assert their knowledge on here 'must' know their area of expertise. Because I wouldn't go around posturing for areas I know SFA about.

What I get confused by, is when there is such a discrepancy between said 'veteran U18 watcher' and his/her opinions and then what the MFC recruiting department choose to do, with all their data, direct and indirect relationships over numerous years with whom they draft.

How can the MFC get it so wrong... no really, HOW can they get it so wrong? (spoiler... they aint)

I think one lens to look through is if one of the top teams were getting pick 3 (or wherever) who would they be taking... again the conversation is between 'needs' and 'pure genetic giftedness' (talent)

In all seriousness, all teams pick 'busts' in all rounds of the draft, so to take the [censored] by saying that we are worse than any other team beggars belief. They are all calculated/forensic risks by the club.

The MFC aint wrong with whom they pick. As it is all educated guesses with conjecture about potential. And potential is just that, potential. ...I am sure there is another thread discussing the merits between drafting genetically gifted speciments vs development somewhere here

Edited November 30, 20195 yr by Engorged Onion

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

When I peruse this forum with my cheese plater and IPA or vintage Shiraz, I for one value people's experience, as I am so far removed from any sort of football reality, be it juniors or otherwise, that I profess to have zero knowledge. 

I guess I naively, assume people who assert their knowledge on here 'must' know their area of expertise. Because I wouldn't go around posturing for areas I know SFA about.

What I get confused by, is when there is such a discrepancy between said 'veteran U18 watcher' and his/her opinions and then what the MFC recruiting department choose to do, with all their data, direct and indirect relationships over numerous years with whom they draft.

How can the MFC get it so wrong... no really, HOW can they get it so wrong? (spoiler... they aint)

I think one lens to look through is if one of the top teams were getting pick 3 (or wherever) who would they be taking... again the conversation is between 'needs' and 'pure genetic giftedness' (talent)

In all seriousness, all teams pick 'busts' in all rounds of the draft, so to take the [censored] by saying that we are worse than any other team beggars belief. They are all calculated/forensic risks by the club.

The MFC aint wrong with whom they pick. As it is all educated guesses with conjecture about potential. And potential is just that, potential. ...I am sure there is another thread discussing the merits between drafting genetically gifted speciments vs development somewhere here

I think we should be assured by the 4 out of 12 list managers from other clubs who would have picked Jackson at 3. Sure, 6 would have picked Young, and 2 chose Green. But of the 4 who would have opted for Jackson, a couple absolutely raved about him" we would have taken him in a flash" and they highlighted how well he had developed in such a short time. Unbelievable potential was another comment. He just might be unbelievably good! Young offers a lot immediately but Jackson might ultimately be very special

Taking Jackson over Young is a calculated risk; much of the downside risk has already been mitigated by drafting Rivers.

The legitimacy of the (perceived) risk taken in 'reaching' for Pickett is currently unknowable. 

Give the state of our list, prior to the trade and draft period, I can understand the Football Department's thinking. The addition of these draftees, plus the likes of Langdon, Tomlinson and (hopefully) Bennell, could take us all the way to a flag.

 

Edited November 30, 20195 yr by TRIGON

If Young is a genuine gun he'd improve our side by a bit, but imo it will be as a defender not as a mid.  But we're not a lot worse off by not having him if we have a fit back 6/7 who can string games together. 

If Jackson is a genuine gun forward/ruck he improves our list a lot and becomes irreplaceable.  Not to mention he and Gawn would become the most dominant tall duo in the game. 

At worst Jackson looks like he'll be very good. 

An added bonus is that I don't see a long apprenticeship at Casey for this boy.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

If Young is a genuine gun he'd improve our side by a bit, but imo it will be as a defender not as a mid.  But we're not a lot worse off by not having him if we have a fit back 6/7 who can string games together. 

If Jackson is a genuine gun forward/ruck he improves our list a lot and becomes irreplaceable.  Not to mention he and Gawn would become the most dominant tall duo in the game. 

At worst Jackson looks like he'll be very good. 

An added bonus is that I don't see a long apprenticeship at Casey for this boy.

Agree on all counts.

Jackson could (i stress could) be a generational player. Young is very unlikely to be (but also could).

But either way as you note we could cover young in the draft - and we might well have with rivers - but we were not going to land someone with Jackson's size, skill set and potential.

Not sure how long he might have to wait for a senior gig given he is a skinny bugger,  but by all accounts he has something I know you value very highly pd - want, desire and competiveness - so I'd back him to force his way in.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

If Young is a genuine gun he'd improve our side by a bit, but imo it will be as a defender not as a mid.  But we're not a lot worse off by not having him if we have a fit back 6/7 who can string games together. 

If Jackson is a genuine gun forward/ruck he improves our list a lot and becomes irreplaceable.  Not to mention he and Gawn would become the most dominant tall duo in the game. 

At worst Jackson looks like he'll be very good. 

An added bonus is that I don't see a long apprenticeship at Casey for this boy.

I don’t understand why people think Jackson is such a risk. He looks a bit like Stefan Martin as a player. If that’s his downside, we will still get decent value out of #3. His upside is Grundy, who is a top 10 player in the game.