Jump to content

Darren Burgess on SEN (7/11/19)

Demonland
Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

 

He sounds like a super knowledgable but personable guy. He was really positive about the mind set of the boys. Said they were very focused and determined. Players he hadnt met yet calling him from overseas to ask about preparation. Also said only 2 or 3 would be starting late due to surgery this year as opposed to 16-17 last year. A good listen.

  • Quote
    • Like 13

    Burgess has a wealth of information, in regards of not only the fitness of an AFL player, but also the mental health of the players.

    I think as fans, we may not even think, of the mental health of a player/players; and how that can also affect the out come of a match; and even a whole season.

  • Quote
    • Like 5
     

    97% skill: tick. Train a lot more (with ball in hand): tick. 

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    Sounds positive. Looking forward to a fitter and healthier Melbourne side.

  • Quote
    • Like 2
    • Love 1

    Interested in his thought on the difference in training at Arsenal. Concedes soccer is less physical but their traing loads are higher and centre around pace, agility and speed of the mark. Fascinated that Robbie Graysons would be considered average for agility in premier league. I suspect the greater training for speed and take off may lower the number of hamstring injuries which is still the number 1 injury causing loss of game time.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Found myself not wanting the interview to end ... really interesting fitness perspectives about mfc last year and also afl vs epl.

    On reflection:

    * Expectations of most supporters, media and betting agencies for a top 4 or top 6 finish this season were ridiculous given the number of ops to our best players although 17th place surprised all of us

    * Makes you wonder why we carried so many injured players through to the end of the 2018 season. Smarter player management would dictate that we stagger ops strategically throughout the season to ensure that we don't have so many missing at once and hopes for the following season aren't completely lost

    * EPL players train much more often than AFL players even though they play less minutes

    * Mental health is so important these days. Perhaps this is part of the reason why caring coaches are doing well at the moment

    Edited by Demons1858

  • Quote
    • Like 2
     
    7 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

    Found myself not wanting the interview to end ... really interesting fitness perspectives about mfc last year and also afl vs epl.

    On reflection:

    * Expectations of most supporters, media and betting agencies for a top 4 or top 6 finish this season were ridiculous given the number of ops to our best players although 17th place surprised all of us

    * Makes you wonder why we carried so many injured players through to the end of the 2018 season. Smarter player management would dictate that we stagger ops strategically throughout the season to ensure that we don't have so many missing at once and hopes for the following season aren't completely lost

    * EPL players train much more often than AFL players even though they play less minutes

    * Mental health is so important these days. Perhaps this is part of the reason why caring coaches are doing well at the moment

    I think the possibility and push to play our first final in a loooong while would adequately explain this.

    We rolled the dice and lost, twice...  once in Perth and then throughout 2019. Good lessons for a maturing group. 

  • Quote
    • Like 6
    • Love 1
    19 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

    I think the possibility and push to play our first final in a loooong while would adequately explain this.

    We rolled the dice and lost, twice...  once in Perth and then throughout 2019. Good lessons for a maturing group. 

    True to some degree that they were pushing for finals but we clearly risked too much and mismanaged things. We absolutely got ahead of themselves. It will also cost us big bucks in 2020 memberships as failed season hit finances harder in subsequent years. Going forward, where possible players should be operated on earlier in the season so they can be back in time fit for finals footy and the following season

    Edited by Demons1858

  • Quote

    3 hours ago, deebug said:

    Burgess has a wealth of information, in regards of not only the fitness of an AFL player, but also the mental health of the players.

    I think as fans, we may not even think, of the mental health of a player/players; and how that can also affect the out come of a match; and even a whole season.

    Just listened to the Burgess interview through SEN over here in America and I am sooo impressed in his lateral thinking and overall presence.

  • Quote
    • Like 4

    Together with Dr Peter Brukner (world-renowned Australian sports medicine clinician and researcher)  What an awesome world leading Medical & sports science combo!

    Edited by Lord Ivanhoe

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    • Love 1

    We are in good hands. Up to the players now. Big Preseason coming.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    53 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

    True to some degree that they were pushing for finals but we clearly risked too much and mismanaged things. We absolutely got ahead of themselves. It will also cost us big bucks in 2020 memberships as failed season hit finances harder in subsequent years. Going forward, where possible players should be operated on earlier in the season so they can be back in time fit for finals footy and the following season

    Agree to some extent, in that we poorly managed/planned our 2019 season and paid for it dearly.

    However, hopefully the three finals we played will be an invaluable experience and investment for the coming years, unlike the Bulldogs this year who's finals campaign lasted 5 minutes.

    We've showed we can handle MCG finals heat in front of 90,000!

    Furthermore, the way some of our ' 2018-2019 rehab' players such as Viney, Petracca, Harmes, T Mac and Jetta all played in August and September 2018 probably couldn't justify an early finish to their seasons for surgery, 

     

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    • Love 1
    1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

    True to some degree that they were pushing for finals but we clearly risked too much and mismanaged things. We absolutely got ahead of themselves. It will also cost us big bucks in 2020 memberships as failed season hit finances harder in subsequent years. Going forward, where possible players should be operated on earlier in the season so they can be back in time fit for finals footy and the following season

    Which players would you have pulled out of 2018 on route to a prelim purely because they needed end of season surgery?

    Harmes, Hunt, Oliver, Petracca all were fine for 2019. Taking out Jetta? Taking out Tommy Mc or Melksham? Really pulling out Viney who finally got a chance at finals? Or Hannan and his match sealing goal. 

    We had too many self inflicted injuries at the start of 2019 and didn’t manage post surgery guys back to form and fitness. But  there’s no way we should’ve rested guys. Imagine if the Dogs did that in 2016?

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
    • Shocked 1

    2 hours ago, PaulRB said:

    I think the possibility and push to play our first final in a loooong while would adequately explain this.

    We rolled the dice and lost, twice...  once in Perth and then throughout 2019. Good lessons for a maturing group. 

    I have wondered the same tging, but i think you are exactly right. They rolled the dice with the possible reward a flag.

    As the doggies and tigers showed you need to take your chance if it presents. 

    The right move I reckon.

  • Quote
    • Like 7
    2 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

    Just listened to the Burgess interview through SEN over here in America and I am sooo impressed in his lateral thinking and overall presence.

    Hi, welcome David, Burgess has been great, i think we are in for a great 2020, sounds like the players are up and about, so good times?

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    I like how he refers to himself as "Fitness Coach" and not "Elite Sports Performance Manager" or whatever it was Misson came up with. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    4 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

    * EPL players train much more often than AFL players even though they play less minutes

    I am quite passionate about cycling and have read some respected international level coaches who believe the volume is key, versus intensity.

    This is to get people doing well in events ranging from 90mins full gas or 5-6 hours. It's also worth noting a guy that trains for the 100m sprint still does an absolutel mountain of hours of running throughtout the year for a 9-10 second event.

    AFL players do very little training compared to many high level international sports, but we have the added variable of body impact/collision which requires management during the week.

    Edited by BW511

  • Quote
    • Like 3

    2 hours ago, BW511 said:

    I am quite passionate about cycling and have read some respected international level coaches who believe the volume is key, versus intensity.

    This is to get people doing well in events ranging from 90mins full gas or 5-6 hours. It's also worth noting a guy that trains for the 100m sprint still does an absolutel mountain of hours of running throughtout the year for a 9-10 second event.

    AFL players do very little training compared to many high level international sports, but we have the added variable of body impact/collision which requires management during the week.

    Armstrong certainly injected a lot of volume ...hyuk hyuk hyuk

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1
    3 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

    Armstrong certainly injected a lot of volume ...hyuk hyuk hyuk

    He did actually. Armstrong is famous for doing more training, and targeted training than most other pros of his era.

  • Quote
    2 hours ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

    I like how he refers to himself as "Fitness Coach" and not "Elite Sports Performance Manager" or whatever it was Misson came up with. 

    He refers to himself as what he is: High Performance Manager. At Arsenal he was Director of High Performance. Misson was Elite Performance Manager, a term that other clubs use as well.

    But heh, why bother with facts when you get in a little revisionism and hindsight bias.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    2 hours ago, BW511 said:

    I am quite passionate about cycling and have read some respected international level coaches who believe the volume is key, versus intensity.

    FWIW, I'm also quite passionate about cycling, and one thing we've seen over the last decade is a move away from volume to intensity-based training (e.g. HIT training). It's what's key to training with power meters, and the recommendations that go with that.

  • Quote

    We haven’t had a fitness bloke with this sort of hype since Misson. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 3
    • Shocked 1

    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • FEATURE: 1925

      A hundred years ago today, on 2 May 1925, Melbourne kicked off the new season with a 47 point victory over St Kilda to take top place on the VFL ladder after the opening round of the new season.  Top place was a relatively unknown position for the team then known as the “Fuchsias.” They had finished last in 1923 and rose by only one place in the following year although the final home and away round heralded a promise of things to come when they surprised the eventual premiers Essendon. That victory set the stage for more improvement and it came rapidly. In this series, I will tell the story of how the 1925 season unfolded for the Melbourne Football Club and how it made the VFL finals for the first time in a decade on the way to the ultimate triumph a year later.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: West Coast

      Saturday’s election night game in Perth between the West Coast Eagles and Melbourne represents 18th vs 15th which makes it a tough decision as to which party to favour. The Eagles have yet to break the ice under their new coach in Andrew McQualter who is the second understudy in a row to confront Demon Coach Simon Goodwin who was also winless until a fortnight ago. On that basis, many punters might be considering to go with the donkey vote but I’ve been assigned with the task of helping readers to come to a considered opinion on this matter of vital importance across the nation. It was almost a year ago that I wrote a preview here of the Demons’ away game against the Eagles (under the name William from Waalitj because it was Indigenous Round).  I issued a warning that it was a danger game, based on my local knowledge that the home team were no longer easybeats and that they possessed a wunderkind generational player in Harley Reid who was capable of producing stellar performances playing among men a decade and more older than he.  At the time, the Eagles already had two wins off the back of a couple of the young man’s masterclasses and they had recently given the Bombers a scare straight after their Anzac Day blockbuster draw against the then reigning premiers.

      • 1 reply
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • NON-MFC: Round 08

      Round 08 of the 2025 AFL Season kicks off on Thursday with a must-win game for the Bombers to stay in touch with the top eight, while the struggling Roos seek a morale-boosting upset. Friday sees the Saints desperate for a win as well if they are to stay in finals contention and their opponents the Dockers will be eager to crack in to the Top 8 with a win on the road. Saturday kicks off with a pivotal clash for both sides asthe Bulldogs look to solidify their top-eight spot, while Port seeks to shake their pretender tag. Then the Crows will be looking to steady their topsy turvy season against a resurgent Blues looking to make it 4 wins on the trot. On Election Night a Blockbuster will see the ladder-leading Pies take on the Cats, who are keen to bounce back after a narrow loss. On Sunday the Sydney Derby promises fireworks as the Giants aim to cement their top-eight status, while the Swans fight to keep their season alive. The Hawks, celebrating their centenary, will be looking to easily account for the Tigers who are desperate to halt their slide. The Round concludes on Sunday Night with a top end of the table QClash with significant ladder implications; both Queensland teams are in scintillating form. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons?

        • Like
      • 148 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: West Coast

      The Demons hit the road in Round 8, heading to Perth to face the West Coast Eagles at Optus Stadium. With momentum building, the Dees will be aiming for a third straight victory to keep their season revival on course. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Like
      • 563 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • REPORT: Richmond

      The fans who turned up to the MCG for Melbourne’s Anzac Day Eve clash against Richmond would have been disappointed if they turned up to see a great spectacle. As much as this was a night for the 71,635 in attendance to commemorate heroes of the nation’s past wars, it was also a time for the Melbourne Football Club to consolidate upon its first win after a horrific start to the 2025 season. On this basis, despite the fact that it was an uninspiring and dour struggle for most of its 100 minutes, the night will be one for the fans to remember. They certainly got value out of the pre match activity honouring those who fought for their country. The MCG and the lights of the city as backdrop was made for nights such as these and, in my view, we received a more inspirational ceremony of Anzac culture than others both here and elsewhere around the country. 

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Richmond

      The match up of teams competing in our great Aussie game at its second highest level is a rarity for a work day Thursday morning but the blustery conditions that met the players at a windswept Casey Fields was something far more commonplace.They turned the opening stanza between the Casey Demons and a somewhat depleted Richmond VFL into a mess of fumbling unforced errors, spilt marks and wasted opportunities for both sides but they did set up a significant win for the home team which is exactly what transpired on this Anzac Day round opener. Casey opened up strong against the breeze with the first goal to Aidan Johnson, the Tigers quickly responded and the game degenerated into a defensive slog and the teams were level when the first siren sounded.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All