10 hours ago, Dr.D said:

This thread has shown that other people share my view mate. And you're clearly just reluctant to admit that he isn't a forward.

 

It's showing that other people's self-esteem is high enough that they don't need a the boost from anonymous posters on a fan forum.
You don't think he's a forward.  Great.
Others disagree.  Great.

No one needs to admit to being right or wrong at this very, very early stage of his career.

 

3 hours ago, A F said:

Those that are saying he's not a forward (including the poster who is most definitely not a doctor), watch the Hawthorn game again. If he's not a KPF, he does a pretty bloody good job of lead up marking across half forward and the wing, and almost always brings the ball to ground in the forwardline. That is what we want from an emerging KPF.

In the meantime, his agility around the ground will eventually enable us to play Brown and Weideman as the key talls. It's clear the club has set McDonald for a similar role to Jackson once Brown and Weideman are fit. It could even be as early as this week.

This is what a modern footy side looks like. Agile 195-200cm talls running defenders off their feet and outmarking them in the air or bringing it to ground for smalls to go to work.

Geez, wouldn't it be nice for the MFC to be the groundbreakers for once. 

22 hours ago, Dr.D said:

are people finally willing to concede that I was right on Jackson not being a forward? I love how I got shot down for saying Jackson isn't a forward. He's kicked 1 goal in 5 games. I repeat 1 in 5 games. Is he a good player? yes. Is his role important for Gawn? Yes. Is he going to be a great ruckman? yes. Is he a forward? Clearly not. 

Thanks for proving me right. Yet again. 

PROOF ?

                Luke Jackson                                                                                                                     Joshua Kennedy

September 29, 2001	Date of Birth	August 25, 1987
19yr 6mth	Age	Turned 19 in 2006
198cm	Height	196cm
84kg	Weight	102kg
2019 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2005 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #3	Last Draft Position	Round 1, Pick #4
Melbourne Demons	Last Drafted By	Carlton Blues
Career	Stats for Season	2006
11	Games	9
4.0	Kicks	4.0
6.5	Handballs	1.8
10.5	Disposals	5.8
2.5	Marks	3.6
0.4	Goals	0.6
0.4	Behinds	0.4
1.5	Tackles	1.2
8.0	Hitouts	0.1

 

               Luke Jackson                                                                                                                          Jack Riewoldt

19yr 6mth	Age	Turned 19 in 2007
198cm	Height	193cm
84kg	Weight	92kg
2019 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2006 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #3	Last Draft Position	Round 1, Pick #13
Melbourne Demons	Last Drafted By	Richmond Tigers
2021	Stats for Season	2007
5	Games	8
5.0	Kicks	4.2
7.6	Handballs	2.4
12.6	Disposals	6.6
3.6	Marks	3.1
0.2	Goals	0.9
0.4	Behinds	0.4
1.6	Tackles	1.5
11.8	Hitouts	0.4

 

 

It is a small sample size so you would be crazy to draw conclusions this early but not all 19yo key forwards kick a lot of goals, fewer also play well in the ruck. LJ has huge potential. I have seen no proof that he will not make a forward, particularly when he spends so much time on the ball. 

 

PS:  Dr D  you seem to confuse proof with opinion. You provide no proof and I disagree with your opinion.

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 20213 yr by ManDee
Josh Bruce had not played a game at the same age , Harry McKay had not played a game at the same age, Cale Hooker had not played a game, need I go on?

3 hours ago, Jaded said:

I don't think he can't be a forward, I just think that he would be wasted there as a permanent stay at home forward. 

He is too agile and creative, and his ruckwork is already so good, that with Gawn being 29, I can see Jackson becoming a true ruck rover in the future. 

As Gawn slows down, having Jackson play more minutes as first ruck will help us to extend Gawn's career. Already I put down Gawn's extraordinary form this year to finally having real support in the ruck from Jackson. 

Sure, I just think he should probably play the role he's currently playing. With Brown and Weideman in the team, maybe he plays higher up the ground.

I must say that I was shocked when searching for goal assists stats to find that LJ is listed as just one ??

I guess it may be a matter of definition but I recall him being involved as the last chain in a goal score at least a handful of occasions this year.

Sure may not be a classic forward, but his deep forward pressure and being not outmarked by defenders makes him a valuable forward contributor in my mind.

The, plus his ability to release Max to defend or attack makes him a very valuable player. 

5 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Has anyone pointed out that with 2:45 left in the 3rd quarter Jackson takes a big contested mark in the goal square which the umpire paid....  then for some reason T Mac was allowed to swoop on the ball and steal the goal.

What rule is that?  LJ was robbed of a contested mark and goal.

If anything T macs game was overrated and LJs was underrated.

Yes, Jackson could easily have scored a goal in that instance. But just to get it right, Jackson attempted to mark in the goal square. He did not take the mark. He was paid a free kick, but the umpire then ruled advantage and Tommy kicked the goal.

30 minutes ago, Fanatique Demon said:

Yes, Jackson could easily have scored a goal in that instance. But just to get it right, Jackson attempted to mark in the goal square. He did not take the mark. He was paid a free kick, but the umpire then ruled advantage and Tommy kicked the goal.

 

 Ok so he blew the whistle for a free.  The ump could have easily given that a mark it was a clear grab.  Free kick must get priority.

Edited April 20, 20213 yr by Pickett2Jackson

From the moment I saw jackson playing for wa under 18 national champs I new he was going to be a gun, absolutely stood out like a becon. He would go up in the ruck win the tap and then rove his own ruckwork, he just has such great athleticism and competitiveness with a touch of flair, poise and mongrel.

Early call i know, but imo he could deadset become the best ruckman and the best full forward in the game. 

Jackson,  kossie and rivers will go down as a absolute master draft for the dees and Jason taylor

 

 

Edited April 20, 20213 yr by Paulo

8 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Free kick must get priority.

Yes it does, and always has. Plus, there is no play-on advantage from a mark. Only from a free kick. As soon as you notice the umpire has blown the whistle, but has allowed the advantage, you know for certain the whistle was for a free kick. 

On 11/21/2020 at 11:15 AM, Pollyanna said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Had a spare hour - some interesting reading ...

I couldn't believe the number of our fans who wanted a hbflanker in H Young for our first pick instead of Jackson 

The liberty that Jackson has allowed for Gawn is one of the reasons I'm not too anxious about the Riewoldt/Lynch double this weekend. Even more so when presumably we will have some more tall target strength up forward when one of Brown or Weid come in. Gawn will be less needed to fill holes and more able to choose where he is most useful, and may even have the luxury of not running up both ends of the ground so much.

Nankervis is a respectable ruckman but he's got no chance of covering the ground against Gawn alone, nevermind with Jackson running around out there as well. With Richmond smart enough (and Nank humble enough) to be able to work from sharking Gawn's taps, Jackson's time actually as a ruckman could be significant.

I also feel like Jackson might be given slightly fewer total minutes on the ground.  Get the most of his agility and energy by keeping him fresher and also it is just a good idea to not overcook young players.

Poor Nankervis. A day spent lined up against either the fittest ruckman in the game or a agile, intuitive follow-through kid fresh from the bench.

 

 

23 hours ago, Jaded said:

I don't think he can't be a forward, I just think that he would be wasted there as a permanent stay at home forward. 

He is too agile and creative, and his ruckwork is already so good, that with Gawn being 29, I can see Jackson becoming a true ruck rover in the future. 

As Gawn slows down, having Jackson play more minutes as first ruck will help us to extend Gawn's career. Already I put down Gawn's extraordinary form this year to finally having real support in the ruck from Jackson. 

I have seen him at training in match simulations playing forward and taking some great contested marks.I believe he has all the attributes to become a really dangerous forward. Again ,he is just 19 ?

Will we see the key being nullification pre/ post our ruck dominance. That means posters above are spot on. However Hardwicke is a master craftsman on fending, obstructing, tripping and blocking, initially from ball bounce to exit possession of centre. Shut down footy, enter Dusty.

I think a couple of players that you could do comparisons to, are Bontempelli and Adam Goodes. Both are tall, athletic utilities who can play ruck, forward or midfield. Both are/were superstars. Goodes became more a forward towards the end of his career but was used in a variety of positions as the team needed. Bont is similar, not as much a ruck but has taken many ruck taps in the forward line. Bontempelli is only developing now into a very dangerous forward.

Both players are premiership players.

I think Jackson has the same scope as these two players and definitely the potential to become a superstar and play wherever the team needs.   

I love how Jackson is developing - it will be interesting when we have our 1st choice key forwards in the team how they use him - and whether Gawn will still rest forward from time to time.

Àgree!

Is it possible to be taken at pick 3 and be the steal of the draft?  HOW GOOD IS THIS KID

2 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Is it possible to be taken at pick 3 and be the steal of the draft?  HOW GOOD IS THIS KID

He is going to be a dead set superstar. Starting to clunk them and his follow up is elite.

Each week he’s developing.  Huge huge potential 

Wow! 

Wow, what a player this guy will be. Freakish.

Great game Luke.

And he was still running into space in the last quarter. Love watching him play - so athletic and creative.

Big [censored] dogga!!!