Compensation for Loss of NT Academy Zone

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On 10/21/2019 at 8:26 AM, Dee Watcher said:

How is "Multicultural" defined? i.e Family history goes back 5 generations in Australia including Irish/English/Welsh so does that count?

 

Multicultural participants must either have been born overseas, or has one parent who was born overseas.

Which is stupid because it means if you or one of your parents were born in England than you qualify. I would have thought you also need to have grown up speaking another language. So if you grew up in England (or India.. or Frankston... ) speaking Hindi than you should qualify but if your main language was English than bad luck.

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On 10/21/2019 at 6:12 AM, drdrake said:

Massive difference, Sydney/GWS/Brisbane/Gold Coast have full access to any kid in their zone no matter where they come from.  All other clubs are restricted to Indigenous and kids with one parent born overseas(multi-Cultured), WA in relation to other states have much higher participation of Indigenous kids in AFL football they will always have 1-2 each each from their NGA.

 

Shouldn't the Established Northern clubs loos that advantage now?  Sydney and Brisbane with GWS soon to follow.   Do we have a productive zone anywhere?

[spirit of norm smith 16,651]

Suns get access to Darwin.   Bingo.  Now they get direct 
access to a talent pool where the Riolis and Longs originated.  
 

Why not just give them 4 games each year as a headstart!!

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,780]

This is just typical of the AFL, nothing surprises me anymore.

#JOKE

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,821]

I can't think off the top of my head of another country that has the same geographical sporting schism we have in rugby v footy that then leads to the ridiculously convoluted and ham fisted decisions made to try and alter it. 

[daisycutter 29,914]

2 hours ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

The plot thickens. The Suns get to pick a player from Darwin and the Dees get peanut shells.

Suns' likely Darwin pick set to bring pace, pressure and tricks

 

so how much academy development work did the suns do on him?

oh, that's right....none, zip, nada

surely the fair way to switchover from dees to suns would be the start of 2020

first they steal our pick 2 off us and then the steal our potential academy pick......for no compo

Edited October 22, 2019 by daisycutter

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16 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

so how much academy development work did the suns do on him?

oh, that's right....none, zip, nada

surely the fair way to switchover from dees to suns would be the start of 2020

first they steal our pick 2 off us and then the steal our potential academy pick......for no compo

We will do nothing. We may as well have dropped the soap.

[Wunders 397]

I'm unsure whether M Rosas was ever coming to us - e.g. this website mentions nothing about it (sounds like hes going to the draft and this rule change now gives him to gold coast - nothing about us): https://www.aflnt.com.au/news/2019/rosas-invited-to-2019-afl-draft-combine

Although his highlights are quite nice - rioli like:

https://www.facebook.com/ntfootball/videos/818462481860553/

[Moonshadow 17,678]

10 minutes ago, Wunders said:

I'm unsure whether M Rosas was ever coming to us - e.g. this website mentions nothing about it (sounds like hes going to the draft and this rule change now gives him to gold coast - nothing about us): https://www.aflnt.com.au/news/2019/rosas-invited-to-2019-afl-draft-combine

Although his highlights are quite nice - rioli like:

https://www.facebook.com/ntfootball/videos/818462481860553/

How dare you show research and balence. You're spoiling the outrage narrative Wunders!

Edited October 22, 2019 by Moonshadow

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11 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

How dare you show research and balence. You're spoiling the outrage narrative Wunders!

My bad - I'll bar myself from posting for a week or two as a fitting punishment haha. I wish he was coming to us though.

[drdrake 3,203]

On 10/22/2019 at 7:49 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Suns get access to Darwin.   Bingo.  Now they get direct 
access to a talent pool where the Riolis and Longs originated.  
 

Why not just give them 4 games each year as a headstart!!

Do the get the Tiwi Islands as well or just Darwin, I think Hawthorn and Essendon have the Tiwi Islands and the AFL won't upset them.

The NGA as it currently stands is a total farce, it is basically returning to the old Zones for the northern state teams and token zones for the rest

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This is !@##(*& me right off 

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On 10/20/2019 at 7:48 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

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Just catching up with this thread and did some checking on the Melbourne linked players named there in.

iirc allocation to a zone depends on where a player lives/plays junior footy.  Martin plays for South Alice and Lowe for Federal (Alice Springs) so it can be assumed they live in our Alice NGA zone so I would think we retain drafting rights. 

Moniz-Wakefield plays for Nightcliff, a suburb of Darwin.  It is unclear if he lives in GCS's Darwin zone or in our Alice zone (probably Darwin as Nightcliff is a long way from Alice) so his family may have moved to Darwin.  So its unclear which club he will be attached to.

To me this highlights one of the problems of the NT NGA zoning.  If a club identifies a player they like it would be quite easy for that club to re-locate the player and some family to their NGA zone, especially if near an NGA zone boundary.  Its ripe for manipulation by the less scrupulous clubs...I believe this happened here in the days of VFL zones!

As it is the AFL has had to rule on some players GWS have claimed as Academy players because of the lack of clarity on how a player is allocated to a zone.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

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40 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Just catching up with this thread and did some checking on the Melbourne linked players named there in.

iirc allocation to a zone depends on where a player lives/plays junior footy.  Martin plays for South Alice and Lowe for Federal (Alice Springs) so it can be assumed they live in our Alice NGA zone so I would think we retain drafting rights. 

Moniz-Wakefield plays for Nightcliff, a suburb of Darwin.  It is unclear if he lives in GCS's Darwin zone or in our Alice zone (probably Darwin as Nightcliff is a long way from Alice) so his family may have moved to Darwin.  So its unclear which club he will be attached to.

To me this highlights one of the problems of the NT NGA zoning.  If a club identifies a player they like it would be quite easy for that club to re-locate the player and some family to their NGA zone, especially if near an NGA zone boundary.  Its ripe for manipulation by the less scrupulous clubs...I believe this happened here in the days of VFL zones!

As it is the AFL has had to rule on some players GWS have claimed as Academy players because of the lack of clarity on how a player is allocated to a zone.

So essentially, it's a bog standard AFL cockup

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37 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

So essentially, it's a bog standard AFL cockup

Only if clubs don't play fair. 

Also, I think it is up to each club to set up programs and resources in their zone, identify the talent and develop it.  If we do that well and get a good reputation up there then we can make a strong case for keeping players in our zone if there is ever a dispute. 

Edited October 24, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

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16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Only if clubs don't play fair. 

 

Hello!

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3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Hello!

Time for us to be the poachers then!

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With all the NGA players taken this year, thought I'd do some digging on names mentioned in a previous Melbourne NGA article. Two names stand out as possible draft targets being.

Andy Moniz-Wakefield and Tyrell Martin.

Moniz-Wakefield is believe was under Melbournes Darwin zone which we no longer have so likely GC prospect. Made his NTFL debut this year and awarded their equivalent Rising Star award in his first game.

Martin is allocated through our Central NT zone. Not a lot of information but found this article. Might be playing SANFL next year if I'm not mistaken.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3006861696084360&id=122587924511766

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Funny FF no mention of MFC ever being on the horizon of Darwin?? How quickly they forget.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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8 hours ago, MikeAlphaTango said:

With all the NGA players taken this year, thought I'd do some digging on names mentioned in a previous Melbourne NGA article. Two names stand out as possible draft targets being.

Andy Moniz-Wakefield and Tyrell Martin.

Moniz-Wakefield is believe was under Melbournes Darwin zone which we no longer have so likely GC prospect. Made his NTFL debut this year and awarded their equivalent Rising Star award in his first game.

Martin is allocated through our Central NT zone. Not a lot of information but found this article. Might be playing SANFL next year if I'm not mistaken.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3006861696084360&id=122587924511766

MikeAlpha, does that effectively mean we have first crack at Tyrell Martin next year? I'm guessing yes.

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7 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Funny FF no mention of MFC ever being on the horizon of Darwin?? How quickly they forget.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We rarely come out winners here

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8 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Funny FF no mention of MFC ever being on the horizon of Darwin?? How quickly they forget.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     Chew us up and spit us out.  What is new with the AFL like l said they are SLY!

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1 hour ago, Return to Glory said:

MikeAlpha, does that effectively mean we have first crack at Tyrell Martin next year? I'm guessing yes.

Fairly certain he will be a bottom ager next year and draft eligible at the 2022 draft. 

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3 hours ago, goodoil said:

Fairly certain he will be a bottom ager next year and draft eligible at the 2022 draft. 

I'm pushing it. Is he any good?

[ChaserJ 5,189]

If he’s any good, then we get rolled. NGA rule changes effective from 2021 draft mean any NGAs picked inside top 20 can no longer can be matched by affiliated academy club. Bulldogs we’re spooked that changes might come into effect from ‘20, but lucked out.