Tom Green (Drafted by GWS Giants)

[DeeZee 7,361]

This guy is the real number one in this draft.

[Bonkers 994]

8 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Im not across the numbers, but what draft picks do BWS exactly have?

6, 40(Tomlinson), 59,60,80 & 94.

They're probably looking at getting pick 30 for Patton from Hawthorn.

 

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

Would be a great pick up for player morale, but i worry that he may be too old and past his best.

Should've given the game away after Freddy got Fingered ?

[Superunknown 4,210]

58 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Even if we do, they’ll match

Be interesting to see what they offer us for the pick 

I confess my total ignorance 

what are the permutations here 

so we bid

they match

then what

(I take it he’s in their academy or something ?)

[Beetle 4,600]

Jason McCartney v Josh Mahoney

Edited October 10, 2019 by Beetle

[Adam The God 30,109]

1 hour ago, Hell Bent said:

Should've given the game away after Freddy got Fingered ?

I'd argue before Freddy Got Fingered.

[whatwhat say what 22,642]

30 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

I confess my total ignorance 

what are the permutations here 

so we bid

they match

then what

(I take it he’s in their academy or something ?)

if we nominate him, then yes, they have to match

pick 3 = 2234 points

they need 80% of points in order to 'match' the bid but i was under the assumption that as long as they could accumulate the points with 'extra' picks they had in second and third rounds in order to do so, as i'm sure sydney did when they matched our bid for mills before we took oliver (and thank the football gods they did so!)

however, my learned friends on demonland assure me that it's a case of they have to use points from their next available pick (pick 6 = 1751 points), as well as whatever else is required in order to be at 1787 points, which is what they'd need to match as the equivalent of pick 6's points less a 20% discount as an academy matching system

whole thing is a farce

[Whispering_Jack 29,753]

1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

if we nominate him, then yes, they have to match

pick 3 = 2234 points

they need 80% of points in order to 'match' the bid but i was under the assumption that as long as they could accumulate the points with 'extra' picks they had in second and third rounds in order to do so, as i'm sure sydney did when they matched our bid for mills before we took oliver (and thank the football gods they did so!)

however, my learned friends on demonland assure me that it's a case of they have to use points from their next available pick (pick 6 = 1751 points), as well as whatever else is required in order to be at 1787 points, which is what they'd need to match as the equivalent of pick 6's points less a 20% discount as an academy matching system

whole thing is a farce

True, but it means that GWS are likely to deal with us for the pick at some stage, probably late in the trade period when it’s clear as to aces they’re holding to do a swap of picks/players.

[whatwhat say what 22,642]

6 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

True, but it means that GWS are likely to deal with us for the pick at some stage, probably late in the trade period when it’s clear as to aces they’re holding to do a swap of picks/players.

maybe

if you nominate a player i think it's cos you genuinely WANT him - we certainly would've taken both heeney and mills when we nominated them in consecutive years, but swans were always going to match

green is meant to be a very inside midfielder type, i believe?  we are not really in the market for one of those

neither are adelaide with both crouch bros, sloane as their core midfield trio, plus gibbs as well under a new coach

BUT if we do think he's the third best player in the draft - and there seems to be some love for that school of thought in some quarters - then perhaps we will nominate him if we have pick 3 cos we haven't split it

interesting times!

Edited October 10, 2019 by whatwhatsaywhat

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

2 hours ago, markc said:

its just a threat to push GWS to give us a better value for pick 3 

pick 6 and ???   

 

He looks like a once in a lifetime player, perhaps the best player the universe will ever see, in any sport.

Pick 6 and Jezza Cameron should cover it.

[grazman 7,404]

The issue for GWS  is that they  want two top end (elite) players in the draft and therefore need a pick before anyone bids on Green.  It's why they would need to get us to split pick 3 to guarantee they have that pick before they have to match a bid.  Pick 6 is obviously the starting point but they'd likely need another low end first roundish pick 15-20, unless they have a player we want that they're prepared to trade. If not they need they're going to have to trade out some quality and keep some picks in hand to pay for Green when a bid does come.  

With their academy they're always going to have players coming through in coming years and can't go to far into deficit to match bids.

 

edit: Hawthorn will not give up pick 30 for Patton, he's likely to go for a fourth or fifth rounder so GWS can clear TPP room for Jeremy Cameron.  Even though he's a former first round pick after two knee recos I can't see someone giving up a first rounder for Bonar... Caldwell on the other hand. 

Edited October 10, 2019 by grazman

[Superunknown 4,210]

8 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

if we nominate him, then yes, they have to match

pick 3 = 2234 points

they need 80% of points in order to 'match' the bid but i was under the assumption that as long as they could accumulate the points with 'extra' picks they had in second and third rounds in order to do so, as i'm sure sydney did when they matched our bid for mills before we took oliver (and thank the football gods they did so!)

however, my learned friends on demonland assure me that it's a case of they have to use points from their next available pick (pick 6 = 1751 points), as well as whatever else is required in order to be at 1787 points, which is what they'd need to match as the equivalent of pick 6's points less a 20% discount as an academy matching system

whole thing is a farce

So they match it how ? By giving up an equivalent range of picks to meet the points

so they’d have to surrender pick 6 and something else to nab him? Is that how it works? And they could pay overs? So we’d be boning them. Seems a [censored] move to do that (not to a team we dislike it wouldn’t be)

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

9 hours ago, DeeZee said:

This guy is the real number one in this draft.

This should be ours....

 

[rjay 24,849]

8 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

This should be ours....

 

Got a bit of Stephenson about him...

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

15 minutes ago, rjay said:

Got a bit of Stephenson about him...

Yes rjay but more ground vs air i reckon.... 

Reminds me a little of Tulip.  Having said that, Tulip was a pretty good airialist as well.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Mach5 4,767]

Been big on Stephens for a while now.

I think a solid comparison is Isaac Smith for what you’d expect him to develop into.

[RedLegs23 899]

12 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

 

BIG!

Is that left his non preferred Moon?

[DeeZee 7,361]

All of a sudden pick 3 looks like gold.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,515]

We have the upper hand here. Make GWS pay big!

[Damo 3,340]

Josh Mahony says we are not done yet. GWS must be worried. If they really want Green but just cant justify the points needed if Melbourne pick him, as it would cost them so much, what then do they do?

 I wonder if there is anything they could legitimately offer GCS to NOT pick Anderson with pick 2? Dees get Anderson, Green to GWS. It is the only scenario I can think of, to not pick Green if our coaches are quietly playing hardball.

[Diamond_Jim 12,519]

For anyone interested here are the 2019 rules for drafting academy players. Similar rules apply for Father/Son

Academy Players RuleOn Thursday, 31 October 2019, by 2pm eligible clubs must lodge with the AFL a list of draft-eligible Academy Players it wishes to consider for inclusion on its Primary List or Rookie List. At the National Draft meeting in conjunction with Father-Son bidding nominations, each Club may “bid” for the player.If matched by the Academy Club, the Academy Club will forfeit one or more subsequent selections, to the value of the points required to match the bid. If the Academy Club declines to match the bid, the club with the successful bid uses the selection to secure the player.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Farmer 875]

7 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Been big on Stephens for a while now.

I think a solid comparison is Isaac Smith for what you’d expect him to develop into.

Why go past Stephens if available.?  Genuine pace, lovely disposal, kicks a very good goal.

if he can be got at Number 3 I would be delighted

[Demon Disciple 12,061]

10 minutes ago, Farmer said:

Why go past Stephens if available.?  Genuine pace, lovely disposal, kicks a very good goal.

if he can be got at Number 3 I would be delighted

Who knows he may turn out to be one of the better player's of the draft, but he is not being talked about as a top 5 pick for the upcoming draft (yet).

[Diamond_Jim 12,519]

Okay.. playing the game when do you tell GWS that you will bid on Green.

Mind game wise is it better for them to know and force them to deal or do you leave it unsaid.

Strikes me that it requires a player trade from GWS so no good waiting for the night and trading picks etc.

My recommendation is that we tell them Green is being actively considered...leaves wiggle room but forces GWS' hand.

Caveat.... I have no view as to whether Green is the next best thing after the two top picks but if he clearly is... let's go all out.

[Moonshadow 17,673]

Green looks not dissimilar to Clarry. Bit rough, good size, needs refinement, but good vision and delivery. Probably shows better foot skills