43 minutes ago, Dante said:

Trenners won the B&F in the SANFL this year, we have had some pretty ordinary results picking players from that comp.  

 

Trenners first few years were brilliant. His issue wasn’t talent, it was development and injury. 

We still need to get better at development. Guys like Petracca and Weid have loads of talent, but could be much more than they are if they were developed better.

40 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Trenners first few years were brilliant. His issue wasn’t talent, it was development and injury. 

We still need to get better at development. Guys like Petracca and Weid have loads of talent, but could be much more than they are if they were developed better.

I agree with Trenners, but it says something if he can win the B&F but not be good enough to play in the main team.

I was talking to my son the other day about Tracc and DeGoey and raised the question, how good would Tracc be if he played with Collingwood and how would DeGoey be if he was selected by Melbourne. Which one would be the star?

 

2 hours ago, Dante said:

I agree with Trenners, but it says something if he can win the B&F but not be good enough to play in the main team.

I was talking to my son the other day about Tracc and DeGoey and raised the question, how good would Tracc be if he played with Collingwood and how would DeGoey be if he was selected by Melbourne. Which one would be the star?

 

They’d be the opposite to what they are now. Trac would be a star and DeGoey would’ve showed patches.
 

We’ve got a proven track record of being poor at developing players. That, along with poor onfield leadership, have been our key issues for over a decade. Worst part is they don’t look to be resolved anytime soon either. We can have all the top draft picks in the world, but if we can’t develop then and surround them with leaders then it’s a waste. 

55 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

They’d be the opposite to what they are now. Trac would be a star and DeGoey would’ve showed patches.
 

We’ve got a proven track record of being poor at developing players. That, along with poor onfield leadership, have been our key issues for over a decade. Worst part is they don’t look to be resolved anytime soon either. We can have all the top draft picks in the world, but if we can’t develop then and surround them with leaders then it’s a waste. 

the team around you makes all the difference, deGoohy has team mates that can deliver the ball to him. Trac has to go out and fetch it.

Adelaide or Sydney might also bid for Green, which means GWS would still have to use their pick 6 for him, thus increasing the value of 8

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Adelaide or Sydney might also bid for Green, which means GWS would still have to use their pick 6 for him, thus increasing the value of 8

Sydney will nominate Green, no question about it

I think Adelaide will take Stephens and Freo will take Jackson 

Not sure who Sydney will take possibly Kemp as a big bodied mid to replace Kennedy 

I'd take Young at 3 and Kemp if available at 8.

By bidding for Green we will ensure one Kemp, Ash, Serong or Flanders available at pick 8

7 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Sydney will nominate Green, no question about it

I think Adelaide will take Stephens and Freo will take Jackson 

Not sure who Sydney will take possibly Kemp as a big bodied mid to replace Kennedy 

I'd take Young at 3 and Kemp if available at 8.

By bidding for Green we will ensure one Kemp, Ash, Serong or Flanders available at pick 8

It only makes sense to bid then 'Pennant', no point helping out GWS if it's going to narrow our prospects unless there are any side deals done...

13 minutes ago, rjay said:

It only makes sense to bid then 'Pennant', no point helping out GWS if it's going to narrow our prospects unless there are any side deals done...

Yep, love to come away with Young and Kemp/Stephens 

If we believe he is worth it, we should go hard at him with 3, and see if GWS want to play.  If they do, it costs them and we move on to next best, and if not we get a gun midfielder.  Would not be surprised if this plays out on draft night.

Green will be a Giant next year regardless of when the bid comes. He, Rowell and Anderson are the clear top 3 players in the draft.

4 hours ago, ben russell said:

Green will be a Giant next year regardless of when the bid comes. He, Rowell and Anderson are the clear top 3 players in the draft.

And yet the team who finished second last doesn't get access to any of them.

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

And yet the team who finished second last doesn't get access to any of them.

 

The AFL has the worst management in all of sport, always has.

The draft is a joke . And they still dish out Priority picks  like the incompetent morons they are

Edited November 11, 20195 yr by JakovichScissorKick

6 hours ago, ben russell said:

Green will be a Giant next year regardless of when the bid comes. He, Rowell and Anderson are the clear top 3 players in the draft.

At what stage do the Giants think about winning a flag rather than assembling the best list of future talent. 

Ward, Coniglio, Kelly, Hopper, Taranto, Whitfield, Greene, Z Williams, De Boer plus Caldwell, Hately and others in reserve, it's a ridiculous collection of midfield talent. A lot of those guys are flexible but I'd argue if 3 of the less flexible inside mids in Ward, Hopper, De Boer and Coniglio are in the team then Green won't be for the first 2 years of his career.

Meanwhile Mumford is done and being replaced by Jacobs who was done at the Crows and Heath Shaw remains best 22 as a backline distributor despite losing all pace. With Luke Jackson and Hayden Young sitting right there to fix holes it has to be mighty tempting. 

Especially with the way Richmond play with so much pressure and run it makes assembling a dominant clearance team not all that effective.

I'm concerned Green would be wasted at Melbourne and we don't have nearly the midfield depth of the Giants.

Don’t be our own worst enemy Dees! Definitely bid on Green!
It’s a Win-Win for us. Massive Win for GWS if we don’t! 
 

Taylor said they would take the best available player. And it sounds like he is it!

Agree have to bid on him if he’s a good as everyone is saying. No matter how many inside mids we have if he ended up a Cripps level dominant force you’d happily have him.

So worst case scenario, is this bloke a pick 3? 

A quality mid is never a problem on the list, but is he worth that pick?

If we bid on Green and GWS don't match then this would be a huge coup for us. Green is rated on level with Rowell and Anderson. The comparisons to Cripps is real. 

Drums are beating that it's looking more likely we will bid on Green and GWS really considering whether to match or not.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we bid on Green and GWS don't match then this would be a huge coup for us. Green is rated on level with Rowell and Anderson. The comparisons to Cripps is real. 

Drums are beating that it's looking more likely we will bid on Green and GWS really considering whether to match or not.

happy for us to bid on Green, if GWS want him then they need to paid up, or possibly give us a trade that we cannot resist.

Green is the goods, easy # 3.

1 hour ago, sisso said:

Agree have to bid on him if he’s a good as everyone is saying. No matter how many inside mids we have if he ended up a Cripps level dominant force you’d happily have him.

Agreed. We paid the price for thinking another way ignoring Wines because we had Viney. 

At this point I’d be happy with Green, Young, Jackson  or Roberton at 3. So it’s seems hard to go too far wrong. I’m sure we’ll end up regretting we didn’t get this one or that one but as long as who we do get is a really good player we’ll be ok. 

Id still like to get two picks in the top 20 for 8 and grab Pickett. 

The hills in the northern rivers are shrouded in smoke but still the drums beat and the chillums glow... we should bid green at three because he’s next best... a powerhouse mid... I don’t think gws will match but will take Jackson.. they need to build a team not just collect endless high pick mids..young, Stephens, Serong not the upside... Kemp maybe ... if we get green then we swap 8 in order to get Worrell and Pickett at 14-17 or 15-21.... meanwhile back at the turntable I have Miles Davis and John lee hooker trading licks in a denis hopper soundtrack...

42 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Drums are beating that it's looking more likely we will bid on Green and GWS really considering whether to match or not.

I hope thats some legitimate mail you got there, DD.

4 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

I hope thats some legitimate mail you got there, DD.

I don't have mail, but reading recent writes ups and articles seem to point thay we are having serious consideration for Green at 3. I believe Giants are looking for a needs base with Jackson and Young firmly in their sights.

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we bid on Green and GWS don't match then this would be a huge coup for us. Green is rated on level with Rowell and Anderson. The comparisons to Cripps is real. 

Drums are beating that it's looking more likely we will bid on Green and GWS really considering whether to match or not.

If we wanted Green, as apparently GWS also do,  why wouldn't GWS match?

You would think he is better than any player they will get with 6?

I'm not interested in drafting a bloke who pleasured both a horse and an elephant

Edited November 11, 20195 yr by Demon Disciple