On 11/10/2019 at 01:06, Jaded said:

This. 
Everyone should read this and move on with their misery. 
We wanted Frost gone. Just like we wanted Watts and Hogan gone. Make no mistake, we don’t lose players we want to keep because of money. We can afford to pay. We just choose not to. 
 

I was told at the midpoint of the season we would delist him if no takers.
This is a big win.

  On 11/10/2019 at 01:05, Engorged Onion said:

I think you're the first to use the expression! Congratulations!

Thanks EO ...just calling that deal as i see it.  Others including yourself will no doubt be ecstatic and others on the fence.  That's life!

Will be keen to watch 42 and 50 move with academy picks. If they end up at a similar value then I don’t mind this trade.

I hate the idea of betting on the Hawks having a bad year next year. 

If we just did Frost for 50 and kept 42 it might’ve worked out better. 

Looking at the pick values and expected ladder positions we are getting about pick 50 for Frosty. Personally I would much rather have Frost, but considering that we are pushing him out the door that's really all we could expect. 

  On 11/10/2019 at 00:32, Demonland said:

Hopefully the Hawks finish last to get the maximum value out of the future 2nd round pick.

Bit of frost ball might help our cause 

We are making a big bet on two players (Lever not key position IMO and May) that have spent very little time out on the ground - hope they can play most games next year otherwise I'm not sure our back line stocks are that flash

Perhaps the club rates Petty as a better 2 to 3 year prospect than Frost - OMac well the least said the better 

  On 11/10/2019 at 00:48, TGR said:

You probably said the same with Howe and Dunn.

Amazing that when they play really good footy at the new destination, or assume prime leadership positions (when we are apparently rudderless (Lewis need)), it is that the player changed; not that they necessarily had it in them when they were here.

Your posting style has an eerie similarity to Donald Trump's  tweeting style.

And the similarities don't end there......

Edited October 11, 20195 yr by binman

  On 11/10/2019 at 01:20, Greendale said:

Looking at the pick values and expected ladder positions we are getting about pick 50 for Frosty. Personally I would much rather have Frost, but considering that we are pushing him out the door that's really all we could expect. 

Agree. I feel the Hawks are already laughing.  I think we got done over on this. Btw I really hate hawthorn.  

  On 11/10/2019 at 01:26, binman said:

Your posting style has an eerie similarity to Douala Trump's  tweeting style.

And the similarities don't end there......

basically for Hawks second rounder next year. fair deal.

  On 11/10/2019 at 00:57, Yung Blood said:

Meh. If I had played the best season of my career and hadn't been offered a contract (or decent one) and knew I was leaving I'd probably be pretty [censored] off with the club.

Absolutely. Me too.

Would you broadcast that frustration with complete strangers?

If true a very dumb thing to do on Frost's part. 

Wow. The Club really wanted him out. Would love to know the real reason why. 

The Backline looks very ordinary right now. 

  On 11/10/2019 at 01:08, Mach5 said:

I was told at the midpoint of the season we would delist him if no takers.
This is a big win.

Bloody hell, that surprises me.

 

Hawks have the brain power to know how to use speed to advantage and cover poor disposal skills. Frosty will do well for them, flanked by runners able to receive a short kick or handball and move the ball forward with precision. 

Regrettably, our backline and forward line lack any "connection" so the line breaker was required to fulfil other roles as well. For Frosty, that was asking too much of him, and too little of others. He is no star, but a very useful soldier, now gone.

Meanwhile we have back line list with cloggers to spare, who offer not a lot. One whom particular, who can now  breathe a tremendous sigh of relief.  I wonder who?

It's the Melbourne way

Having met Sam at many functions,  he wanted to stay and was deemed not good enough.

I wish Sam the best and expect him to perform one role, his role,  much better in a more cohesive structure. 

What's done is done, so l will move on, just hoping that over summer new coaching staff can bring in fresh ideas to use the talent we have and build a plan around it.  Not the other way around. 

  On 11/10/2019 at 00:33, Mach5 said:

Great result for culture.
If only you knew.

I don’t know, can you share more the rest of us? Cause with the info I have right now, I’m not happy with this trade. 

Sure Frost lacks smarts and made poor decisions at times but he has elite athleticism and intensity. This trade will be a real failure for our coaching staff if Hawthorn can harness his ability IMO.

Good luck Frosty. 

Looking forward to frosty v TMac. 

Only one winner out of this trade.

Hawthorn continue to excel during the trade & draft periods. Very excited for Sam as I think he will thrive under Clarkson & the well regarded Hawks culture.

Not sure what the MFC list managers & coaches were thinking. Just dumb.....

 

 

 

  On 11/10/2019 at 01:04, Rusty Nails said:

I very much doubt Freo takes a future second rounder valued at roughly 45 to 50 for Langdon.  They might take it as 'part of' the deal.  Get serious guys.  This was a loss whichever way you cut it in terms of what isn't coming back.

At the very least should have got a mid to late 30s pick in this draft and, barring that, Gunston as part of the shitty trade we agreed to.  Top 10 in the B&F and we let him go for nix!

Hawthorn have bent us over on this one.

Bingo.

100% disagree that we have not done well in this deal. it is clear we wanted him out. Just as we wanted Watts out. I was dead against that deal but acknowledged that i didn't have all the information as to what the real reasons were for that decision.

I don't rate frost very highly, certainly nowhere near Watts, though i like him a player and have nothing against him.

Yes he made top 10 in the bluey, but please he only juts made the top 10 and how could he fail not to to given he played very game in season where we finished 17th, were ravaged by injury (particularly down back) and almost every player on the list  played a game.

But in any case I'm guessing  (and only guessing) the reason for wanting him out is related to culture more than ability. Yes i'm partially basing that on isolated recent comments in this thread (that i have no reason to doubt given i trust the posters based on their history) but the club has made it abundantly clear it had no intention of keeping him. He was always 100% Maxy gawn. 

In that context we have done well to get some value out of the deal.

You only have to look at the situation with Jenkins and the crows to see what can happen when it is clear a player in on the outer. It's a bit different because Jenkins has made it clear he wants out and the relationship seems to have completely broken down. But it is analogous in so far as in both circumstances the club want both players out the door.

No one would suggest Frost is better, more valuable player than Jenkins, yet i guarantee we will get more from the respective trades than the crows will. For Pete's sake the crows will have to pay some of his salary to get him out the door. 

 

 

Edited October 11, 20195 yr by binman

I wouldn't say we won the trade. But given we clearly didn't rate Frost, it's a positive outcome because we recieved some value for a surplus player. 

 

Can someone please tell me where I am misreading this situation:

1. We made a preliminary final in 2018 with Frost & McDonald in the key defensive posts, both of whom (according to Demonland experts) are apparently so useless they are not worthy of being on an AFL list.

2. Despite paying roughly $1.5M to Lever & May in 2019, neither played a full game before round 12 and both were either injured or incompetent for most of the remainder of the season. Lever, in addition to his woeful B&F result, played in a grand total of zero wins for the year.

3. Frost played every game for the year, finishing top 10 in the B&F, in a career best season. He was our best defender by the length of the Bathurst straight.

4. We keep May & Lever and their big fat contracts, and resign such luminaries as Josh Wagner, but can't find the money and list space to keep Frost. 

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

 

  On 11/10/2019 at 01:52, Laughing Goat said:

Only one winner out of this trade.

Hawthorn continue to excel during the trade & draft periods. Very excited for Sam as I think he will thrive under Clarkson & the well regarded Hawks culture.

Not sure what the MFC list managers & coaches were thinking. Just dumb.....

 

 

 

FFS what a farcical trade. Pick 50 for a bloke that played EVERY GAME Gee he must of been really Sheeeit to have played EVERY GAME. MFC NO IDEA.

Just watch his replacement Oscar totally towel up all commers 

Sheeit NOT HAPPY! Watch him Really Blossom next year. Clarko will turn him into a terrific player.

Hawks and the other 16 clubs must be lauging their heads of with our list decisions!!

Edited October 11, 20195 yr by picket fence

  On 11/10/2019 at 02:01, poita said:

Can someone please tell me where I am misreading this situation:

1. We made a preliminary final in 2018 with Frost & McDonald in the key defensive posts, both of whom (according to Demonland experts) are apparently so useless they are not worthy of being on an AFL list.

2. Despite paying roughly $1.5M to Lever & May in 2019, neither played a full game before round 12 and both were either injured or incompetent for most of the remainder of the season. Lever, in addition to his woeful B&F result, played in a grand total of zero wins for the year.

3. Frost played every game for the year, finishing top 10 in the B&F, in a career best season. He was our best defender by the length of the Bathurst straight.

4. We keep May & Lever and their big fat contracts, and resign such luminaries as Josh Wagner, but can't find the money and list space to keep Frost. 

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

 

Simply put, in Frost we've lost a player in an area of the ground where we have some coverage - Hore, Petty and yes, McDonald. Even Hunt if you want a runner off half back
We've picked up a player in Langdon who plays in an area of the ground where we've been hopelessly deficient

On balance, that works for me

I like Frosty but I recognise his shortcomings. While he's whole hearted & has some good attributes, it ain't like we've just given up a Glen Jakovich for minimum chips

  On 11/10/2019 at 02:01, poita said:

Can someone please tell me where I am misreading this situation:

1. We made a preliminary final in 2018 with Frost & McDonald in the key defensive posts, both of whom (according to Demonland experts) are apparently so useless they are not worthy of being on an AFL list.

2. Despite paying roughly $1.5M to Lever & May in 2019, neither played a full game before round 12 and both were either injured or incompetent for most of the remainder of the season. Lever, in addition to his woeful B&F result, played in a grand total of zero wins for the year.

3. Frost played every game for the year, finishing top 10 in the B&F, in a career best season. He was our best defender by the length of the Bathurst straight.

4. We keep May & Lever and their big fat contracts, and resign such luminaries as Josh Wagner, but can't find the money and list space to keep Frost. 

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

 

The only thing I can think of Poita is that Frosty is not one of Goody's boys.

 

  On 11/10/2019 at 02:13, Go the Biff said:

Simply put, in Frost we've lost a player in an area of the ground where we have some coverage - Hore, Petty and yes, McDonald. Even Hunt if you want a runner off half back
We've picked up a player in Langdon who plays in an area of the ground where we've been hopelessly deficient

On balance, that works for me

I like Frosty but I recognise his shortcomings. While he's whole hearted & has some good attributes, it ain't like we've just given up a Glen Jakovich for minimum chips

Ok so we landed Langdon 

Edited October 11, 20195 yr by picket fence

  On 11/10/2019 at 02:16, picket fence said:

Unless Im mistaken the Langdon deal is Still in Limbo!

Then you're mistaken