Small forwards - what are our trading and draft options?

[Dee tention 616]

Brent Daniels I wish!

Zac Langdon I think is gettable...

Draft an indigenous small forward. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,272]

Dan Butler is more likely as he has been surpassed by Bolton now. He has good aggression, tackling and goal sense.  Worth a late 4th rounder trade pick around 60+.  

Not sure about Sam Gray but probably about same price.  

Zac Langdon could be a good option.  Worth a conversation. 

From the draft, I’d go with Elijah Taylor.  Could be there at pick 20-21 for us.  He would add some excitement and pace around goals which is badly needed.  

It’s a NO on Cody Weightman .  We already have Spargo as a young miniature schoolboy type. 

 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, Demon3 said:

I think Jeff was legit small forward who had years of 40 goals plus for us, to me that's a genuine crumber / small fwd.

 

but yeah we desperately need a dynamic game changing fwd, will be very interesting to see how much we value it now that Jeff has retired. The ones we have are not dynamic, Bedford is a mile off it, Chandler is a work in progress but needs to have year of VFL where his goal kicking just kicks the door down.

 

No argument Jeffy was a genuine goal crumbing effective forward in his prime D3.

I highlighted the small forward part though as at 180cm i saw him more as a medium small rather than a genuine small like the wiz / Ricky Jackson etc.

[Demon3 2,541]

2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

No argument Jeffy was a genuine goal crumbing effective forward in his prime D3.

I highlighted the small forward part though as at 180cm i saw him more as a medium small rather than a genuine small like the wiz / Ricky Jackson etc.

All good Rusty, i think one thing we are unanimous on is that we need another good small fwd. Lets hope they prioritize it.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Dee tention said:

Brent Daniels I wish!

Zac Langdon I think is gettable...

Draft an indigenous small forward. 

Yes pls DT.   As many indigenous as possible on the outside and as small or medium small forwards.

Tend to have an innate ability, a sixth sense if you will, knowing where the goals / team mates are and finish is often sublime.  X factor, often great overhead and a joy to watch even if you aren't winning a match.

[spirit of norm smith 16,272]

Need Toby Bedford to step up over preseason.  He could be the one.  

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

Are there any other Rioli's out there??

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 8/28/2019 at 12:40 PM, Dee tention said:

Brent Daniels I wish!

Zac Langdon I think is gettable...

Draft an indigenous small forward. 

Why not clear the decks of the dead wood and draft two or three!!??  One an outside mid if there's any out there.

We are bereft of speed, class and X Factor and have way too many NQR ploddy depth players dragging us down every season as soon as a few injuries (or more) strike.

[rjay 24,866]

34 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Need Toby Bedford to step up over preseason.  He could be the one.  

No going to happen 'norm'...

We need to trade in.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

11 minutes ago, rjay said:

No going to happen 'norm'...

We need to trade in.

I agree, rjay.

And if Bedford ends up being someone who contributes to the best 22, he is at least 2-3 years away from doing so.

[Demon Disciple 12,064]

1 hour ago, FlashInThePan said:

Are there any other Rioli's out there??

We could always just get a player to legally change his name

[MikeAlphaTango 150]

Carlton have delisted Jarrod Garlett, Kym Lebois and Jarrod Pickett. None of which have set the world on fire but could be worth a rookie list spot.

[spirit of norm smith 16,272]

2 hours ago, MikeAlphaTango said:

Carlton have delisted Jarrod Garlett, Kym Lebois and Jarrod Pickett. None of which have set the world on fire but could be worth a rookie list spot.

Definitely give these a big miss. Didn’t show anything for the Blues or at prior opportunities Garlett (at Suns) and Pickett (at GWS). 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Anyone know the contract status of Dan Butler? 

A few on here seem keen to get him over to us. He kicked 4 second half goals today for Richmond in their VFL Qualifing final against Essendon. Best part about that was Essendon giving up a 40pt 3 quarter time lead and losing by 2 points.

[CHF 2,719]

On 8/28/2019 at 2:11 AM, godees said:

Butler has speed, that’s why

The definition of speed at the MFC is the ability to screw things up quicker than other teams. 

[olisik 4,060]

 

We better be all over this kid, looking to be early 20s pick. Would be [censored] if we pass on him for another Vanilla mid like Sparrow/Spargo/Jordan ect 

WWT Eagles/South Australia | Small Forward
02/06/2001 | 170cm | 68kg

Arguably the most naturally gifted player in the draft, the nephew of Port Adelaide and North Melbourne premiership player Byron, is small in stature but big on X-factor and his ability to do the impossible. He is clean at ground level, has high-level goal sense, and despite being so lightly built, was able to force his way into the Woodville-West Torrens League side courtesy of a massive six-goal game against North Adelaide in the first round of the SANFL Reserves competition. Adds an extra dimension to the South Australian forward line and will be one that could light up the big stage over the next month.

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2019 by olisik

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Anyone know the contract status of Dan Butler? 

A few on here seem keen to get him over to us. He kicked 4 second half goals today for Richmond in their VFL Qualifing final against Essendon. Best part about that was Essendon giving up a 40pt 3 quarter time lead and losing by 2 points.

I think he would be gettable... but for what price?

He is an upgrade on what we have and he has excellent goal sense.  Isn't getting a huge crack at it, as evidenced by him playing VFL, but I'd be interested to see what the Tigers value him at AND if they would be willing to trade him.

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

25 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I think he would be gettable... but for what price?

He is an upgrade on what we have and he has excellent goal sense.  Isn't getting a huge crack at it, as evidenced by him playing VFL, but I'd be interested to see what the Tigers value him at AND if they would be willing to trade him.

He'll go for a 3rd round or below probably, can't get a game at AFL level. If Hibberd and Melksham were 2nd rounders that values him at 3rd or 4th I'd say. Particularly if it isn't Dodoro doing the valuing

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 8/28/2019 at 2:24 PM, Rusty Nails said:

Yes pls DT.   As many indigenous as possible on the outside and as small or medium small forwards.

Tend to have an innate ability, a sixth sense if you will, knowing where the goals / team mates are and finish is often sublime.  X factor, often great overhead and a joy to watch even if you aren't winning a match.

I have a very good theory on why indigenous players have freakish kicking ability, that I can back with scientific research. I’m waiting for Yze to come back before I approach the club with it. He was kickicking coach at the greatest kicking team ever. Yze come back.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

58 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I think he would be gettable... but for what price?

He is an upgrade on what we have and he has excellent goal sense.  Isn't getting a huge crack at it, as evidenced by him playing VFL, but I'd be interested to see what the Tigers value him at AND if they would be willing to trade him.

That’s the thing Wise, we wouldn’t know if Richmond are willing to let him go. They have fierce competition for the small forward position and it’s working for them at the moment. Sounds like he definitely put his hand up today to get back in and feature in finals. 

A few Richmond fans at work rate him highly and don’t want to lose him. In terms of his value, I wouldn’t have a clue to be honest, others are much better judges than me on here.

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4 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

That’s the thing Wise, we wouldn’t know if Richmond are willing to let him go. They have fierce competition for the small forward position and it’s working for them at the moment. Sounds like he definitely put his hand up today to get back in and feature in finals. 

A few Richmond fans at work rate him highly and don’t want to lose him. In terms of his value, I wouldn’t have a clue to be honest, others are much better judges than me on here.

Kicked 4 goals today in the VFL including 3 in a huge last quarter. We should go hard after him. Their salary cap is very tight and we wouldn’t have to offer a lot to easily exceed what Richmond could offer (plus that he would be almost guaranteed best 22 for us).

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On 8/28/2019 at 2:24 PM, Rusty Nails said:

Yes pls DT.   As many indigenous as possible on the outside and as small or medium small forwards.

Tend to have an innate ability, a sixth sense if you will, knowing where the goals / team mates are and finish is often sublime.  X factor, often great overhead and a joy to watch even if you aren't winning a match.

How about we draft best available rather than race based recruiting.

 

[Boots and all 1,000]

There is a recent article on the AFL website discussing small forward trade options. One bloke from the Lions, Lewis Taylor is 24 yo and OOC, see blurb below. Any thoughts on him as a player?

"They used him more through the wing for the last couple of years, and away more from the half-forward role, which he's really lost, with (Charlie) Cameron coming in, (Dayne) Zorko playing that mix of half-forward and mid, and (Allen) Christensen. His best footy was really good in the contest, being a pressure player and dangerous around goals, getting busy in transition, getting multiple possessions in a chain, getting up the ground pretty high, then being a bit more creative on the way through. He would offer value for money."

[Sorry kids 635]

One of my all time favorite Demons players. An enormous talent, cruelled by injury. exactly what we need now.

 

David Williams (born 26 October 1961) is a former Australian rules footballer who played for Melbourne in the Victorian Football League (VFL).

A forward from Rochester, Williams kicked nine goals against North Melbourne late in the 1986 VFL season at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. He however had his most successful season in 1987 when he kicked 39 goals and he bagged 33 more the following year. The second of those tallies included two of Melbourne's six goals in the 1988 VFL Grand Final, which he played as a half forward flanker. It was his last game for the club and he was traded to Richmond, but a knee injury ended his career.

 

 

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Below are all the specialist small forwards selected in the All Australian Team for the last 10 years (excluding resting mid-fielders).

It would seem that predicting a champion small forward would be the hardest of any specialist position on the ground.

 

Charlie Cameron (Rookie Draft)

Michael Walters (53)

Luke Breust (Rookie Draft)

Robbie Gray (55)

Eddie Betts (Pre-Season)

Toby Greene (11)

Cyril Rioli (12)

Hayden Ballantyne (21) 

Chad Wingard (6)

Stephen Milne (Rookie)

Mark LeCras (37)

Paul Chapman (31)

Steve Johnson (24)