On 07/08/2019 at 06:59, Lord Travis said:

Nothing. He’s not in full training and is still recovering from another surgery. He went back to NSW for a bit too. I doubt he’ll ever pull on red and blue again.

I like what he brings to the team, but if you can’t get on the park then you’re a waste of a list spot.

Could not agree more LT it is just such a shame as he is genuine talent.

Forget what he brings with his superb tackling and grunt - even if it comes with some shoddy kicking and decision making - he's proven capable of playing on the wing when so many others on the list can't and he's been part of a run of terrible injuries at that position.

Vanders - out for the year with the foot
Fritsch - needed to play back and now forward
KK  - missed pretty much all year with groin/concussion/concussion
Stretch - foot
JKH - misses the first 10 weeks with a knee
Even young Nietschke who might've been an option did an ACL

The best thing to see before this year was Fritsch and KK nailing inside 50 kicks on the wings in match simulation and knowing Vanders could provide that big body to rotate on the wing, forward and on ball. None of that's come true.

  On 07/08/2019 at 05:21, picket fence said:

Time to Delist, can't keep hoping he will come good! Big cleanout coming im anticipating! Stretch, ANB, AVB KK

Oscar, Keilty, Tim Smith, maybe one or two others. Id keep Jeffy for one more year!

ANB and KK have 2 more years on their contracts after this year, they wont be delisted. Agreed on Jeffy. Add JKH to the list, he needs to go ASAP. Absolute dead wood dud.

  On 07/08/2019 at 07:01, Moonshadow said:

How hard would it be for the club to upload a 10 sec clip of him running in a straight line in rehab? Would lift the spirits of supporters.

Assuming he's running, that is.... ?

just film it in slow motion a bit like the $6m man would.

In an ideal world where does Vanders fit within our forward/centre mix?

If we're to bounce back next year we need our core players playing to their best level or living up to potential. That means TMac and Weid at one and two up front, or a replacement/reshuffling of one of those (not AVB). Plus Petracca. Still waiting but probably ahead of AVB nonetheless. And Garlett. Likely on the way out but we need to find a replacement genuine small with a similar skill-set (not AVB). Fritsch we all agree is back where he belongs. Melksham: one of our most important and missed play-makers this year.

That makes six.

Then: resting mid/ruck. And the raft of other mediums. Smith, Smith, Hannan (most of us I imagine would see potential in at least one those as greater than AVB). And the Hunt question. We've tended toward a fleet of mediums in recent years, but I think we need to move back to specialists and a 2/2/2 mix. So two keys, two mediums that can play tall/small, and two genuine smalls. See West Coast.

That equals (with some personnel replaceable) Tmac & Weid  - Melksham/Petracca/Fritsch - Garlett & x up front. In the middle - Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw & Harmes - plus an new outsider, wings and running half-backs (not AVB).

I've mentioned plenty of times that I saw huge potential after AVB dominated as a CHF in one preseason game, but where does Aaron fit now? It would have to be at the expense of one of Petracca, Milkshake or Fritter in my mind, and then be ahead of the Smiths and Hannan. Is he good enough?

 

  On 07/08/2019 at 05:36, Moonshadow said:

Time for you to understand how footy lists work picket. Delisting a player with 2 years remaining on their contract would waste a lot of our cap space. Will not happen. He'd need to be traded, and who's take a racehorse with 3 legs?

Perhaps medical retirement.. done often..simply requires AFL approval and the pay out is mainly outside the cap as I understand it.

7 games in 3 years gets you to first base at the very least.

Edited August 7, 20195 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:19, Diamond_Jim said:

medical retirement.. done frequently..simply requires AFL approval and the pay out is mainly outside the cap.

7 games in 3 years gets you to first base at the very least.

Look I reckon AVB is a serious serious talent, KK a very good player. But too many concussion issues

Shheit its a hard one!

BUT if medical issues ensue then we Must look after player first!

Then if it comes down to it Medical Retirement

In KK case sheeit if he were my son I would not want to see him play again!

Hope I'm not being too melodramatic!

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:33, picket fence said:

Look I reckon AVB is a serious serious talent, KK a very good player. But too many concussion issues

Shheit its a hard one!

BUT if medical issues ensue then we Must look after player first!

Then if it comes down to it Medical Retirement

In KK case sheeit if he were my son I would not want to see him play again!

Hope I'm not being too melodramatic!

Fence, if you weren't being melodramatic I suspect most would think your account had been hacked

SHEEEIT

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:33, picket fence said:

Look I reckon AVB is a serious serious talent, KK a very good player. But too many concussion issues

Shheit its a hard one!

BUT if medical issues ensue then we Must look after player first!

Then if it comes down to it Medical Retirement

In KK case sheeit if he were my son I would not want to see him play again!

Hope I'm not being too melodramatic!

Not at all! 

?

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:18, Skuit said:

It would have to be at the expense of one of Petracca, Milkshake or Fritter in my mind, and then be ahead of the Smiths and Hannan. Is he good enough?

You've got rotations off the bench, Melk can play up the ground on a wing, off HB or through the middle, Trac through the middle, Fritsch is our 3rd tall not sure who the other 2 are as yet and I rate AVB ahead of the Smiths and Hannan.

...but history shows it's unlikely he will get back on the park.

How hard is it to just not train him so hard, he's not made of glass right?

Another tragi - comedy that is the unlucky, MFCSS...

1. Warren Dean

2. Jackovich

3. Jurrah 

4. Wonna 

5. Tingay 

6. Clark

7. Scwhatta

8. Charles

Add to the list...

  On 07/08/2019 at 10:38, jumbo returns said:

Another tragi - comedy that is the unlucky, MFCSS...

1. Warren Dean

2. Jackovich

3. Jurrah 

4. Wonna 

5. Tingay 

6. Clark

7. Scwhatta

8. Charles

Add to the list...

Sean Charles was a serious talent, people forget what a freak of nature he was. I've still not seen some modern players do what he could do. He was Jurrah before Jurrah.

When you look at that list, it's easy to see why our last premiership was in 64.

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:19, Diamond_Jim said:

Perhaps medical retirement.. done often..simply requires AFL approval and the pay out is mainly outside the cap as I understand it.

7 games in 3 years gets you to first base at the very least.

Not sure about that, I think you have to fit most of it in the salary cap if you want the list spot. With 2 years left on his contract Vanders might well be redrafted the rookie list even if he does retire in order to spread the payments. If that's the case unless he really is done and happy to call it you might as well keep him on the list and can then put him on the inactive list prior to the season or prior to the mid season draft. 

All in all it's probably better to give him the summer to see if he gets right.

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:59, rjay said:

You've got rotations off the bench, Melk can play up the ground on a wing, off HB or through the middle, Trac through the middle, Fritsch is our 3rd tall not sure who the other 2 are as yet and I rate AVB ahead of the Smiths and Hannan.

...but history shows it's unlikely he will get back on the park.

I rarely criticise the current MFC but if I was to choose one beef it would our drafting of supposedly flexible players - I think a hangover from the necessity of the Roos era. JKH is a prime example. A forward/mid who isn't much chop in either part of the ground. I'm sure he was drafted as a forward who could run through, yet in his entire time with the MFC he's managed a grand total of 12 goals from 36 games. Not cool. Also not cool, draft revisionism, but Ben Brown and Orazio Fantasia were selected after JHK as specialists. They've kicked a combined 375 goals since. I like multi-positional players but banking on Melk, Fritter and CP5 to run through the middle or on the wing is in my opinion a poor strategy (outside or bursts). Especially in respect to finding a place for AVB.

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:33, picket fence said:

Look I reckon AVB is a serious serious talent, KK a very good player. But too many concussion issues

Shheit its a hard one!

BUT if medical issues ensue then we Must look after player first!

Then if it comes down to it Medical Retirement

In KK case sheeit if he were my son I would not want to see him play again!

Hope I'm not being too melodramatic!

Sobering thought.

  On 07/08/2019 at 09:18, Skuit said:

In an ideal world where does Vanders fit within our forward/centre mix?

If we're to bounce back next year we need our core players playing to their best level or living up to potential. That means TMac and Weid at one and two up front, or a replacement/reshuffling of one of those (not AVB). Plus Petracca. Still waiting but probably ahead of AVB nonetheless. And Garlett. Likely on the way out but we need to find a replacement genuine small with a similar skill-set (not AVB). Fritsch we all agree is back where he belongs. Melksham: one of our most important and missed play-makers this year.

That makes six.

Then: resting mid/ruck. And the raft of other mediums. Smith, Smith, Hannan (most of us I imagine would see potential in at least one those as greater than AVB). And the Hunt question. We've tended toward a fleet of mediums in recent years, but I think we need to move back to specialists and a 2/2/2 mix. So two keys, two mediums that can play tall/small, and two genuine smalls. See West Coast.

That equals (with some personnel replaceable) Tmac & Weid  - Melksham/Petracca/Fritsch - Garlett & x up front. In the middle - Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw & Harmes - plus an new outsider, wings and running half-backs (not AVB).

I've mentioned plenty of times that I saw huge potential after AVB dominated as a CHF in one preseason game, but where does Aaron fit now? It would have to be at the expense of one of Petracca, Milkshake or Fritter in my mind, and then be ahead of the Smiths and Hannan. Is he good enough?

 

A fully fit AvB plays where ever the hell he likes, because the guy is a dead set bull.  I'm more than happy to have the problem of who misses out.

Unrelated, but kind of a funny story. At last years kids clinics he was running one of the games stations. Basically poison ball and kids had to aim below the chest. He advised the kids that if they didn’t play by his rules he would send them off to do a lap of the tan. The parents found this very funny and the kids played by his rules!

  On 07/08/2019 at 10:59, Skuit said:

I like multi-positional players but banking on Melk, Fritter and CP5 to run through the middle or on the wing is in my opinion a poor strategy

I don't think Fritter should play anywhere else but as our 3rd tall link up forward, a role that Lynch plays with Adelaide.

CP5 will run through the middle as one of the rotations as he does now & we could use Melk up the ground as he's probably our best field kick into the forward half.

Nothing wrong with that strategy.

Why is everyone so worried about AVB?  I've heard he's only out for 4 - 6 !!

  On 07/08/2019 at 05:21, picket fence said:

Time to Delist, can't keep hoping he will come good! Big cleanout coming im anticipating! Stretch, ANB, AVB KK

Oscar, Keilty, Tim Smith, maybe one or two others. Id keep Jeffy for one more year!

one again, ANB signed for 2 years

  On 07/08/2019 at 10:46, Adzman said:

Sean Charles was a serious talent, people forget what a freak of nature he was. I've still not seen some modern players do what he could do. He was Jurrah before Jurrah.

When you look at that list, it's easy to see why our last premiership was in 64.

Andolute loose unit tho.

  On 07/08/2019 at 13:05, bingers said:

Why is everyone so worried about AVB?  I've heard he's only out for 4 - 6 !!

Weeks, months or years?

We're a better team when he is on the park but he ain't on the park often enough.

Offering him a 3 year deal to ward off the Swans was always going to come with risk that his foot/ankle problems would continue to prevent him being consistently available.  Has to be risk that he will be unable to complete workload required to get to level of fitness required to play AFL.

AFL clubs do consistently re contract chronically injured players who go on to be chronically injured over term of that contract.

 

  On 08/08/2019 at 01:25, Laughing Goat said:

one again, ANB signed for 2 years

Yeah well that "Says it all" trade him out ANYWHERE!

I spose Oscar is on a 5 year deal!!

Edited August 8, 20195 yr by picket fence