WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - ADAM TOMLINSON

[Demonland 71,265]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

16.

And I don't believe this is in anyway an issue for all those asking.

Tomlinson good mates with Dom Tyson and would be well known to a lot of the other demons. Just banter from Tracc. 

Put Tomlinson in number 6 and have him buy coffees for Tracc, he'd be a good leader and team mate for him I think.

Sounds like it was a little more nasty than just banter but I don't think it's an issue going forward.

[Garbo 1,517]

47 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Richmond got end of 2nd comp pick (#39) for Ellis and he is reportedly on $600k pa for 5 years.  So Tomlinson would have to be in the same range to get the same comp pick #40

Tigers got pick after there 2nd which is as high as you can go without been a first round comp, gws get end of 2nd round which is lowest 2nd round comp you can get. Ladder position makes them similar picks in the end but the contacts is suspect would be significantly different, I’m guessing 3 years and high 300 - low 400 for Tomlinson based on that

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Demonland said:

Sounds like it was a little more nasty than just banter but I don't think it's an issue going forward.

The Tomlinson reply is still there and it was "liked" by a few MFC players (including McKenna), so thinking it was just jest.

 

[sisso 2,577]

Welcome Adam, lets hope he covers the ground well at the G and gives us some of that run and carry we desperately need

[Dr. Gonzo 24,131]

On 10/6/2019 at 8:31 AM, Kelpien said:

Not Top 10 in a year where GWS were riddled with injuries and where he only missed 1 game? Oh boy do I have faith in Josh Mahoney and our recruiting team. FMD.

In a year where they made the GF.

The above post is what I'm talking about in the Elliott thread

[4_Kent_Watts 869]

Thanx Adam for choosing our unpredictable club and let's hope we can do for you what you've done in your short AfL career... Play Finals...

[Demonland 71,265]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The Tomlinson reply is still there and it was "liked" by a few MFC players (including McKenna), so thinking it was just jest.

 

Petracca's comment was pretty nasty. Perhaps he wasn't in on the joke and then deleted it later.

[DeeSpencer 25,437]

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Petracca's comment was pretty nasty. Perhaps he wasn't in on the joke and then deleted it later.

I'm not sure it was all that nasty, just more likely something that could become a story or could be used against him by other players. Suddenly I'm regretting bringing this up.

[Demonland 71,265]

This thread is an interesting read from September 2015 for Demonland History Buffs.

 

[Nasher 33,607]

41 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/christian-petracca-deletes-tweets-following-bizarre-conversation-with-giants-player-2506

For a nice touch of irony, locker #6 is vacant ?

[spirit of norm smith 16,250]

5 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

I think people are confounding the need for pace, when you play on the wing, vs outside run from stoppages.

Best wingman this year (not the AFL AA version)... bloody Mitch Robinson...

Someone already posted it early this year.. this article is a fascinating read on how to play wing in 2019, and what the expected requirements are...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mitch-robinson-why-allaustralian-panel-made-a-mockery-of-players-by-not-selecting-genuine-wingmen/news-story/9e0d4e49d1770d54788d0a2174461cef

Some key points from Mitch on how he viewed traditional wingman...

I think some current posters, still hold this view.

Before this year, my perspective on what attributes are required for a winger would be what most of the AFL community probably thinks, that they:

— Hate the contested football

— Are extremely fit

— Probably weigh about 70 to 80kg

— Are a great ball-user and can run the 3km time trial in less than 10 minutes

 

Tomlinson is 194cms.  96 kgs. From seeing him live v Pies and from highlights, his a key position type player.   Not quick.  Good skills.  Good contested mark.  Good kick for goal.  That’s the CHF or CHB type. He can be a versatile pickup who can play backup ruck.  Good get. 

But not as a wingman.  Langdon helps us with outside run and carry.  

[Lucifers Hero 39,504]

1 hour ago, Good Lord George said:

I'm not sure we can trust the Ellis comparison. Ellis's compo was just short of a 1st rounder according to the AFL. But I'd be amazed if it didn't hit that and the AFL were reacting to the media noise about the reigning Premier getting a first rounder for a player they haven't fought to keep.

 

57 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Not necessarily.

The AFL said Richmond fell only a couple of point short of higher compensation, and included in the formula would be the success of the team and given Richmond have won 2 of the last 3 flags, that would be significant. The Giants compo points could be miles apart but within the same 'band' so might not be that close.

Garbo's post below clarifies the difference between Rich and GWS second rd pick vs end of second rnd pick

51 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Tigers got pick after there 2nd which is as high as you can go without been a first round comp, gws get end of 2nd round which is lowest 2nd round comp you can get. Ladder position makes them similar picks in the end but the contacts is suspect would be significantly different, I’m guessing 3 years and high 300 - low 400 for Tomlinson based on that

Thanks Garbo.

Just to clarify the criteria.  The AFL essentially look at Age and Contract $.  They don't look at contract length.

The bands are:

1. 1st round (after natural pick)
2. End of first round
3. 2nd round (after natural pick)
4. End of second round.

We don't know where in the End of 2nd Round (Band 4) Tomlinson came in at.  He could be on the edge of a 2nd Round pick (Band 3).  So we can't say that we overpaid, underpaid or that Tomlinson is on $xxx. 

fwiw this article says his contract is $500 pa  Tomlinson Trade

I don't really care tbh.  I was simply trying to answer SWYL's question but didn't get it quite right.  Tricked by #39 and #40 looking the same for the two grand finalists.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[dazzledavey36 54,214]

Interview with 3aw 

https://www.3aw.com.au/adam-tomlinson-officially-joins-melbourne/

Edited October 7, 2019 by Demonland
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[Dr.D 1,771]

I'm sorry to be a buzz kill but Tomlinson is very average. he is a very poor decision maker and also not quick.  not at all sure what the dees recruiting team saw in him. unless he us going to be used as a key forward then I think this is a poor move. 

I mean, why the hell aren't we throwing everything at Papley? he is literally everything we need. defensive intent and pressure, speed and goal kicking nous. crazy 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I'm sorry to be a buzz kill but Tomlinson is very average]

You ain't killing my buzz.  Very happy to have him on board.

[Bay Riffin 1,471]

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I'm sorry to be a buzz kill but Tomlinson is very average. he is a very poor decision maker and also not quick.  not at all sure what the dees recruiting team saw in him. unless he us going to be used as a key forward then I think this is a poor move. 

I mean, why the hell aren't we throwing everything at Papley? he is literally everything we need. defensive intent and pressure, speed and goal kicking nous. crazy 

You’re assuming we didn’t? 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

He’ll fit right in at Melbourne.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,018]

So basically what we have here is another TMac with better disposal. He runs all day, can take a good mark and hits his targets. Not super fast, but not slow either. If he just roams the wing all day he'll give us pretty good value.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,542]

46 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Not necessarily.

The AFL said Richmond fell only a couple of point short of higher compensation, and included in the formula would be the success of the team and given Richmond have won 2 of the last 3 flags, that would be significant. The Giants compo points could be miles apart but within the same 'band' so might not be that close.

Let's be honest, there is no formula.

It's just the AFL deciding what they want to give based on the side losing the player.

It helped us net a top 3 pick for Frawley so I'm not complaining.... just think if they want to be serious about it the formula should be available to all and transparent. 

[deebug 1,754]

Welcome Adam?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Just now, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

Let's be honest, there is no formula.

It's just the AFL deciding what they want to give based on the side losing the player.

It helped us net a top 3 pick for Frawley so I'm not complaining.... just think if they want to be serious about it the formula should be available to all and transparent. 

I can understand why the don't make it available though as it would be easily manipulated. Players would be getting VERY specific contract offers.

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,542]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I can understand why the don't make it available though as it would be easily manipulated. Players would be getting VERY specific contract offers.

 

That does make sense.

In my mind there should be no compensation.

I think 8 years in the system players should be restricted free agents and then after 10 they should be unrestricted for the remainder of their career. This would increase the movement of players and make it easier for older players to chase a flag if they want or leave successful clubs to chase bigger dollars.

Or one alternative would be a compensation pick is only received if the player leaves a club lower on the ladder.

[jumbo returns 6,737]

Ok ok.....welcome Adam

[Deecisive 1,709]

20 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I'm sorry to be a buzz kill but Tomlinson is very average. he is a very poor decision maker and also not quick.  not at all sure what the dees recruiting team saw in him. unless he us going to be used as a key forward then I think this is a poor move. 

I mean, why the hell aren't we throwing everything at Papley? he is literally everything we need. defensive intent and pressure, speed and goal kicking nous. crazy 

being average in a good side is still a step up for us. we are getting him without giving away a draft pick. He runs (be it every so slowly) and finds space, he marks well and can kick goals. He may not be the quickest but there have been a lot of great players who's agility make up for it, i think he fits that mold. I dont know how much we are paying ANB who is probably much faster, but is a poor kick for goals, not a great mark and seldom finds space except in the form of tail wind chasing coming off his opposition player who has the ball.

I think a good get, that only cost us $'s that we would have to over pay a lesser player.

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

11 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

That does make sense.

In my mind there should be no compensation.

I think 8 years in the system players should be restricted free agents and then after 10 they should be unrestricted for the remainder of their career. This would increase the movement of players and make it easier for older players to chase a flag if they want or leave successful clubs to chase bigger dollars.

Or one alternative would be a compensation pick is only received if the player leaves a club lower on the ladder.

Yeah I like that lower on the ladder idea, makes a lot of sense. At the moment some of the lower clubs are being shifted down the draft order due to free agent compo.