POSTMATCH: Rd 20 vs Richmond

[Brownie 5,485]

5 minutes ago, ding said:

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2019-08-03/rd-20-after-the-siren-simon-goodwin

Geez Goody was on FIRE in the After the siren address. I can feel the passion just dripping from his pores.

Some absolute pearls of wisdom in this video. Do yourself a favor and have a look.

Im confident we will keep "forging ahead" after seeing this.

 

 

 

 

FMD.

We're going to have a break out win any year now

[Lord Nev 13,511]

0 tackles between both co-captains tells how seriously this team is trying to 'get something our of the rest of the year'.

Wasn't our worst game of the season, but there's just so many aspects that we can't defend anymore.

Can't remember ever feeling so flat about the club tbh.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,694]

1 hour ago, bandicoot said:

Goodwin has no bloody idea. How he got us to a prelim finals seems staggering. 

He hasn’t changed his tactics from last year and all the other clubs have worked us out.

No plan B or C and has us stuck in concrete boots. The ‘play on’/hand-pass at all cost game plan is flawed and invariably leads to a turn over. Players have also lost faith in it. 

Hawks won 3 premierships is a row (a feat that might not be repeated this century) possessing the ball by foot. 

Learn something from that football  and adapt it slightly to suit our side. 

Whatever style game you have us playing now, Goodwin, is [censored]...

Did you actually watch the game tonight?

[KLV 1,692]

Oscar wasn’t bad...

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Did you actually watch the game tonight?

Yeh, we all did. 

No doubt you were happy with the effort. Got within 30 points. Lots of positives to take out of it. We'll be right. 

You know, the usual. 

[Cheap Seats 3,303]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Did you actually watch the game tonight?

Don't bother mate.

Just enjoy the melts. 

There is no point talking complicated issues with simple folks

[dpositive 1,600]

1 hour ago, Farmer said:

The players don't give a stuff? Really? You saw it tonight and thought that? I can't believe it. They were outclassed. Close to the weakest team on paper that I can ever remember.  Guys like Baker and Kennedy Harris ( who didn't play well) nevertheless gave it a red hot go. Fritsch played well, Petty showed a lot, even Wagner had his moments. And at half time we trailed by 3 points. Cameron Ling's comments about Richmind in the wet are dead right, we weren't up to it but no-one wasn't trying

Not sure.

not outclassed, just overrun. Too many decisions which were marginal in favour let go but if marginal against paid so confidence eroded and disposals made off balalance and badly. Tackles not sustained as they are not reqarwarded, effort affected by umpires calling play on . Mysterious interpretations which are not aookied consistently and players I Am sure compete at maximum effort but in a confounded state.

They need support and it must come. This year is lost but we have a magnificent opportunity. A young list with potential needing only AFL support. 

 

Lets GO DEES.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,694]

1 hour ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

I’m fairly surprised by the pessimism here. I spose I shouldn’t be. I can be critical of this team as much as the next bloke, but I thought the first half was pretty decent and we had good intent. There at 6 players, at least, playing that won’t be in the side rd 1 next year. We are stretched and our depth isn’t great. It is what it is. I expected to be belted all game. We were in for 2.5 quarters. Some ordinary decision making in the 3rd, namely handball at all costs, and some frees that went their way turned the game in their favour. That’s the best summation I can give. Positive were Gawn (immense) Fritta forward and Melksham, while off the pace, showing some glimmers. OMAc is a farkiiin spaz. That is being nice. He must be traded out. No use 

My thoughts as well mate. It sucks to lose again but I was expecting a belting tonight and the players did well early until the rain came. Goodwin is clearly changing things up too, we played a more possession based game and used the corridor more but this pretty much went out the window when it started pouring. Couldn't get a break from the umps either which cost at least 2 goals. Plus we had so many first string players out including May and TMac. Had we had a key forward target in the first half we may have kicked a couple more goals.

Result sucks but it wasn't like it came out of nowhere. Richmond are likely to win their 2nd flag in 3 years and pretty unlucky not to be on a hat-trick. We're trying to get to the end of a horror season.

But as usual the whingers on here will complain about any and everything they can.

[picket fence 15,694]

2 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

Following the cricket now. ?

Not much better, both Australia and MFC Need new leaders!!

[jumbo returns 6,596]

Wow

Not sure what everyone was expecting?

Premiership contender v 17th - the 2nd stringers tried hard and did ok

JKH was good, Petty can mark, Dunkley made space and Hibbo tried all night

Oliver and Gawn were fantastic and Fritta finally kicked straight

Let's go to the draft, get our forward line back and then reassess

[picket fence 15,694]

2 hours ago, pitmaster said:

Some song and dance, unless you mean a review.

A Business Audit/Review is the only foolproof way that you can track your performance!

And it needs to be an EXTERNAL REVIEW/AUDIT!

BUT it can be expensive! Most Businesses opt for internal reviews because most "CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH"

Will be interesting to see how an MFC AUDIT ...Proceeds!

 

Edited August 3, 2019 by picket fence

[Dr. Gonzo 22,694]

25 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Yeh, we all did. 

No doubt you were happy with the effort. Got within 30 points. Lots of positives to take out of it. We'll be right. 

You know, the usual. 

We were clearly trying to adjust our style but the post I responded to was just having a crack at Goodwin about refusing to change his chaos plan which we haven't really been doing since the bye and particularly not tonight.

So I just had to wonder whether the person actually watched the game or just saw the result and started ranting about "Goody and his chaos game"

Considering the fact we had our forward line missing, May and Jetta out and had resorted to having Oscar, Preuss and JKH back in the side along with Dunkley, Wagner and Baker; considering we were playing the form team in the comp who are probably going to win the flag; considering I expected to lose by 60-80 points; and considering we were attempting to play a different style of footy which was working to an extent before the rain poured down; considering the fact we got absolutely nothing from the umps for half a game if footy - considering all that yeah I was actually surprised we got to within 5 goals. No I'm not happy with the result but I also understand context. I don't just have a tantrum every time I don't get what I want because, you know, I'm an adult.

[picket fence 15,694]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Didn't watch the game.. how was JKH

Slow to start Dazzle but worked his way into the game and had a red hot go when it was his turn to go!

Did some really good things and was creative and I know others have been critical, but on tonight's performance can definitely see a potential place for him , certainly for the rest of 2019, Maybe Beyond! Can see some good signs! Better than Stretch, Spargo et al and some on list that haven't played, so comparisons might be mute!

Edited August 3, 2019 by picket fence

[FireInTheBennelly 4,028]

34 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Not sure.

not outclassed, just overrun. Too many decisions which were marginal in favour let go but if marginal against paid so confidence eroded and disposals made off balalance and badly. Tackles not sustained as they are not reqarwarded, effort affected by umpires calling play on . Mysterious interpretations which are not aookied consistently and players I Am sure compete at maximum effort but in a confounded state.

They need support and it must come. This year is lost but we have a magnificent opportunity. A young list with potential needing only AFL support. 

 

Lets GO DEES.

You my friend, are a [censored] nutcase. I agree entirely.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

Aaaaaaarrrrggghhh!!!!!! (Primal scream). Goodnight and good luck.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

It’s up there with 2003 as one of the hardest seasons to watch.

I’ve just hated it. We have no soul.

 

[Mel Bourne 3,909]

Heya, coming in late on this. 

Did we win?

[P-man 13,285]

2 hours ago, ding said:

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2019-08-03/rd-20-after-the-siren-simon-goodwin

Geez Goody was on FIRE in the After the siren address. I can feel the passion just dripping from his pores.

Some absolute pearls of wisdom in this video. Do yourself a favor and have a look.

Im confident we will keep "forging ahead" after seeing this.

 

 

 

 

FMD.

They are starting to have a Whiteboard Wednesday feel to them. He must rue the day he ever agreed to do it..

I imagine the first order of business in season 2020 will be no more “After the siren” videos.

[DeeSpencer 23,567]

Oscar McDonald can't keep with an opponent
Frost can't stop brain fading
Preuss can't do anything
Lewis can't put his body on the line and compete
Melksham was clearly rusty
Dunkley is far from a natural wingman
Petracca and Baker are only good in the midfield for under a half

All of that and for a half we structured up well, moved the ball in to dangerous spots with clever counter attack getting space in the corridor and whilst they stuffed around with the ball the team 

Why we're so incompetent when the rain came - did we not have someone aware of conditions at half time - is indefensible. We were never going to win it when the rain came but we should've adapted faster and at least kept the game alive at 3/4 time, but whatever.

In the first half we didn't set back and play safely down the line. We took the game on and moved the ball against a superbly organised Tigers defensive team. 

I wish we could play the Tigers every week. We get such a good look at who can and who can't match it when them. Lately that's meant getting embarrassed as it becomes clear we are a mile off them. Maybe I'm delusional but tonight I thought well.... get May and McDonald back, add a couple of outside runners and a small forward and we'd at least be a chance. 

[Fanatique Demon 2,459]

.. get May and McDonald back, add a couple of outside runners and a small forward and we'd at least be a chance.

I hope you're right, DeeSpencer. 

[John Demonic 4,943]

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

My thoughts as well mate. It sucks to lose again but I was expecting a belting tonight and the players did well early until the rain came. Goodwin is clearly changing things up too, we played a more possession based game and used the corridor more but this pretty much went out the window when it started pouring. Couldn't get a break from the umps either which cost at least 2 goals. Plus we had so many first string players out including May and TMac. Had we had a key forward target in the first half we may have kicked a couple more goals.

Result sucks but it wasn't like it came out of nowhere. Richmond are likely to win their 2nd flag in 3 years and pretty unlucky not to be on a hat-trick. We're trying to get to the end of a horror season.

But as usual the whingers on here will complain about any and everything they can.

Why would you expect a belting? Is it psychological padding for the fade-out losses so they're more honourable? We haven't been belted all year. We do however repeat the same performance over and over where we're in the game for a few quarters (doing well) before falling away in the 3rd or last because of turnovers or poor inside 50 conversion. Irrespective of whether it's Richmond or St Kilda, the result is the same. At least our forward line has seen some improvement and converted a little more accurately though these past two weeks.

Tonight was an extremely predictable game that I expected would mirror our earlier match against the Tigers. We'd take it up to them until they wore us down and kicked away. No shame in the performance, but i don't think absence of players, umpires, or the weather had anything to do with losing the game. They would've kicked away, like they did last year.

We still have to make some big off-season changes to our personnel imo. 3 or 4 ready to go players on each line and playing 1 or 2 draftees and then i would guess that wed still probably be 1 more elite midfielder away from contending very deep in the finals, which also might mean another years development could see Oliver fill that need by excelling another level. Have seen some positive signs with the way we've been slowing up the game and switching, so i'm remaining positive too.

Edited August 3, 2019 by John Demonic

[pitmaster 3,140]

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We were clearly trying to adjust our style but the post I responded to was just having a crack at Goodwin about refusing to change his chaos plan which we haven't really been doing since the bye and particularly not tonight.

So I just had to wonder whether the person actually watched the game or just saw the result and started ranting about "Goody and his chaos game"

Considering the fact we had our forward line missing, May and Jetta out and had resorted to having Oscar, Preuss and JKH back in the side along with Dunkley, Wagner and Baker; considering we were playing the form team in the comp who are probably going to win the flag; considering I expected to lose by 60-80 points; and considering we were attempting to play a different style of footy which was working to an extent before the rain poured down; considering the fact we got absolutely nothing from the umps for half a game if footy - considering all that yeah I was actually surprised we got to within 5 goals. No I'm not happy with the result but I also understand context. I don't just have a tantrum every time I don't get what I want because, you know, I'm an adult.

You've nailed it Dr G. It's worth remembering some in the pre-game were forecasting an 80-point drubbing. It's disappointing that people on this site are so slow to pick up on the change of style mid-season.  

[Forest Demon 4,681]

On paper, you would think we would be ok in the wet, but we over possess it and continually bite off more than we can chew. We can’t move the ball in the perfect conditions, not sure how they expect to do it in the wet.

The number of times our play breaks down because a handball is at someone’s feet, or a kick that is A few metres off and bounces rather than hit a teammates chest is incredibly frustrating to watch. It invites pressure and it just builds until we inevitably turn it over.

[Pates 9,541]

Probably the most frustrating thing about this year is that it's almost the same story every week. Getting scored against too easily on poor turnovers.

The most concerning thing is that the poor skills seem to almost be infectious. Salem, Hibberd, Melksham, and Lever, all usually good users of the ball but all of them did poor turnovers that resulted in Richmond forward entries. 

We really need to tidy things up for 2020, work on our skills and work on our two way running. We still get way too caught on the hop and fail to get back into positions quick enough. 

Tigers should've won by more, we were soundly beaten in the second half. 

[Deemania since 56 6,281]

8 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

Although Fritsch was serviceable in defense, I get the feeling he could've had a seriously special year had he been playing in the forward line for the full season. 

He's very much capable of booting 45+ goals over a year. Hopefully his last month is a taste of what's to come in 2020.

Another error of many from Goodwin, exemplified this year for too long. As I have always stressed, Fritsch is a forward and is not a backman. The guy's career has been hampered alongside the performance of the team.