CHANGES: Rd 15 vs Brisbane

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Salem on Cameron?

?

[binman 39,071]

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Salem on Cameron? More damaging by foot than Frost

Wagner for mine. Blanket him. Hibberd too slow. 

Mediums and smalls are really causing us grief down back this year. Walters and Matera were by far their most damaging players, which continue a trend. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,533]

15 minutes ago, binman said:

Wagner for mine. Blanket him. Hibberd too slow. 

Mediums and smalls are really causing us grief down back this year. Walters and Matera were by far their most damaging players, which continue a trend. 

Surely Wagner is slower than Hibberd? Wagner has some useful traits, but I don't think pace is one of them.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,356]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Another example of reading stats only one way.

Despite our terrible bombs inside 50, I saw Weid make the contest and spill an easy Freo mark at least 5 or 6 times. Twice that I remember resulting in goals to us, including one to Lockard (double effort) and the Tmac sealer. Both Goody in his presser and Roos on TV made a point of emphasising his work rate.  

Did you and Range Rover miss this? 

I think Weid is tracking very well and could become the key forward to build a team around. The more games we get into him now, the quicker his development.

Its boring seeing posters still bag him as a means of pushing their 'trade the farm for a kpf' agenda (not you). 

I was there, so not just reading the stats

I'd just like to have seen a couple more stick, like his form of last year's finals

Granted there were bombs on his head, there were also a couple to advantage side that were spilled - one in particular where he had some separation

[Diamond_Jim 11,996]

14 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

I was there, so not just reading the stats

I'd just like to have seen a couple more stick, like his form of last year's finals

Granted there were bombs on his head, there were also a couple to advantage side that were spilled - one in particular where he had some separation

In the first quarter I counted three marks that he missed. At his level I would have expected one or two of them to be taken.

On a happier note the pack marking by Melbourne players in the last minute or so was wonderful to watch.

[dazzledavey36 49,211]

2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Not so sure about that. I’ve predicted my fair share of goings on that came to fruition over the journey. Trading out of Watts in 2017, Hogan last year, both calls I made well in advance of most. Gary Pert all but declared on Saturday we will be going after a key forward this off season. I’ve been the driver of that conversation on here. Just a few examples there for you. 

I have little idea how you see things because you never actually comment on anything. Just snipes and put downs from the shadows. I thought an ex-boxer might be a little more courageous than that. Easy to pot, a lot harder to put up.

Did he actually say we were going after a key forward??

Not sure i actually heard that bit...?

[drysdale demon 4,198]

1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

 Don’t worry I won’t hold your not having won a Brownlow medal against you.

  I do have a Hopalong Cassidy badge though

[dazzledavey36 49,211]

58 minutes ago, binman said:

Wagner for mine. Blanket him. Hibberd too slow. 

Mediums and smalls are really causing us grief down back this year. Walters and Matera were by far their most damaging players, which continue a trend. 

Wagner is also too slow.. 

Struggled to keep up with Andrew Brayshaw when he got the goal.

Cameron would eat him alive.

[Demons11 6,404]

On 6/23/2019 at 9:33 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Agree wholeheartedly. But with Lever to come back in where does that leave Petty?

I am a very big supporter of Petty. He shows real glimpse of his attack in the air and plays a bit like Lever with his intercept marking and spoiling.

Wonder whether he is worth a shot up forward?

Not sure they will play Lever this week and I agree on Petty.  The kid has heaps of upside 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Demons11

[Demons11 6,404]

Lord Nev would be very handy this week.  

I think Frost is a chance to take Cameron 

[Demon17 4,634]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Salem on Cameron? More damaging by foot than Frost

It's got to be someone applying constant physical pressure and touch.

Salem would be a sacrifice too far. 

Setting wagner the task and sacrificing own game might work.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Did he actually say we were going after a key forward??

Not sure i actually heard that bit...?

You’d have to go listen to Crunch Time on Saturday on SEN. Pert was on sometime between 11am and 1pm. He did not blatantly say “we will go out and recruit a key forward” but he alluded strongly to it by saying something like “obviously we’ve had some issues converting our chances. We’re getting it in there often enough so certainly that’s an area we’ll have to look at.” This was in a direct question from Kane Cornes about recruiting priorities heading into 2020. Pert’s emphasis was on the conversion of the amount of ball we’re pumping down there, not in the quality of ball being delivered. Quite possibly he means both but I thought that distinction was telling in his choice of words.

[Dee Zephyr 17,980]

They produced a stat on the radio earlier today about Charlie Cameron spending a lot of his time at full forward this season. He’s been involved in 39 1 on 1s and hasn’t marked the ball once. It’s when the ball hits the ground he does the damage. Frost would match him for pace and agility imo.

[bing181 8,208]

1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

He did not blatantly say “we will go out and recruit a key forward” but he alluded strongly to it by saying something like “obviously we’ve had some issues converting our chances. We’re getting it in there often enough so certainly that’s an area we’ll have to look at.”

Jesus H Christ. Talk about long bow.

(Also, you don't need the "blatantly". He didn't say it, full stop.)

[bing181 8,208]

"Meanwhile Michael Hibberd is expected to be available to return this week, assuming he is able to get through training. Hibberd had surgery after the Queen’s Birthday game to realign a plate that was inserted when he broke his collarbone against Gold Coast in round eight.

Defender Jake Lever will miss another week with bruising suffered to his reconstructed knee.

"Lever is probably another week, he is a lot better this week but taking into consideration what his last 4-6 weeks has looked like as well he probably misses another week," Mahoney said."

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

11 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Jesus H Christ. Talk about long bow.

(Also, you don't need the "blatantly". He didn't say it, full stop.)

Moses, smell the roses. It was as obvious as the ‘garden hose’ on your ‘boat race’ Binga. Blatantly so! Take it to the ‘sherman tank’ we’ll be recruiting a gun ‘Paul Morwood’.

[Cards13 9,117]

1 hour ago, Dee Zephyr said:

They produced a stat on the radio earlier today about Charlie Cameron spending a lot of his time at full forward this season. He’s been involved in 39 1 on 1s and hasn’t marked the ball once. It’s when the ball hits the ground he does the damage. Frost would match him for pace and agility imo.

He won’t but he is no slouch and is the best option for Cameron we have, no one else would get within a bulls roar of matching Cameron for agility and explosive pace. I do enjoy watching him play and if they do match up think it’ll be fun to watch. 

[Cards13 9,117]

I noticed Tmac (and he does this a little bit) was really stretching out the groins and hammies in the last on Saturday, hope he has no issues and can build on his good last half.

[monoccular 16,381]

On 6/22/2019 at 9:07 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Hibberd might be our best and only choice to play on Cameron. He’ll have a field day. In for Wagner. Good luck pig.

Wouldn’t rush Lever.

Hannan’s done nothing since he came back and looks a fair way off it. Actually think we’re better off with Hunt in his role as a deep forward. Corey Wagner back at half forward? Or Dunkley? Stretch or JKH playing wing and use Baker/Fritsch forward more?

FFS Hibberd is just out of his second operation in a few weeks span - wouldn't rush him back either.  The incision alone, having been reopened so soon, would be painful and tender enough, let alone whatever went wrong with the inserted hardware and the bone.

Edited June 24, 2019 by monoccular

[Docs Demons 1,671]

No changes. We need continuity with the side. Lever out by the looks of it and would not rush Hibberd back. Stay as is.

[Wells 11 4,861]

3 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

They produced a stat on the radio earlier today about Charlie Cameron spending a lot of his time at full forward this season. He’s been involved in 39 1 on 1s and hasn’t marked the ball once. It’s when the ball hits the ground he does the damage. Frost would match him for pace and agility imo.

An interesting stat re cameron. If we put frost on him maybe he can, with his height advantage, knock the ball right out of his area and out of that danger zone if he’s isolated there. I remember eons ago steve Smith was played on Leigh Mathews with a similar role.  Smith was thrashing him. That was Up until Mathews king hit him behind play and put him out of the game. But it was working until then! 

[Mel Bourne 3,848]

On 6/23/2019 at 5:23 PM, Bombay Airconditioning said:

How much longer until Melksham is back?

Around six weeks. Possibly longer. Making slow progress unfortunately. He's out of the boot but the foot is very stiff still. Not running yet.

He's very missed in our forward line right now. His kind of clever ball-use is what we need more of.

[monoccular 16,381]

12 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

You’d have to go listen to Crunch Time on Saturday on SEN. Pert was on sometime between 11am and 1pm. He did not blatantly say “we will go out and recruit a key forward” but he alluded strongly to it by saying something like “obviously we’ve had some issues converting our chances. We’re getting it in there often enough so certainly that’s an area we’ll have to look at.” This was in a direct question from Kane Cornes about recruiting priorities heading into 2020. Pert’s emphasis was on the conversion of the amount of ball we’re pumping down there, not in the quality of ball being delivered. Quite possibly he means both but I thought that distinction was telling in his choice of words.

That does not necessarily equate to looking for a tall forward - could equally be looking for a smart Eddie Betts / Charlie Cameron type crumber.

Edited June 24, 2019 by monoccular

[binman 39,071]

56 minutes ago, monoccular said:

That does not necessarily equate to looking for a tall forward - could equally be looking for a smart Eddie Betts / Charlie Cameron type crumber.

Indeed.

But also the real issue has been the kick inside 50 to our forwards. Improve that and we will convert a lot more chances. 

Draft or trade in some quality outside players who can hit a target.

In the meantime put fritter forward. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by binman

[Lord Nev 13,511]

IN: JKH, Lewis

OUT: Hannan, Wagner

I'm a Hannan fan, but he looks to be struggling to impact and 7 touches, 0 tackles is not good enough for a wing/hf role. JKH played that role really well for Casey by the sounds of it:

"Another Melbourne-listed Demon to impact the match was Jay Kennedy-Harris. While almost every player struggled underfoot, the smooth-running Kennedy-Harris dominated along the wing keeping on his feet, racking up possessions and providing the key transition link to the forwards. Finishing with 22 disposals, Kennedy-Harris’ name will be amongst the selection mix come Thursday."

Source

Not too fussed if Lewis for Wagner doesn't happen. Lewis probably deserves it based on form, but Wags' better leg speed could be handy against the Lions.