1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

19 of the past 29 premierships have been won by coaches who previously won premierships as players. 66%.

Satyricon gave 2 examples, I countered with 12. Add David Parkin to the list. 

Bump.

Edited June 4, 20195 yr by Matsuo Basho

21 hours ago, old dee said:

I have no idea what the level of his ability is but it appears to be the old easy out. Much easier to replace one coach than 20 players who are not up to it. Took us the best part of six years to make a significant improvement to the list.

Why is SOS not on the way out at the same time, he is after all the archithect of their list and he has been there some time. 

SOS is a beloved son - as he could be a frequently great player, albeit a little untidy. This anointed status frees SOS from accountability to a large extent; it will be external-to-Carlton observers who call for a revision of his decisions and post-footy playing inputs. I'd reckon he is as safe as houses and yes, the Coach was the easy way out of the dilemma - for the time being. 

8 hours ago, bing181 said:

If anything, you're just proving the opposite of your point - given how many great players there are, that's a tiny list. In reality, very very few great players go on to be great coaches.

There is a big difference tho,  'b181'.   A big difference.

5 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Two opposing forces engaging in combat. Close your eyes and really think DD. The metaphorical link will eventually crystallise and make sense.

You really have no idea do you, deciding whether to pull the trigger when there is another human being in front of you, enemy or not, bears no resemblance to deciding whether to tackle a player or not

Footy is a game, which unfortunately these days is analysed 24/7, nobody dies if your team loses, we have a myriad of media, all chasing the next headline, which encourages tge next paragraph

Some of the trolling displayed on here, not only against other posters, but also players like Omac and Weid disgusts me

Anyone can be a hero hiding behind a keyboard

Carlton sacked a coach, you would think with all the media that Bolton was a child killer, he wasn't, he is a guy that failed at his job and was moved on, happens every day in ' the real world', except of course in politics and unions

On 6/3/2019 at 12:43 PM, old dee said:

We should take them over. They have some good kids, a good trading ground and club facilities.

Just  pander to the Carltonites for five years by using the jumper every now and then.

we will pick up 10% of their supporters and have a great facility in inner Melbourne.

It would be way cheaper than all the hair brain schemes suggested to give us a home.

Oh no Please. Its over thirty years ago but I still have nightmares over the Hawthornmerger/takeover and its resultant bastard Whoreborn.

14 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

You really have no idea do you, deciding whether to pull the trigger when there is another human being in front of you, enemy or not, bears no resemblance to deciding whether to tackle a player or not

Footy is a game, which unfortunately these days is analysed 24/7, nobody dies if your team loses, we have a myriad of media, all chasing the next headline, which encourages tge next paragraph

Some of the trolling displayed on here, not only against other posters, but also players like Omac and Weid disgusts me

Anyone can be a hero hiding behind a keyboard

Carlton sacked a coach, you would think with all the media that Bolton was a child killer, he wasn't, he is a guy that failed at his job and was moved on, happens every day in ' the real world', except of course in politics and unions

Anyone who makes war-like metaphors for a game of footy should be sentenced to 4 years of national service with 1RAR. Maybe then they'd understand the difference. 

8 minutes ago, Mydee said:

Oh no Please. Its over thirty years ago but I still have nightmares over the Hawthornmerger/takeover and its resultant bastard Whoreborn.

Small joke Mydee the Blues aren't going anywhere and we aren't going to Princes Park. 

26 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

You really have no idea do you, deciding whether to pull the trigger when there is another human being in front of you, enemy or not, bears no resemblance to deciding whether to tackle a player or not

Footy is a game, which unfortunately these days is analysed 24/7, nobody dies if your team loses, we have a myriad of media, all chasing the next headline, which encourages tge next paragraph

Some of the trolling displayed on here, not only against other posters, but also players like Omac and Weid disgusts me

Anyone can be a hero hiding behind a keyboard

Carlton sacked a coach, you would think with all the media that Bolton was a child killer, he wasn't, he is a guy that failed at his job and was moved on, happens every day in ' the real world', except of course in politics and unions

The sad part is that there are many others at Carlton from the President down, who have failed at their jobs more than Bolton but either won't stand down or won't be sacked. It's the club that has failed, more than the coach.

53 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Nice deflection and some holier than thou nonsense. Sport as war metaphors have been used by scribes, journos, writers and pundits for as long as ink has been wetting paper. Suggest you get used to it.

As someone who lost mates during deployments, no, i don't have to get used to it. Neither does Saty. Jog on sad little man, you have no idea what you're on about. 

@Matsuo Basho if you want to continue posting here you're going to have to stop baiting people. You've already been warned privately. 

19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

You mean like I metaphor a drink, and she continually laughed at my ideas about footy

Is McArtney, Paul's brother, coz that's the way I pronounce it

As an ex military person, footy has no resemblance to it whatsoever

It sticks in my craw, everytime I see the drivel they produce to advertise the Anzac game

An example of 2 great players who 'climbed the mountains' and 'fought in the trenches', but failed spectacularly as coaches, Voss and Hird

 

injected into the trenches

Edited June 4, 20195 yr by John Demonic

Management is often about finding a scapegoat below yourself in the hierarchy and dumping all the blame on them as you see them out the door and preserve your own job.

Some of the higher ups should go too.

Edited June 5, 20195 yr by Stormy Dee

This thread is a great study in human behaviour. MB made what I thought was a pretty innocuous metaphor, but offended a few who are understandably more sensitive about it due to very real lived experiences. However instead of apologising and backing down, MB gets on the front foot and drives it in as hard as possible, p**ses everyone off and gets his butt kicked by admin. All for what I can see is for no reason other than pure stubbornness and unwillingness to see the world through the eyes of others.

Pretty entertaining stuff, but not if you’re coming in looking for a discussion about Bolton.

Demonland is an interesting cross section of the community. Many here would never communicate with each other in the real world. It is not surprising that from time to time we fail to communicate satisfactorily and more particularly fail to understand another's point of view. I personally am annoyed by things that normally I would walk away from. One of the great things about Demonland is communicating with others with a different point of view. I am sure we have geniuses, idiots, savants, druggies, drunkards and deviates (hello uncle) but we are all Demons. Perhaps before we throw a grenade (can I say that?) we take a kinder tack and cut some slack.

Aaaanyways....

I fully expect other to fall on  their sword soon enough. This cannot be just on Bolton himself. Still amazed SOS has escaped the heat.

People complain about our president being quite behind the scenes, but after watching the press conference the other week i sure as hell glad we dont have their president Mark LoGiudice running our ship. He's been through 3 sacked  coaches, and still delusional to the point where he feels like hes doing a fine job and it was all on the coach. His stubbornness to take any form of responsibility is quite pathetic. 

Go on Carlton bigfootg and you will see the supporters share the same concern.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Aaaanyways....

I fully expect other to fall on  their sword soon enough. This cannot be just on Bolton himself. Still amazed SOS has escaped the heat.

People complain about our president being quite behind the scenes, but after watching the press conference the other week i sure as hell glad we dont have their president Mark LoGiudice running our ship. He's been through 3 sacked  coaches, and still delusional to the point where he feels like hes doing a fine job and it was all on the coach. His stubbornness to take any form of responsibility is quite pathetic. 

Go on Carlton bigfootg and you will see the supporters share the same concern.

Presumably the Carlton members can vote for a change of President. I am quite surprised that there hasn't been much conjecture about a Board putsch, either.

They have a bloke who's not even on the board as far as I know, who likes to pull strings behind the scenes, and is treated as if he is on the board, or a kind of shadow CEO. All power, no responsibility.

3 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

They have a bloke who's not even on the board as far as I know, who likes to pull strings behind the scenes, and is treated as if he is on the board, or a kind of shadow CEO. All power, no responsibility.

Mathieson?

22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mathieson?

Yes, Mathieson

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Yes, Mathieson

And Jeanie Pratt.

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

And Jeanie Pratt.

at least jeanie is on the board

SOS seems to have done alright with the spine, but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel with all the #1 picks they've had, let alone first rounders.

I'm on record as panning SOS' time at GWS for the same reasons. They had all the concessions you could hope for in order to get that club up and running and he made some good calls, but a hell of a lot of misses.

The article I read when Bolton got the sack certainly brought up SOS as being under the microscope too. As should be the case.

Pity Bolton got the sack though, because he was an ordinary coach and I was hoping Carlton would remain pathetic for many seasons to come. This might now hit the re-set button. Surely, they won't go with another newbie. My money's on Ratten. Carlton has the stench of the old boy's club that the MFC had about it, prior to PJ's arrival. I concur with those saying there's more to go here.

39 minutes ago, A F said:

SOS seems to have done alright with the spine, but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel with all the #1 picks they've had, let alone first rounders.

I'm on record as panning SOS' time at GWS for the same reasons. They had all the concessions you could hope for in order to get that club up and running and he made some good calls, but a hell of a lot of misses.

The article I read when Bolton got the sack certainly brought up SOS as being under the microscope too. As should be the case.

Pity Bolton got the sack though, because he was an ordinary coach and I was hoping Carlton would remain pathetic for many seasons to come. This might now hit the re-set button. Surely, they won't go with another newbie. My money's on Ratten. Carlton has the stench of the old boy's club that the MFC had about it, prior to PJ's arrival. I concur with those saying there's more to go here.

why would ratten want to go back there?

He may not want to, but it depends on whether he still loves the club.

23 hours ago, ManDee said:

Demonland is an interesting cross section of the community. Many here would never communicate with each other in the real world. It is not surprising that from time to time we fail to communicate satisfactorily and more particularly fail to understand another's point of view. I personally am annoyed by things that normally I would walk away from. One of the great things about Demonland is communicating with others with a different point of view. I am sure we have geniuses, idiots, savants, druggies, drunkards and deviates (hello uncle) but we are all Demons. Perhaps before we throw a grenade (can I say that?) we take a kinder tack and cut some slack.

It's funny MD, my view of Demonland is that it's an online version of the "Grumpy Old Men" tv show. Most of us seem to support the dees, although this is still an unproven theory.