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CHANGES: Rd 07 vs Hawthorn

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16 minutes ago, rjay said:

Read my other posts and you will know this is not the case.

May and Lever will make a difference, plus getting some K's into some of the others but we're not good enough this year.

...but there is no use putting games into players who are not ready and to my mind not going to be AFL level players...

I don't see the upside in having a player on the ground who can't carry his weigh and at least offer a contest.

We just don't have the talent at Casey, and the injury list is hurting us.

The only one I would have a good look at is Sparrow and I think his best position will be in defence rather than as a mid.

Time to try him there and give him some games to develop.

yeah look I know where you're coming from, but I just think Spargos main problem is he hasn't got the tank yet for strong repeat efforts. I wouldn't lose faith in him just yet.

interesting thoughts on playing Sparrow as a defender. has he played there in u18s? it could be worth a look either way, as we do need to find some strong half back types to give us some drive out of defence. 

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    12 minutes ago, Demon Dude said:

    interesting thoughts on playing Sparrow as a defender. has he played there in u18s? it could be worth a look either way, as we do need to find some strong half back types to give us some drive out of defence. 

    He has played defence...I would be looking at him as a long term replacement for Nev...

    Strong, has some leg speed and aerial ability.

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    14 hours ago, Brownie said:

    Why not? Smith did ok last week. Keilty deserves a chance and Weid needs to go back to the NFL and learn how to mark a ball.

    Smith and Keilty may well assist the Weeds game, show him how it is done. Playing all three up fwd may be a bonus for us. 

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    13 hours ago, A F said:

    Not sure why we'd bring in Oscar here. Who's his match up and what does he bring to the side that we don't already have with Frost, Hore and Hibberd?

    Given Hawthorn's KPF stocks are pretty thin, I wouldn't be bringing in another defensive tall. I'd be looking at more pace for the likely Hawthorn spread on the G. 

    I'd be looking at Spargo or Sparrow to replace Jack. Spargo is probably the more likely.

     

    Yes, we must counter Whorform's spread, both sides. It is good either fwd or back. An assignment for a Wagner and Sparrow, and others?

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    6 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    Smith and Keilty may well assist the Weeds game, show him how it is done. Playing all three up fwd may be a bonus for us. 

    both similar types - can play a good quarter but have trouble sustaining the effort over a whole game.

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    12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Fair chance Preuss will come straight back in.

    Preuss, with a body well-placed up fwd against Whoreform (and an attitude for careful aggression) may make a difference and certainly, should take one or two defenders to control at each engagement. A good scenario for some speedy smalls at his nearside or feet. Might work with Jeffy's return, and Spargs. I'd also consider both Smith and Keilty up in the vicinity to support the Weed - or the Weed to support them.

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    I note that Goodwin's "buzzword" over the last few weeks has been "connection". He seems to be saying that he's happy with the effort but with so many new players and perhaps a new game plan forced by the 6-6-6 rule change, the players haven't yet worked out how to play together. If it's "connection" that Goodwin is looking for, then keeping the group as stable as possible would seem to make sense, making changes only when the injured best-22 become available. 

    I can never work out whether Weideman is in the wrong spot or whether we deliver the ball poorly to him. Either way, I'd like to see him continue in the firsts where the problem - that lack of connection - can be resolved.

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    I don't have a problem with Weideman being out form, it's the way he's playing, wouldn't lead at the ball carrier, wouldn't push up to provide an outlet for teammates coming out of defence and don't mention what continually running under the ball may be a symptom of. Always just seemed to be hanging around the forward 50 arc not getting involved. Needs a rocket.

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    45 minutes ago, loges said:

    I don't have a problem with Weideman being out form, it's the way he's playing, wouldn't lead at the ball carrier, wouldn't push up to provide an outlet for teammates coming out of defence and don't mention what continually running under the ball may be a symptom of. Always just seemed to be hanging around the forward 50 arc not getting involved. Needs a rocket.

    Surely running under the ball is the fault of the person kicking to him, isn't it? 

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    14 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Surely running under the ball is the fault of the person kicking to him, isn't it? 

    Ir is a balance thing. Leading directs the kick - to space but that kick must also be read accurately to continue the 'connection'. It takes practice; firstly, to be seen by the ball deliverer and secondly, to know more about that feeder's kicking styles, distances of possible kicks to receive and the identification of the spatial requirements to take an effective possession/mark. It is also a perfect training drill involving all forwards and the midfielders - obviously (but not confirmed) - left largely unpractised at MFC training. Knockout feeds produce knockout goals. 

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    Running under the ball is the fault of the person kicking it to him, ON A LEAD. There really isnt much evidence for this one way or the other. He doesnt lead that way and the forwards are not looking for it. Wingards fantastic kick to a forward in expectation that he would swivel and lead up was one of the smartest pieces of footy Ive seen this year. Brilliant. Standing under a bomb coming from 5 floors up is not a great strategy unless you are relying on paying the man in front.

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    25 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Surely running under the ball is the fault of the person kicking to him, isn't it? 

    i think its all timing and a a good forward coach could teach him this. With all due respect to our fwd line coach im not sure they were a key position player ironically maybe not even a forward.

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    I agree with the last 3 posters, but i also think that Weid isn't reading the poor kicks well enough. And when the kick is poor (most of the time), we want to see an effort to at least make it a contest with the man who was pretty much hugging him to taking an uncontested mark as he read the poor kick better. I think that's the problem (Vlaustin - however it's spelt, reads the ball so well). Weid needs to improve and make it a 50/50 contest like a lot of the team.

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    1 minute ago, Wunders said:

    I agree with the last 3 posters, but i also think that Weid isn't reading the poor kicks well enough. And when the kick is poor (most of the time), we want to see an effort to at least make it a contest with the man who was pretty much hugging him to taking an uncontested mark as he read the poor kick better. I think that's the problem (Vlaustin - however it's spelt, reads the ball so well). Weid needs to improve and make it a 50/50 contest like a lot of the team.

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    At some point we need continuity. There's no point dropping 5 each week if when you look at every player individually, 75% of them wouldn't have held a spot last year at their current output. Singling out certain players and replacing them with underdone or unproven VFL players gives us nothing, short term and long term. 

    Some people want blood each week, and I get that, but you can't pour from an empty cup. We already have most of our depth players featuring regularly this year due to injuries and what not. 

    Our problem is fundamental across the whole playing group right now, and as a group they need to find a way out of this mess. Random appearances by middle tier Casey players will not help the group heal and move forward. 

    No changes except injuries. 

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    Tony has attended the last two games and won't be wasting his time this week, even though down in Victoria, so:

    Out: Tony

    In: Don't care!

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    I wonder if Tony ever played on Billy Picken.

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    Steven May now out for 11 weeks, Certainly got our value there!

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    17 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Steven May now out for 11 weeks, Certainly got our value there!

    2019 is effectively now over for him, not that it ever started. 

    Get him right for 2020 so we can see if we bought anything or are we just contributing to his Super fund.

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    26 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Steven May now out for 11 weeks, Certainly got our value there!

    What a nightmare, classic Melbourne. But they have to get him right, time for others to cement / forge a career. 

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    51 minutes ago, picket fence said:

    Steven May now out for 11 weeks, Certainly got our value there!

    Where'd you get this info from, Tom?

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    5 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Weid should stick it out.... there is really nobody else in s forward structure for the long term, not smith or keilty. Maybe a working through a tough spell will make him a better footballer. Time will tell.

    Thats true, as well,  'Ugtbk'.

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