1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

Waiting for Gandalf and Bilbo to set out on an adventure

Is it the bright lights? They look a bit wide-eyed!! Maybe Pie-eyed.

27 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I feel like this has all been discussed before to death. 

When has that ever had any effect on the commentary?

Did you know Scully left us for the Giants after publicly stating he was enjoying his time getting flogged every week at Melbourne?

Howe was offered unders by Collingwood (the club he grew up supporting) for around $300k at the time. He took it on the premise that he would play a forward role as he hated playing in the backline for Melbourne. Halfway through his first season  Howe is played in the backline for the Pies and it's a revelation to the Media. 

Dunn was going through a lot of personal troubles at the time and that was affecting his decision making on the field and in training. He left because he didn't agree with Roos strategies in Defence and felt like he wasn't given the freedom to take the game on. Dunn pushed the limits of Roos mantra and was given the boot. 

Congrats to them both on their achievements. Well deserved. 

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I can understand Dunn, he was our vice captain at one stage.

But Howe?! Good lord the guy is a full on simpleton bogan who i put in the same category as James Frawley as not much going up stairs.

Perfect fit for Magpies leadership.  

2 hours ago, sisso said:

He is a good player and I always thought we'd miss his intercept marking in the backline (he was never consistent enough as a forward). When Lever comes back fully fit we have his equivalent anyway. 

Seriously?   Dunn equivalent to Lever?

I am glad that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Have a lot of time for Dunn and he is a former Vice Captain of the MFC.  Fell out of favour with the club, but played his best for us when we were at our worst; I respect him for that.  We pushed Dunn out the door, and who knows, maybe that was the best thing for him at the time.

Howe wanted out for a long time before he left.  He didn't have the fight in him anymore and couldn't see a way out of where the club was at the time.  Dunn and Howe shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.

Agree. Dunn is one my favorite dees. He was traded because he didn't play the zone well enough. 

And it has to be said that Howe provided some great highlight at a time when any joy was in seriously short supply.

Howe left Melbourne because he was promised more time in the forward line.....oh wait....

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree. Dunn is one my favorite dees. He was traded because he didn't play the zone well enough. 

And it has to be said that Howe provided some great highlight at a time when any joy was in seriously short supply.

Refused to follow coach's instructions time and again.... like that fateful day against Richmond when Jordan McMahon kicked the winning goal after the siren....Always thought he knew better..And the torp against St Kilda at Etihad probably signed his papers as I am not sure he ever played after that..

Am I mistaken in my impression that at this time four of back six could, in a good personal season, realistically contend for All-Australian selection?

May, Lever, Jetta, Hibberd.

Not exactly a leadership vacuum either.

I really don't see any value to getting crabby that a couple of our 'outs' are doing well, given the tranformation achieved by the great reshuffle of recent seasons.

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Perfect fit for Magpies leadership.  

Seriously?   Dunn equivalent to Lever?

I am glad that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  

Talking about Howe...

Who's the fat little guy in the photo? (Second from the right.)

Edited March 18, 20196 yr by bingers

9 minutes ago, bingers said:

Who's the fat little guy in the photo? (Second from the right.)

Taylor Adams.

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Refused to follow coach's instructions time and again.... like that fateful day against Richmond when Jordan McMahon kicked the winning goal after the siren....Always thought he knew better..And the torp against St Kilda at Etihad probably signed his papers as I am not sure he ever played after that..

Not unfair comments. I thought of saying he refused to play the zone because he was ok at intercepting.

And I reckon you're right about that torp. Shocking decision that felt like a protest on his part. And I don't think he did play for us again. 

good luck to both of them. 

the trades were a win win win, player and both clubs. I have no doubt we made the right decision for our club and the pies likewise.

Different strokes for different folks. 

it shows that with a change of club players can make turn their careers around, no doubt the careers of both have been enhanced.

it also shows how good ordinary players can look a whole better in a good side with lots of support from a critical mass of top players.. 

 

Howe is no leader. That laughable he is in their LG

speaks to their lack of leaders down back. 

the worst back line of the top 8

4 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I feel like this has all been discussed before to death. 

Resurrected again. After all, it's nearly Easter...

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I can understand Dunn, he was our vice captain at one stage.

But Howe?! Good lord the guy is a full on simpleton bogan who i put in the same category as James Frawley as not much going up stairs.

Sheeit Dazzle agreeing with you a second time tonight....

Yep Lynden Dunn is a deep thinker and passionate person and can play a bit

Howe.. Just one of the boys!

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Am I mistaken in my impression that at this time four of back six could, in a good personal season, realistically contend for All-Australian selection?

May, Lever, Jetta, Hibberd.

Not exactly a leadership vacuum either.

I really don't see any value to getting crabby that a couple of our 'outs' are doing well, given the tranformation achieved by the great reshuffle of recent seasons.

Lever?

You talking about ‘on paper’ and in theory?    He is so far from AA it ain’t funny.

 

Easy exercise for you to show the fab-four as if they are 4 aces. But what was the cost?  Time will tell, as I said at the time, that Adelaide will ultimately win from the deal...easily.  Freo showed us the way to deal (Hogan); whereas we blinked like a nervous teenager with Lever.

Fact is either:

Melbourne got them wrong.

Collingwood are getting it wrong.

Or, their leadership credentials have grown exponentially since they left.

 

 

Less confusion now.

4 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Absolute crap.  Dunn wasn't perfect but a mile ahead of Frost or Oscar even now 3 years later. Absolutely stupid decision to let him go & probably the worst one Roos made (along with being talked out of recruiting Higgins who went to North instead).  

Point is that surely Dunn would have been retained if anyone had any idea that TMac was a forward AND if he elected not to kick a torp from fullback.  Is there a YouTube clip of his famous torp?

 

 

9 hours ago, TGR said:

Dunn and Howe make Collingwood’s leadership 5.

We apparently lacked leadership and an AA and sought the superannuant.

Did we get rid of Dunn because of the torp kickin from full back?

 

I’m confused.

 

 

 

Culture.  tgr.

To move an old ingrained culture, to change it, many old leaders and senior players have to go, for the change to happen.  For them to pickup their pieces and rise again, is a credit to them.

But we did what was needed, to make the changes happen.

 

And now I think very few people would be upset with our new growing culture.. and mindset.  The fabric is totally different since those days.

7 hours ago, 58er said:

Roos actually played him on back flank and Buckley and his Msnager Alec McDonakd I think said he was A 2 way runner!!

Events have shown Roosy was  correct and Jeremy has got his wish to play with Pies 

He was not very forthcoming in his desire to leave us snd I thought he did it a bit by stealth!

My recollection is we were trying to push him out the door to get the picks we used on Oliver and Weideman

We now have a team that is likely to hit the golden 50-80 games simultaneously- this of course is a result of recruiting and assembling a team - of which - a few trades were required. Dunn and Howe were great players for the Dees, but the model for a successful, and sustainable future, required something different. I know I’ll get burnt for this but good on them, we’ll meet them again in the Granny this year so leave it till then to decide...

Hawthorn does the Kokoda trail to build up leadership qualities. Collingwood just recruits those who survived the MFC pre-2014. Much smarter from a logistics perspective.

5 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

We now have a team that is likely to hit the golden 50-80 games simultaneously- this of course is a result of recruiting and assembling a team - of which - a few trades were required. Dunn and Howe were great players for the Dees, but the model for a successful, and sustainable future, required something different. I know I’ll get burnt for this but good on them, we’ll meet them again in the Granny this year so leave it till then to decide...

That's a really good point. They knew our premiership window was likely to be 2019 - 2022 and have done a terrific job at creating a list that is predominately 70 -100, which history shows is the recipe for premiership success. A factor is that you don't have too many retirements of key players and in a year or so Dunn and to lesser extent Howe will be coming to the end of the road, whereas players like Frost and OMac will be hitting their peak.

20 hours ago, Demonland said:

"Tay" always reminds me of the brother in 50 First Dates, the one on the 'roids.

 

 

Edited March 19, 20196 yr by The Chazz