8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yet he's listed as 3 to 4 weeks away on the MFC website.. 

Who the [censored] runs the MFC website these day's..

According to https://www.melbournefc.com.au/club/people/staff-members, Ryan Larkin is the Department GM for Marketing, Communications and Digital and there would be a team below him who do most of the work.  If you have a grievance, the list is there for all to see.  Caitlin Nobes and Ben Gibson seem the most active in terms of the content on the Website.

Edited July 18, 20195 yr by DemonWorshipper

3-4 weeks away from MFC playing is consistent with what he is saying - two weeks away from resuming at vfl for a half and then 1-2 weeks away from afl

I'm about 3-4 weeks away from checking myself in for psychotherapy where i'll spend ............ 3-4 weeks. That should see out the footy season.

 

If St Kilda get a priority pick for injuries:

https://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-18/st-kilda-to-consider-asking-afl-for-priority-draft-pick

...then I hope we are asking the question too, if only to ensure the AFL realize how absurd it would be to give a priority pick for that. 

 

I like how they stated cautious approach, what were they doing for the other foot injuries?

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by david_neitz_is_my_dad
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On 7/12/2019 at 12:10 PM, Redleg said:

Melksham getting close to missing the rest of the season.

I wonder how many clubs have lost 4 players for an entire season, before it even started and then several others who end up missing most of the season after playing a game or two?

kero wilson claims we are exaggerating injuries and other clubs have had it worse than us this year

i'd like to see an updated games-lost-this-year-to-best-22 (make it best 25 to make choice easier)

5 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

I like how they stated cautious approach, what were they doing for the other foot injuries?

Possibly not enough:

“This has probably been a little bit longer than we’d planned as well, but with your feet, we know through Jack Viney and Aaron vandenBerg and a few others … you don’t want to muck around with them too much,” Melksham said.

I guess 'a few others' include Trengove and Clarke.

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

kero wilson claims we are exaggerating injuries and other clubs have had it worse than us this year

i'd like to see an updated games-lost-this-year-to-best-22 (make it best 25 to make choice easier)

Without counting the games others have had it pretty bad (for long term injury absences ie > 3 weeks):

Richmond:  Cotchin, Rance, Reiwoldt, Nankervis (ie their spine) missing for most of the season.  Houli, Astbury, Vlaustin (most of their backline) out for a fair chunk early in the season.

St Kilda:  Geary, McCartin, Hannebury, Stevens, Longer, Roberton, Carlisle mostly didn't have a preseason or out most of the year and all but Carlisle are still out.

The above players would be in their respective best 10.  So not much different to our best 10 absentees of > 3 weeks:   May, Lever, Melksham, Jetta, Hannan, Lewis.

Collingwood have also had a few significant outs.

The difference between those teams and us is they are not bleating about it. 

I don't agree with Caro that we are exaggerating them but it suits our narrative to use 'preseason/injuries' to answer any questions about poor form.  Like us fans, the media know a lot of other things aren't working and so have stopped buying this narrative that the club is trying to sell. 

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Without counting the games others have had it pretty bad (for long term injury absences ie > 3 weeks):

Richmond:  Cotchin, Rance, Reiwoldt, Nankervis (ie their spine) missing for most of the season.  Houli, Astbury, Vlaustin (most of their backline) out for a fair chunk early in the season.

St Kilda:  Geary, McCartin, Hannebury, Stevens, Longer, Roberton, Carlisle mostly didn't have a preseason or out most of the year and all but Carlisle are still out.

The above players would be in their respective best 10.  So not much different to our best 10 absentees of > 3 weeks:   May, Lever, Melksham, Jetta, Hannan, Lewis.

Collingwood have also had a few significant outs.

The difference between those teams and us is they are not bleating about it. 

I don't agree with Caro that we are exaggerating them but it suits our narrative to use 'preseason/injuries' to answer any questions about poor form.  Like us fans, the media know a lot of other things aren't working and so have stopped buying this narrative that the club is trying to sell. 

i agree quite a few teams have been hit by injuries. in fact i'd like to see year by year stats for the whole competition as i get the feeling that this year has been a shocker for injuries and missed games for the afl. it got me thinking if the rule changes/interpretations plus the defensive game plans of coaches, coupled with the rotation and more fatigue is contributing to a growing toll of injuries, and a more unattractive game......and of course the bias towards athleticism and physical conditioning at the expense of skills and natural flair....... many are saying carlton and norf are doing better with caretaker coaches as they are being given more freedom to players to play to their natural individual skills and football instincts

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by daisycutter

It's too simplistic to just add up total missed weeks.  There are many other factors, such as depth available, nature of missing personnel, timing of injuries (eg early in season resulting losses can lead to loss of confidence and a downward spiral).   

 Not that that is a complete explanation/excuse for where we are, but it seems every second match we'd lose 2-3 players with no one of note to replace them and endlessly fielding teams with players who haven't played together or entire lines missing best 22.   I haven't followed other teams injuries as closely, but I can't recall a worse run for us than we have had this year. Perhaps others can.

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Without counting the games others have had it pretty bad (for long term injury absences ie > 3 weeks):

Richmond:  Cotchin, Rance, Reiwoldt, Nankervis (ie their spine) missing for most of the season.  Houli, Astbury, Vlaustin (most of their backline) out for a fair chunk early in the season.

St Kilda:  Geary, McCartin, Hannebury, Stevens, Longer, Roberton, Carlisle mostly didn't have a preseason or out most of the year and all but Carlisle are still out.

The above players would be in their respective best 10.  So not much different to our best 10 absentees of > 3 weeks:   May, Lever, Melksham, Jetta, Hannan, Lewis.

Collingwood have also had a few significant outs.

The difference between those teams and us is they are not bleating about it. 

I don't agree with Caro that we are exaggerating them but it suits our narrative to use 'preseason/injuries' to answer any questions about poor form.  Like us fans, the media know a lot of other things aren't working and so have stopped buying this narrative that the club is trying to sell. 

The lack of pre-season due to surgery and injury set us back. The injuries during the year killed us.

We will never know but we may have been able to deal with one but we and no other team could have a good year with both.

To compare other teams injury list without including pre-season is ignorant.

Rather than start another thread. 

 

The Norm Smith curse goes west!

Fremantle are privately blaming Dave Misson.

47 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Rather than start another thread. 

 

Poor Jesse

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

kero wilson claims we are exaggerating injuries and other clubs have had it worse than us this year

i'd like to see an updated games-lost-this-year-to-best-22 (make it best 25 to make choice easier)

Yes DC I watched Footy Classified where she labelled our injury excuses pathetic, although I don’t know that the club has officially been claiming that as the main issue, others in the media have but there was the Misson injury analysis given to the board that got out I suppose. But then Caro just 10 minutes later was defending the GWS’s drop off in performance listing their injuries over the past 3 years! I mean injuries do make a difference and if any team could cover injuries it should be GWS with their extensive list of high draft picks, surely. Injuries don’t fully explain our fall from grace but they are part of the equation and I was not aware of Goodwin going on and on about them. 

2 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes DC I watched Footy Classified where she labelled our injury excuses pathetic, although I don’t know that the club has officially been claiming that as the main issue, others in the media have but there was the Misson injury analysis given to the board that got out I suppose. But then Caro just 10 minutes later was defending the GWS’s drop off in performance listing their injuries over the past 3 years! I mean injuries do make a difference and if any team could cover injuries it should be GWS with their extensive list of high draft picks, surely. Injuries don’t fully explain our fall from grace but they are part of the equation and I was not aware of Goodwin going on and on about them. 

I agree - Goodwin hasn't been going on and on about them.  The media might be, and the fans (like myself) will bring it up as part of the explanation for the season we're having, but I don't think the club has made a big deal out of it at all.  I think Goodwin plays a pretty straight bat about it.

The fact is that we've had off season surgeries and numerous injuries at different times to deal with.  We need to learn to handle it better, but the fact is that we've had a large number of them and it's tough to overcome.

It isn't just Goodwin talking about 'the preseason'.  Listen to the Mahoney and Bartlett interviews of recent weeks.

Goodwin's references to 'the preseason' are now less direct  eg in this weeks press conf he said something like:  the reason (for why we are where we are) is well documented and we are addressing those reasons.   That sounds like 'the preseason'/injuries reason.

Not too long ago Viney said something about preseason problems 'but they aren't an excuse'.

i think these comments are valid but I use them to illustrate the club, as a whole, is still talking 'the preseason'/injuries.  I do not think we are exaggerating the preseason/injury problem but it may sound like we are if our senior people keep talking about it.

Other clubs in as bad a predicament as us:  Richmond (key injuries to top 10 players) and St Kilda (key injuries to top 10 players in the preseason who have barely played this year) haven't been playing 'the preseason' or 'the injury' card. 

I just think the club as a whole needs to stop talking or referring to 'the preseason' or injuries.  Move on.  Not all journo's are dumb.  They know that 'the preseason/injuries' are only part of the problem.  So far they haven't used the blowtorch to dig deeper.  It may yet come.

Edited July 20, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

AVB is listed as TEST. 

Would be awesome to see him play the last couple of games.

 

Pleasing to hear that Melksham might be back next week for the Richmond game.

57 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

AVB is listed as TEST. 

Would be awesome to see him play the last couple of games.

 

why does my MFCSS automatically add the rider.... just in time for next year's injury

What’s the go with KK? Has been TBC for ages and haven’t been mentioned recently. Is he done? 

On 7/19/2019 at 6:58 PM, Wrecker45 said:

The lack of pre-season due to surgery and injury set us back. The injuries during the year killed us.

We will never know but we may have been able to deal with one but we and no other team could have a good year with both.

To compare other teams injury list without including pre-season is ignorant.

I simply don't understand why people (fans, media people and a high proportion of dl posters) can't understand that simple fact.

Leaving aside that it is well documented having a high percentage of your list completing a high percentage of preseason sessions is critical to having a successful year it is plain as day we are strugglong to run out quarters ans games.